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The price is great but I want to know if this combination would work well for both 2D and 3D viewing. 18' X 14' dedicated media room. Please advise.
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Its an excellent surface.
I had a beautiful image with the original generation StudioTek 130 and an Epson 6030 in a light controlled room.
I assume fixed?
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Thanks yes it is fixed. I was reading on other posts that the Studiotek G3 may not be bright enough for 3D, that Dalite High power is better. Any thoughts?
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I thought 3D was nice and bright with the Epson 6030 and the StudiTek 130.
For reference I was at max throw and the screen I was using is fairly large-10'5 diagonal.
The room was very dark.

I might be in the minority but I do not like high gain screens.
The image always looks overblown, with noticeable hot spots & color shifts and is grainy as you can easily see the coating.
You also loose resolution and have a very narrow viewing angle.
If all you were going to watch was 3D maybe this is the right screen.
But for 2D IMHO is awful.
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I thought 3D was nice and bright with the Epson 6030 and the StudiTek 130.
For reference I was at max throw and the screen I was using is fairly large-10'5 diagonal.
The room was very dark.

I might be in the minority but I do not like high gain screens.
The image always looks overblown, with noticeable hot spots & color shifts and is grainy as you can easily see the coating.
You also loose resolution and have a very narrow viewing angle.
If all you were going to watch was 3D maybe this is the right screen.
But for 2D IMHO is awful.

Have you viewed a High Power? It does not hot spot.

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Have you viewed a High Power? It does not hot spot.
Yes many. I just can't get past all the issues I see.
I will say that the Da-lite is probably the best high power surface I have seen.
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I thought 3D was nice and bright with the Epson 6030 and the StudiTek 130.
For reference I was at max throw and the screen I was using is fairly large-10'5 diagonal.
The room was very dark.

I might be in the minority but I do not like high gain screens.
The image always looks overblown, with noticeable hot spots & color shifts and is grainy as you can easily see the coating.
You also loose resolution and have a very narrow viewing angle.
If all you were going to watch was 3D maybe this is the right screen.
But for 2D IMHO is awful.

Just to make sure I am not misunderstanding you, when you say for 2D it is awful, you are referring to the Dalite HP not the Studiotek G3 right?
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Just to make sure I am not misunderstanding you, when you say for 2D it is awful, you are referring to the Dalite HP not the Studiotek G3 right?
You are correct.
I don't know how quickly you have to move on the Stewart but get a sample of the HP screen you were thinking of and see what you think.
You may like it.
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You're an installer? You honestly think the HP screen is awful? Give me a break.... Not even taking it's extremely high gain into consideration, I've seen many far lower gain screen surfaces and thought they looked horrible. Anything from Stewart with a higher gain than the StudioTek 130 looks like someone threw glitter all over it. What a horrible experience it must be to watch a movie on something like that. The 130 material also has sparkles but it's somewhat reserved. The HP screen doesn't hotspot, its SUPER cheap, NO sparkles, and considering it's crazy high gain the screen texture from the optical coating is actually very light. You might notice it once in a while on a particularly bright scene and that's it. Those with the older 2.8 gain HP material will have less of an issue because the optical coating was better than the 2.4 HP.It's not a material I would call "awful" especially when its a LOT nicer than some of the other far more expensive materials out there. If we did a poll, I'm sure you'd find a huge number of people using the HP material and many love it.

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You are correct.
I don't know how quickly you have to move on the Stewart but get a sample of the HP screen you were thinking of and see what you think.
You may like it.

Thanks for your quick replies....I already bought it. It seemed like a compelling value at $1300 for a brand new one; so now I have to "live with it" which I don't think I will have too wink.gif
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I knew it would only be a matter of time before my nemesis Seggs showed up.
Welcome!

Anyway...
You will love it.
IMHO It is and has been one of the best all-around surfaces since I saw it's introduction some 20 years ago with Joe Kane.
The G3 certainly made a great screen even better.

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I have never liked and would never recommend a high gain screen.
I certainly understand the appeal of free brightness but everything has a trade-off.
For me these trade-offs ruin the viewing experience.

As I like to say your system looks good from my house biggrin.gif
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You'll love the Stewart screen, but don't think for a second the High Power screen is "awful". Different strokes for different folks. If you need the extra brightness for something like 3D or a bigger screen, the High Power is an excellent choice and overall a great material. I don't think I've ever seen anyone else on this forum say the screen material is "awful". It has a few drawbacks but comparatively to other higher gain screens its performance is staggering.

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I knew it would only be a matter of time before my nemesis Seggs showed up.
Welcome!

Anyway...
You will love it.
IMHO It is and has been one of the best all-around surfaces since I saw it's introduction some 20 years ago with Joe Kane.
The G3 certainly made a great screen even better.

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Yes I'm in the industry.
I go way back-before home theater and home automation was an even an industry.
My 1st foray was using ADS car audio speakers as in-wall speakers as nothing existed.
Also installed one of the 1st Frox Multimedia systems-probably going to hell for this.
Involved in lots of other note worth product launches and industry firsts.

I have never liked and would never recommend a high gain screen.
I certainly understand the appeal of free brightness but everything has a trade-off.
For me these trade-offs ruin the viewing experience.

As I like to say your system looks good from my house biggrin.gif


I watched a ST130 G3 for 4 years then "upgraded" to a HP 2.8. For both 2d and 3d, the HP 2.8 overall is a better screen in my setup with my JVC RS45 and BenQ 7000 (for 3d). The HP does not hot spot. Visible texture is a wash between the ST130 and HP 2.8. Each have other trade offs vs the other, but I don't miss my ST130 G3 at all and has been sold long ago. Both are great screens though and which one is best depends on many factors from one person/setup to the next.

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Your right awful was probably too strong of statement.

Has the Da-lite HP been resently updated?
It's been a couple years since we looked closely at it and did not like it for theater use.
To me they look like a big overly bright LCD flat panels. I guess some people like this.

The other deal killer for us is that it can't be acoustically transparent.
The only place a center speaker should be is behind the screen in the center.
I'm after what I see and hear in professional private screening rooms.

We have used many of them in corporate and commercial applications but I have not seen them live and in person.

If it's changed I'll order one in and take a look at it.
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Hijacking my own thread for a follow up question. My ceiling height is 9' and I the screen to opposite wall distance is 18'. The projector central calculator indicates that for my Epson 5030ub I should install at just under 15' from the screen. My question is, how do I determine, what distance from the ceiling I should install the the projector and the projector screen?
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Does this help?
http://www.epson.com/alf_upload/landing/distance-calculator/
Won't load as I'm on my iPad-no Flash
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Does this help?
http://www.epson.com/alf_upload/landing/distance-calculator/
Won't load as I'm on my iPad-no Flash

Thanks translux....I must be dense because I need to spend more time to figure that calculator out. I don have another question. For ceiling mounting, what is the difference between RPAU and RA Elite mounts from Chief?
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Thanks translux....I must be dense because I need to spend more time to figure that calculator out. I don have another question. For ceiling mounting, what is the difference between RPAU and RA Elite mounts from Chief?
I think u is for universal a mount and the other has a custom mounting plate for the specific projector.
The universals work fine but can be a bit flimsy compared to the custom fit.
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Thanks again translux, that was confirmed by vendors. I am going with the RAP 168.
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