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Lots of very large 4k displays being announced. Wonder how many years it will take to bring them into the 3-7k range that is likely to sweet spot for projector purchases.
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Lots of very large 4k displays being announced. Wonder how many years it will take to bring them into the 3-7k range that is likely to sweet spot for projector purchases.

Lots? Who besides Panasonic? Or are you not referring to projectors? I didn't think CES started until tomorrow.
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It starts on Tuesday. Various press conferences tonight. The show floor opens 10AM PST. Supposedly 4K projector news coming from Panasonic and Epson, Obviously reports will start to trickle in and AVS readers should start to get on floor reports on Tuesday with indepth coming Tuesday evening but perhaps late on the East coast.

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Hi Mark did you watch the live Panasonic press conference today? they announced a new 4K hair dryer that you can use while watching your PJ and it will even moisturise your hair while giving U a blowjob... 😜
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Hi Mark did you watch the live Panasonic press conference today? they announced a new 4K hair dryer that you can use while watching your PJ and it will even moisturise your hair while giving U a blowjob... 😜

Apparently it also simultaneously sucks your bank account dry. Not a chance you'll notice though. biggrin.gif
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Lots? Who besides Panasonic? Or are you not referring to projectors? I didn't think CES started until tomorrow.

I was referring to flat panel displays. LG and Visio have both announced displays above 100 inches and I wonder how many years it will be until the price falls into the range of 3k-7k.
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I was referring to flat panel displays. LG and Visio have both announced displays above 100 inches and I wonder how many years it will be until the price falls into the range of 3k-7k.

For me, a rigid panel that large would be of no use. (especially when front projectors keep getting better and less costly)
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I was referring to flat panel displays. LG and Visio have both announced displays above 100 inches and I wonder how many years it will be until the price falls into the range of 3k-7k.

For me, a rigid panel that large would be of no use. (especially when front projectors keep getting better and less costly)


I'm not sure I could get a 120" flat panel ( if I could afford one ) into my theater room - I'd imagine that would be a heavy beast !

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For me, a rigid panel that large would be of no use. (especially when front projectors keep getting better and less costly)

You mean you don't see any value in watching video or movies with ambient light in the room? For now projectors are the only way to a large and reasonably priced picture. Over time that will change, I wonder how long it will take. I am guessing 5-7 more years and you will see most installations going flat panel except for very large, say 120 and over screens. And as others point out, the weight will need to come down and the price.
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You mean you don't see any value in watching video or movies with ambient light in the room? For now projectors are the only way to a large and reasonably priced picture. Over time that will change, I wonder how long it will take. I am guessing 5-7 more years and you will see most installations going flat panel except for very large, say 120 and over screens. And as others point out, the weight will need to come down and the price.

The 105" scope screen in my dedicated HT is for mainly watching movies. The room is totally light controlled, however I can open the blackout drapes or turn on lighting if desired. (Rarely happens) If we are watching regular TV programming (and sometimes but seldom for movies) we have a 61" Samsung LED DLP that we use in that room. The scope screen is retractable and drops down in front of the DLP. I have a 60" Plasma in my office, and we have a 47" LCD in the family room. Those sizes are really the largest any room in my house can properly accommodate. I have no room, desire or need for anything gigantic in a fixed rigid panel. I doubt many people do. And how would you even get that into a lot of homes? Rear projection TV's of yesteryear were a major PITA in this regard, and that was one of their biggest downfalls.
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You mean you don't see any value in watching video or movies with ambient light in the room?
honestly, not really. I think we're a lot closer to a 'cheap' version of a black diamond and extra bright projector. but even without, some care for room lighting and it's totally possible to watch a front projector in a room with 'comfortable' ambient lighting. I say comfortable, because I hate watching anything in a really bright room.
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For now projectors are the only way to a large and reasonably priced picture. Over time that will change, I wonder how long it will take. I am guessing 5-7 more years and you will see most installations going flat panel except for very large, say 120 and over screens. And as others point out, the weight will need to come down and the price.

but beyond that personal viewing taste, I think 100" + rigid screens would be 'useless' because they simply could not be installed inside your average home. I had to unbox my 64" plasma to get it into my theatre room. maybe they'll come up with an 'ikea version' that you can assemble once you've brought it into your room in smaller pieces... haha. but as it stands now, getting a large OLED into my theatre seems about as likely as me parking my car in the living room

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I'm not sure I could get a 120" flat panel ( if I could afford one ) into my theater room - I'd imagine that would be a heavy beast !

Yeah, I'm the same, I think I'd have to disassemble my screen if I need to take it out of my HT. And how fragile, how careful would you have to be with a 200lb+ flat panel that's 10' wide?

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I would certainly replace my projector with a 100" TV if the price comes down below 10K. I would make a way to get it inside even.
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Bit more here on the Sony Laser light sourced projector:

4K Ultra Short Throw Projector

Sony has developed a 4K Ultra Short Throw Projector featuring a furniture-like design. Utilizing space itself, it can be placed near most walls and has the ability to cast a 4K Ultra High-Definition image up to 147-inches, turning unused space into a display.




The new projector requires no special tools or construction to install and operate. Simply set it right next to a wall that would not yield any shadows of people into a screen, and plug it in to enjoy 4K Ultra HD images. Furthermore, it has the ability to display current video content services from IP, satellite or cable providers as well as 4K content sources including Video Unlimited 4K, Netflix and 4K content shot on Sony's expanding range of 4K Handycam camcorders.

The 4K Ultra Short Throw Projector will be available in the U.S. by summer of 2014 for approximately $30,000 to $40,000.

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The new projector requires no special tools or construction to install and operate. Simply set it right next to a wall that would not yield any shadows of people into a screen, and plug it in to enjoy 4K Ultra HD images. Furthermore, it has the ability to display current video content services from IP, satellite or cable providers as well as 4K content sources including Video Unlimited 4K, Netflix and 4K content shot on Sony's expanding range of 4K Handycam camcorders.

That is pretty cool ( if a bit on the spendy side ).


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I would certainly replace my projector with a 100" TV if the price comes down below 10K. I would make a way to get it inside even.

Still too small - I'd rather buy a bright 4K projector and go even larger than I have now !

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Bit more here on the Sony Laser light sourced projector:

4K Ultra Short Throw Projector

Sony has developed a 4K Ultra Short Throw Projector featuring a furniture-like design. Utilizing space itself, it can be placed near most walls and has the ability to cast a 4K Ultra High-Definition image up to 147-inches, turning unused space into a display.




The new projector requires no special tools or construction to install and operate. Simply set it right next to a wall that would not yield any shadows of people into a screen, and plug it in to enjoy 4K Ultra HD images. Furthermore, it has the ability to display current video content services from IP, satellite or cable providers as well as 4K content sources including Video Unlimited 4K, Netflix and 4K content shot on Sony's expanding range of 4K Handycam camcorders.

The 4K Ultra Short Throw Projector will be available in the U.S. by summer of 2014 for approximately $30,000 to $40,000.

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Seems like a further development of LG's "HECTO" short throw laser projector "TV" shown at CES a year ago.

Here is the Sony Life Space UX console broken down in its separate parts.




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Simply set it right next to a wall ...
I hope this thing is pretty safe to look into from close up. Kids seem to love to look into light sources and that unit looks like a kid magnet for that. Especially given that it seems to be marketed as something to leave on and unattended for long periods of time, as opposed to something like a current model projector on a coffee table where there is more likely to be an adult around while the thing is turned on.

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I hope this thing is pretty safe to look into from close up. Kids seem to love to look into light sources and that unit looks like a kid magnet for that. Especially given that it seems to be marketed as something to leave on and unattended for long periods of time, as opposed to something like a current model projector on a coffee table where there is more likely to be an adult around while the thing is turned on.

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Very good point. Perhaps a safety cut out/light shutter could be implemented if not already done, using an ultrasonic pulse, not dissimilar to reversing devices on cars.

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