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http://www.techhive.com/article/2085622/sony-plans-4k-shortthrow-laser-projector.html
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The device, 110 centimeters (43 inches) long, sits next to a wall and resembles a piece of furniture like a low cabinet. The demo unit projected 4K Ultra HD images by firing a laser diode at a wall made of standard drywall, playing back clips of the 2013 science-fiction film “Elysium” in eye-popping quality.

The projector has a resolution of 4096 by 2160 pixels and a light output of 2,000 lumens, and it can cast images from 66 to 147 inches in size.

This bit of exciting news seems to have escaped some of the attention I feel it deserves. I'm not so amazed that Sony has a short-throw UHD projector coming to market this summer at an exorbitant cost ($40,000), but I am impressed that we're hearing of a major manufacturer releasing consumer-ready projection product using laser as the light source.

I've googled several articles and while folks have provide positive first-impressions of the image quality, I see no specific mention of black-levels or publication of contrast ratio. I'm hopeful that paired with a proper screen (and possibly implemented in a traditional-throw architecture) we might be talking about a light source with improved color/contrast/longevity of LED with the brightness of conventional bulbs.

Is anyone else impressed/excited about what this might mean for the evolving world of front projection light-source technology?

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Dave. Hi. Its really only using a tiny laser to excite a phosphor bulb of sorts. Sony uses it ion a business class only projector though I suppose it , the light source, might be different.

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i think this is awesome except for two things. Price and not available yet. I will follow closely now
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Not too much to follow until the summer.

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I wonder if the quality will be close to the 1000ES. This does look amazing.
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I wonder if the quality will be close to the 1000ES. This does look amazing.

For that RRP.......the quality would have to equal or be better or it would be a hard sell. The chassis is larger with more room giving greater engineering freedom......however the short throw lens could cause issues.

But as David said, the phosphor wheel/Laser light source with it's stable light output, calibrate once then forget will be a darn good inclusion for lesser priced projectors. Casio has been doing something similar for a while, hopefully we'll see this from JVC as well by years end.

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I don't find it amazing but it is a product to fill a need. Runco has a box which attaches to a wall and shoots a large 1080p picture on the wall. no speakers etc. Is the Sony much different? Has to be a bit away from the wall. Just a question of mirrors and optics. Of course no bulb here, just a laser lit diode if that is really a diode. I imagine most of the development work will be on getting long life out of the diode which I suspect is phosphor based lit by a low power laser. I imagine the optics are now built in the lab and now have to be massed produced and assembled with great accuracy. That's the price unknown issue

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I would love to have a projector that ultra short throw, so I can walk past the projector without being blind. Also, it should be brighter when that close. Of course the price is high, but it would come down. Plus, the PQ should be good since its going to be a Sony and 4K
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You could hang your projector a bit higher or train yourself not to look into the lens when you walk by. If you can't be err projector trained, wear sunglasses and take them off when you sit. A lot cheaper solution.
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I am not even talking about the price. If I had a choice between a regular throw projector and one right next to the screen, I'm going to take the short throw projector. Just because you don't prefer that an ultra short throw projector, does not mean everyone thinks the same.
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I don't prefer either one. I think many would prefer the projector to be below and just in front of the screen. All I am questioning is to me a superficial reason. Not to be blinded by looking into the lens.There are lots of better reasons including no bulb, no shadow caused by people walking between the projector and screen. No need for an expensive install. Lots of great reasons. Calming down the wife about having to hang the projector in the room.

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I don't prefer either one. I think many would prefer the projector to be below and just in front of the screen. All I am questioning is to me a superficial reason. Not to be blinded by looking into the lens.There are lots of better reasons including no bulb, no shadow caused by people walking between the projector and screen. No need for an expensive install. lopts of great reasons. calming down the wife about having to hang the projector in the room.

You are one bored, weird guy. Getting emotional over me saying I rather have a short throw projector because I mentioned something about being blinded by the projector light. Must be your time of the month
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You are one bored, weird guy. Getting emotional over me saying I rather have a short throw projector because I mentioned something about being blinded by the projector light. Must be your time of the month

blee0120.....that remark was uncalled for!

Mark is a passionate HT guy....sure he is a sales guy too.....but still the remark was uncalled for.

I think ultra short throw could be the future of projection....minimal set up issues, and if laser scanning is in the future...would be a perfect marriage, with inbuilt cut off if any prying eyes ventured too close.

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blee0120.....that remark was uncalled for!

Mark is a passionate HT guy....sure he is a sales guy too.....but still the remark was uncalled for.

I think ultra short throw could be the future of projection....minimal set up issues, and if laser scanning is in the future...would be a perfect marriage, with inbuilt cut off if any prying eyes ventured too close.

I don't appreciate someone being rude to me because he like something else.
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I am not emotional about your stating the prevention of blindness issue as your only stated reason. How could anyone be bored with you, I, and Kris just to name a few here, posting. Like great TV with no commercials. Do you think you are less weird than me? You have a brand new 600ES and you are not exited. That would be quite weird to even the weirdoes here. Its OK but most of us here are weird to those not passionately involved with the art and science of HT. Most would consider all of us as very weird. Thanks for the compliment. I remain your friend. Could you please pick me up some estragon for me when you are at the drug store? Thanks.

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I don't appreciate someone being rude to me because he like something else.

Yeah, at times how we interpret the written word comes across differently depending on how we read it and where we put the emphasis....but it didn't come across to me that Mark was being rude to you, just expressing his opinion/POV. smile.gif

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I don't appreciate someone being rude to me because he like something else.

I did not intend to be rude to you. I challenged your reason with a little humor. I truly apologize if I upset you. It was not my intent at all. We have a lot of posts responding to each other. Never a problem before that I remember. Maybe its your time of month too? Just kidding. Time for an internet hug.

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A lot of the cost must be the optics required to prevent keystoning when the top of the image is 5X farther from the lens than the bottom.

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All kidding aside, I for one look forward to the trickle down of this into a $5k PJ in late 2015/2016......as I'm still on my 2008 Sony VW60 and "waiting" for true leapfrog technology before I buy my next PJ, not just this % incremental stuff.
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The Laser Tech that Sony Uses is already in there business class projector and is only a couple grand more then the bulb counterpart.

Where things will be decided is how to retrofit the current designs to house the laser engine.
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All kidding aside, I for one look forward to the trickle down of this into a $5k PJ in late 2015/2016......as I'm still on my 2008 Sony VW60 and "waiting" for true leapfrog technology before I buy my next PJ, not just this % incremental stuff.

You and my brother. smile.gif He is still using a VW60 also. Says, he does not see any reason to upgrade. smile.gif He always was very frugal.

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Give him your current projector that you are replacing with your 600 today or early next week. Frugal is best served by free.

Seriously. Many don't care. What they have is good enough. They are happy while many here are miserable seeing faults casual viewers don't see and lusting for things they can't afford.

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Give him your current projector that you are replacing with your 600 today or early next week. Frugal is best served by free.

Seriously. Many don't care. What they have is good enough. They are happy while many here are miserable seeing faults casual viewers don't see and lusting for things they can't afford.

I take care of my brother. About a month ago I bought him a new lamp for his projector. smile.gif

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You are just a cheap SOB. wink.gif You just throw out the projector when it needs a new lamp and buy a better projector. smile.gif

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You are just a cheap SOB. wink.gif You just throw out the projector when it needs a new lamp and buy a better projector. smile.gif

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I only own one now. Use to have 5. Darin owns 17 screens at last count.

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CES pics of the Ultra short throw projector:




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I only own one now. Use to have 5. Darin owns 17 screens at last count.

He invested in screens. (joke from another thread). I laugh, but he does have a 2.8 gain HP screen that he could probably sell for more than he paid for it. smile.gif

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CES pics of the Ultra short throw projector:




The perfect screen. A sheet rock wall though some lighter mass booth divider there..

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