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http://www.projectorcentral.com/top-3d-projectors.htm

Have a look at this link and a couple of other low cost options suggested in earlier posts as well like the Sharp XV-Z30000 . All depends on your screen size, theater design ( light control), content being viewed, gaming etc. Lots out there just need
to narrow down the requirements.

Thanks for great link. I looked at the info and I kind of like Epson EH-TW9200 and Sony HW55ES out of the many reviewed their. However, I am worried about the 3D crosstalk issue in Sony HW55ES. Here is how my room and screen looks like:
It is a dedicated HT room with dark wall colors and complete light control. Projector is ceiling mounted. My current projector is dead and I need a replacement soon. I mostly watch movies and TV on it. Not a big gamer at all.
However, I would like to keep and use my current 123 inch (diagonal) FireHawk Stewart Film Screen with 1.1 gain. I am sitting 14 feet away from the screen.
Which one of these two would work better in this situation? Is there any other better choice than these?
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The Mitsubishi HC8000 is a really good projector. I got mines for $1600 with a free bulb and its rated at 5000 hours. The picture quality is really good and sharp. The FI is really good. 3D will be dim on that screen but every projector will also. I use a 126in 1.0 gain with mines and its ok for me. The 2D to 3D is really good. The Mitsubishi HC7900 is about $900 but I don't think it comes with a free bulb and it has less contrast.
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The Mitsubishi HC8000 is a really good projector. I got mines for $1600 with a free bulb and its rated at 5000 hours. The picture quality is really good and sharp. The FI is really good. 3D will be dim on that screen but every projector will also. I use a 126in 1.0 gain with mines and its ok for me. The 2D to 3D is really good. The Mitsubishi HC7900 is about $900 but I don't think it comes with a free bulb and it has less contrast.

Thanks for the information. I will check it out. How is 3D crosstalk on HC8000?

BTW, my screen is Fire Hawk with 1.1 gain. I have edited my post above to get it right. Still looking for input on the really bright projectors with good 3D quality.
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I returned Mits HC8000 because W1070 more impressive in 2D, but didnt try 3D unfortunately before returning it.

3D in W1070 is very immersive, more than passive 3D in cinemas. Sharp, clean and zero eye fatigue or headache.I put soundandvision 3D settings almost exactly and I am very satisfied. The only negative thing its a bit dim due to DLP-linked 3D.
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I've had both the Optoma 25-LV and Epson 5030UB.Having been sensitive to crosstalk and coming from the 5020 last year, I decided to try the Optoma and was impressed with it but had issues with flicker and motion blur, so went with the 5030 to try since Zombie raved about it and stated that crosstalks weren't an issue at all. I was very impressed and surpassed my liking easily over the 25-LV.
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I've had both the Optoma 25-LV and Epson 5030UB.Having been sensitive to crosstalk and coming from the 5020 last year, I decided to try the Optoma and was impressed with it but had issues with flicker and motion blur, so went with the 5030 to try since Zombie raved about it and stated that crosstalks weren't an issue at all. I was very impressed and surpassed my liking easily over the 25-LV.

How is Epson 5030UB with noise at low and hi settings? I heard it is noisy.
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I returned Mits HC8000 because W1070 more impressive in 2D, but didnt try 3D unfortunately before returning it.

3D in W1070 is very immersive, more than passive 3D in cinemas. Sharp, clean and zero eye fatigue or headache.I put soundandvision 3D settings almost exactly and I am very satisfied. The only negative thing its a bit dim due to DLP-linked 3D.

Good to know that W1070 is immersive in 3D. I am not sure if you had a chance to compare W1070 in comparison to Epson 5030UB or Sony VPL-HW55ES Projector in 3D?
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For front projection? I understand that flat panels could do this, but I'm not sure how front projection would provide different images to places a few inches apart without glasses even if they had 8K. Maybe I'm missing something about techniques they have though. If They could do it, would it require a special screen?

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Thanks for the information. I will check it out. How is 3D crosstalk on HC8000?

BTW, my screen is Fire Hawk with 1.1 gain. I have edited my post above to get it right. Still looking for input on the really bright projectors with good 3D quality.

Its perfect on the crosstalk since its a DLP. The Mit HC8000 is much better in 2D and 3D than the W1070 and W7000.
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Alternating fields...4K in one, 4K in the other...no special screen required that I know of...
I still don't see how it would make your left eye see one image and your right eye see the other without glasses. A flat panel can projector different images to different places in the room, but without a special screen I don't see how a front projector could do that.

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I can only speculate...probably some sort of interlace system with a very fast switching speed...or you may be right about a special coating on the screen...maybe a rippled surface? Time will tell. But you have to know that the commercial theaters are jonesing for a glasses free solution that will command a premium ticket price.
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How is Epson 5030UB with noise at low and hi settings? I heard it is noisy.

I have a 7.3 audio set up at around 80 decibels for standard volume and the noise is never a factor for me and my audience...lol
I have the PJ right around 2-3 ft above me.
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I have a 7.3 audio set up at around 80 decibels for standard volume and the noise is never a factor for me and my audience...lol
I have the PJ right around 2-3 ft above me.

This is good to know. I am thinking of buying Epson 5030UBe because wireless connection will eliminate the need to pull new HDMI wire in the ceiling. I only have component cable there at this time.
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Excellent website for reviews. Lots of good info.
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Art should have gotten Benq W7500 according to his blog. A french guy in cinetson.org compared it to Optoma HD8300 that uses IR/RF 3D and preferred W7500 3D DLP-linked. He used hi-shock glasses ( also branded as Optoma ZD302 and 3DTV corp 4th Gen ) which is said to be the best to block red flash and provide best contrast. He also has Sony HW50.
If someone still interested in a DLP projector with IR/RF 3D, HD8300 is now only 1500$ on ebay and brighter than Sharp Z30000.
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King of 3D? Well, right now the Mits 7900/8000 is at the top of my list. I now have the Mits set up with the 2.8 gain HP screen (just shy of 120") in low lamp mode and it is showing the best 3D I've seen yet. I spent some time getting the projector set up to produce the brightest image I could with the HP and it has paid off. The Mit's CFI in 3D is excellent and its 2D to 3D conversion is the best I've seen so far and the only one I've seen that's worth using. I'm now watching everything in 3D. The 7900, which is selling for $800 without glasses and emitter and $950 with glasses and emitter is, IMO, the best 3D buy out there. The PS3 3D glasses, which are now selling for $9.95 ea. work great with this projector. The 7900/8000 with the HP screen rocks!

My 3D projectors: Epson 6010, Epson 6020, Mits 8000, Mits 7900, Sharp 30000 and the Acer 5630. Yes, I'm into 3D.
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how did you optimize it for the HP screen due to the high offset? When I had the HC8000, the perceived brightness of the 30K was noticeable higher due to being able to place it at the center of the screen.

The HC8000 also needs a heavy color calibration in 3D. It's easy enough to fix with the glasses behind the meter.

The lack of great contrast on the 30K and HC8000 starts to become apparent when comparing to projectors like the 4910 or VW1000, especially on non-animations.

A real 3D fanatic would have a 3D DLP *and* an LCOS/SXRD to handle the content that doesn't thrive on the relatively low contrast DLP's... biggrin.gifcool.gif


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Art should have gotten Benq W7500 according to his blog. A french guy in cinetson.org compared it to Optoma HD8300 that uses IR/RF 3D and preferred W7500 3D DLP-linked. He used hi-shock glasses ( also branded as Optoma ZD302 and 3DTV corp 4th Gen ) which is said to be the best to block red flash and provide best contrast. He also has Sony HW50.
If someone still interested in a DLP projector with IR/RF 3D, HD8300 is now only 1500$ on ebay and brighter than Sharp Z30000.


Are the Optoma ZD302s the same shape as the Optoma ZD201s? I LOVE my 201s for one big reason.......they are the ONLY 3d glasses I have used where I don't get distracting face reflections in the lenses! They don't sync as well on my 7000 as my TrueDepth and the 3rd gen BenQs I tried (and returned), but the lack of cheek reflections make these my go to glasses so I am curious I f the 302s are the same shape.

I assume the new BenQ 7500 still has CFI in 3d? This feature is a MUST for me at this point in a 3d projector.

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I'm seeing if I can get a hold of the W7500. I'm a bit skeptical of the comments about the glasses / contrast, the red flash raises the black floor no matter how well the glasses 'block' the light. it still translates into less perceived contrast. I wish they offered the RF or IR as an option.

I am glad they did a follow up and hopefully with the DC3 panel + higher CW speed, it will be an improvement over the W7000.

There's only a handful of 'HP friendly' 3D DLP's out there for those looking for max gain on the HP.


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The thing that bothers me most about DLP-link on the 7000 is how crappy the sync is with my 201s. If the 302s can hold a better connection and have the same form factor as the 201s, I would be a very happy camper. cool.gif I need to go check out these glasses.

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how did you optimize it for the HP screen due to the high offset? When I had the HC8000, the perceived brightness of the 30K was noticeable higher due to being able to place it at the center of the screen.

The HC8000 also needs a heavy color calibration in 3D. It's easy enough to fix with the glasses behind the meter.

The lack of great contrast on the 30K and HC8000 starts to become apparent when comparing to projectors like the 4910 or VW1000, especially on non-animations.

A real 3D fanatic would have a 3D DLP *and* an LCOS/SXRD to handle the content that doesn't thrive on the relatively low contrast DLP's... biggrin.gifcool.gif

It took some time but I was able to raise my 120" HP screen closer to the ceiling and then I tried different heights for floor mounting the projector. I kept moving the mount back until I could almost fill the screen and still keep the top of the image within the screen's border. The vertical shift is lowered to the max. When I am sitting the projector is about 10 to 12 inches below eye height and is bright enough that I can leave the projector in low lamp mode for now (will revisit when the lamp starts to age). I find the contrast to be pretty good in 3D and the high inter-scene contrast of the DLPs certainly helps. "G" and other 3D movies look spectacular on the Mits. I've run this film on the Sharp and the Epson 6020 and I prefer the Mits with its CFI. This 3D movie also looks good on the Sharp and both the Mits and Sharp look much better, IMO, than the Epson, which has better contrast (the higher contrast really isn't noticeable in this movie and the subtle background ghosting is annoying -- particularly when the camera pans across high contrast scenes). I would rather watch a good but lower contrast image that is clean than a higher contrast image with smeared or foggy looking backgrounds. My comments only apply to the projectors I actually own.
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I have to agree with Zombie. As much as ghosting and lack of 144hz triple flash sucks on something like the JVCs they aren't horrible at 3D. The newest JVCs only produce a small amount of ghosting. I'm personally not bothered with pulldown artifacts with 3D at 120hz vs 144hz but I find that JVC is using a good pulldown method so it should only bother the pickiest. That's the same for ghosting artifacts. All but the pickiest should find the 3D performance of the recent JVCs more than adequate and not distracting with artifacts. The advantage in contrast in 3D is huge on many of today a films. The cheaper DLPs just can't handle those scenes anywhere near as good as the JVCs.

I have the Mitsubishi HC7900DW here and while the 3D performance is flawless I kept finding myself wanting to go back to the JVC for it's far better handling of contrast. Granted my x90 has more ghosting than the current JVCs I still never found the ghosting that was rarely obviously visable annoying or hurting the experience. As soon as it appears its gone again as you move to another shot or scene. The newer JVCs should fare Mich better though.

I can't believe I'm about to say this, but I think I may be done with DLP forever....

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...The cheaper DLPs just can't handle those scenes anywhere near as good as the JVCs...

This is one reason why I haven't been tempted to get a DLP as a 3D only projector. Sub-par black levels in low APL scenes are probably the biggest flaw I notice the most in displays. When I moved from the RS45 to the Sony HW50 it took me a couple of months before I quit being bothered about the lesser black levels in comparison (even though I preferred the Sony over the JVC for other reasons). For most, the difference is probably small but it was very noticeable to my eyes on my HP 2.4 screen. I'm sure it would drive me crazy even though other areas would probably be a big improvement.
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It just depends on the person and to be fair, I am very picky with ghosting and flicker. On the other hand, I just am not bothered by DLP contrast for 3d in light of ghost and flicker free 3d. Seeing the X75 at Cedia which is the same as the new models for ghosting from comparison reports, I still found it was a disappointing 3d experience due to ghosting mainly. The JVCs are nowhere close to truly ghost free from what I saw and flicker was still noticeable as well. I am hoping to add a 4910 at some point this year for 2d, but my 7000 is going nowhere for it's truly ghost/flicker free 3d which the JVCs can't hang with. Most will probably be OK with the JVCs for 3d, but I would suggest an audition with some challenging material in case you are one of the zero ghosting tolerance folks like me, DejaVu and some other members. Now that I am used to DLP, there is just no going back and compromising with any ghosting or flicker.

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Are the Optoma ZD302s the same shape as the Optoma ZD201s? I LOVE my 201s for one big reason.......they are the ONLY 3d glasses I have used where I don't get distracting face reflections in the lenses! They don't sync as well on my 7000 as my TrueDepth and the 3rd gen BenQs I tried (and returned), but the lack of cheek reflections make these my go to glasses so I am curious I f the 302s are the same shape.

I assume the new BenQ 7500 still has CFI in 3d? This feature is a MUST for me at this point in a 3d projector.

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The thing that bothers me most about DLP-link on the 7000 is how crappy the sync is with my 201s. If the 302s can hold a better connection and have the same form factor as the 201s, I would be a very happy camper. cool.gif I need to go check out these glasses.
my want to check out estar of america dlp link glasses heard lots of good thanks about them wouldnt be seprised to find out there same glasses as new optomas at cheaper price
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my want to check out estar of america dlp link glasses heard lots of good thanks about them wouldnt be seprised to find out there same glasses as new optomas at cheaper price

Thanks! I will look into them.

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