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I love my JVC RS-20. But, it's almost time to replace the bulb again and I'm getting that itch. You know what I mean? Do I test the waters? I've been reading up on the Epson 5030UB and the Sony VPL-HW50ES . I'm curious if either of those projectors is significantly better than the one I have. Has technology alone advanced enough to warranty the upgrade at that price point? Anybody else upgrade recently from the JVC RS-20?
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While not upgraded from a JVC - I did an upgrade from a Sony Pearl (1080p projector from 2007) to the Sony HW50 just about a month ago. The difference is just amazing - its like I was living in as a cave man and walked out onto times square. The brightness, blacks and overall technology has improved by leaps and bounds. The 3D is ok - not my driver or cup of tea that much (yet) but the 2D material is a wow. I chose the HW50 vs. the 55 just based on the price differential.

I sat on the fence last year on the same decision while changing a bulb and think i sat too long.

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At the time of purchase, the JVC RS-20 was easily a higher end projector compared to the Panasonic and Epson LCD projectors available. My feeling is that the current Epson or Sony is technically superior to my older JVC.
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I upgraded from an RS2 clone to a JVC-RS45 and I thought this was a significant upgrade. Sharper pic, brighter colors, frame interpolation, better motion. Mediocre 3D.

I then upgraded from the RS-45 to the Sony HW50ES. I also think this was a nice upgrade as well. Sharper pic using Sony's Reality Creation (software), but natively the JVC is likely a little sharper. I use frame interpolation and the FI on the Sony is a bit better with less artifacts that on the RS-45 that I had. The pic is a bit brighter as well. None of my projectors were calibrated and out of the box the Sony looks significantly better than the two in this regards. It also has fairly good 3D. On the downside the black levels on the JVC are a little better but IMO it's worth the trade off (and I am picky in this area).
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I love my JVC RS-20. But, it's almost time to replace the bulb again and I'm getting that itch. You know what I mean? Do I test the waters? I've been reading up on the Epson 5030UB and the Sony VPL-HW50ES . I'm curious if either of those projectors is significantly better than the one I have. Has technology alone advanced enough to warranty the upgrade at that price point? Anybody else upgrade recently from the JVC RS-20?
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I love my JVC RS-20. But, it's almost time to replace the bulb again and I'm getting that itch. You know what I mean? Do I test the waters? I've been reading up on the Epson 5030UB and the Sony VPL-HW50ES . I'm curious if either of those projectors is significantly better than the one I have. Has technology alone advanced enough to warranty the upgrade at that price point? Anybody else upgrade recently from the JVC RS-20?

I am with you. My X3 is listed in the classified and new lamp will be needed soon as I reached 2k hours a few weeks ago. Contemplating going with Epson 6030 or Sony 55ES. Tired of JVC and their lamp issues.

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Let us know what you decide and pricing.
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After talking to Mike at AV Science this morning, I'm now contemplating the new JVC models.
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Tired of JVC and their lamp issues.

Just FYI, as of the line of projectors that came out one year ago, the JVC lamps are arguably the best out there right now.
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Just FYI, as of the line of projectors that came out one year ago, the JVC lamps are arguably the best out there right now.

Thanks for the information but I am ready to move on to a Sony Or Epson project

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Originally Posted by Mr Ian B View Post


Tired of JVC and their lamp issues.

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Just FYI, as of the line of projectors that came out one year ago, the JVC lamps are arguably the best out there right now.


No kidding. That was so…..like 2 years ago biggrin.gif

RS20 to a new model >>>>>> eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif
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But it's generally thought that the JVC is better than the Sony, right?
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But it's generally thought that the JVC is better than the Sony, right?

Things have changed. That answer depends on the individual's taste and most importantly the models you are comparing.
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I've been reading all the posts on the New JVC's and the Epson 5030. At this point, I'm leaning toward the Sony HW55ES. However, I don't feel rushed to make a final decision. I have a couple hundred hours left on this bulb on my JVC RS-20. That gives me a little more time to read up on AVS forums and make a more informed decision.
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How many hours on your RS-20? (Mine failed at 2600 hours)
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Mine is showing 2,009 last night.

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I changed bulbs at 1300 hours the first time. Now I have 1750 hours on my current bulb. No failures.
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One thought I had was to go with the Epson 5030 as a "stop gap" projector until true 4K projectors become more affordable. It would be more affordable than the Sony or JVC. It may not perform as well, but is likely an improvement over my RS 20.
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I use frame interpolation and the FI on the Sony is a bit better with less artifacts that on the RS-45 that I had. The pic is a bit brighter as well. None of my projectors were calibrated and out of the box the Sony looks significantly better than the two in this regards.

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I just spent some time at a local custom home theater store. I had the chance to see a few different projectors. I also got to see the new Sony 4K projectors. I am now convinced that I should buy a new bulb for my current projector and wait for affordable 4K options.
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I just spent some time at a local custom home theater store. I had the chance to see a few different projectors. I also got to see the new Sony 4K projectors. I am now convinced that I should buy a new bulb for my current projector and wait for affordable 4K options.

That could be quite a wait, depending on what you consider " affordable ". Too bad my future predicting crystal ball is broken.........

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Not to mention, how long will we see 4k content. I jumped in on Blu-Ray/HD-DVD early and content was slim for quite some time. This time around I don't feel the need to jump in on 4k right away just to see a handful of movies look better. I'll eventually jump in just not right away.
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Not to mention, how long will we see 4k content. I jumped in on Blu-Ray/HD-DVD early and content was slim for quite some time. This time around I don't feel the need to jump in on 4k right away just to see a handful of movies look better. I'll eventually jump in just not right away.

Same here. That said, if I was in the market for a top end projector, I would have no problem using a VW1100 or VW600 to watch Blu Rays. And eventually I'll have a 4K projector whether there are 4K Blu Rays or not.

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I just spent some time at a local custom home theater store. I had the chance to see a few different projectors. I also got to see the new Sony 4K projectors. I am now convinced that I should buy a new bulb for my current projector and wait for affordable 4K options.

That is exactly what I did.. Just recently I bought a new bulb for my HD 750 (RS-20) and replaced the original. It looks like a brand new projector again. Also be sure to thoroughly clean the prism block when you replace the bulb.
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It's clear that 4K is the next step; especially following the CES coverage this week. I don't think 4K Blu Ray is that far away either. Until then, "upconverting" of 1080p content to 4K may have some appreciable benefits. It wasn't too long ago that we all bought "upconverting" DVD players to upscale 480i content to 720p or 1080i.
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As for what's affordable? I spent time viewing the Sony 600ES and 1100ES and came away impressed with what it did with 1080p content as well as true 4K content. However, $15,000.00 or $28,000.00 are not affordable to the average consumer. I imagine Epson, JVC, or Sony will make quality 4K projectors is the $3,000-$5,000.00 range by this time next year. I can wait a year or two. A new bulb will help me wait. It doesn't make sense for me to spend $4,000-$5,000.00 today when I think of what's likely on the horizon in the next year.
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I imagine Epson, JVC, or Sony will make quality 4K projectors is the $3,000-$5,000.00 range by this time next year

I'll bet you a beer that those price levels for true 4K projectors won't be seen for 2 - 4 years. And by then - guess what - there will be 8K projectors creeping into the top end ! HA! In fact, I've already heard rumors. wink.gif
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I too have a RS20/HD750 with a RS35 light engine, done less than 1000hrs, very happy with the image quality, with quality encodes. Hoping the laser/phosphor wheel light source and true 4K will be introduced by JVC late this year or next year, fan of high native CR and good black levels!.......and 4K BluRay is available by then too.

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I too have a RS20/HD750 with a RS35 light engine, done less than 1000hrs, very happy with the image quality, with quality encodes. Hoping the laser/phosphor wheel light source and true 4K will be introduced by JVC late this year or next year, fan of high native CR and good black levels!.......and 4K BluRay is available by then too.

You used a lamp from the RS35 on your RS20?
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You used a lamp from the RS35 on your RS20?

No same lamp, the original light engine on the RS20/HD750 failed within the warranty period, I was lucky and scored a RS35 light engine replacement , so essentially a RS35, in a RS20 shell.

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My two cents... I'd still be watching our RS-20 if it hadn't developed the "pink line" issue (at around 2900 hours which represented around 4 years of use)... given that I couldn't live with the pink line (or zooming out to hide it) I went ahead and ordered an RS-56 from AVS... Had it for a year now and it has brighter picture and I lucked into a good one from the convergence, focus, etc. standpoint. I don't see myself replacing the lamp as often as I did with the 20... 600+ hours so far and it is still brighter than the RS-20 was with a new lamp. But even with all the goodness of the RS-56 I still would be using the RS-20 if it hadn't developed the issue (in other words the 56 wasn't a significant enough upgrade in picture quality to justify the money spent). Barring another failure I plan to keep the RS-56 quite a while until reasonably priced 4k projectors become the norm.
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