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Epson 6030UB vs JVC DLA-X75

I requested the following configuration for my home theater after working with my home theater specialist. Room is 14 x 13 ft. Screen is on 14 ft wide wall.

1) Epson 6030 UB projector
2) Diamond Black 100 inch 16:9 screen
3) 5.1 Martin Logan speakers (Motion 8 center, Motion 40 front, ELIW in wall, Dynamo 700 subwoofer)
4) Marantz SR5008 receiver
5) Sony BDPS6200 4k/3d blu ray player

Apparently, they ordered a 2:35:1 screen instead of 16:9 and mounted everything by the time I reached home. Now, they informed that it is more expensive for them to swap out the screen because they will have to do the patch work with dry wall. So, I was suggested two options as follows and I need your help/advice with that:

Option 1) They will give an extra 2:35 lens at no additional cost, so that I can use it with 2:35 screen. It would be Panamorph CineVista lens
Option 2) Swap Epson projector with JVC DLA-X75 projector, again at no additional cost

I am honestly a bit low on projector education. I did read a bit online, but would ideally like your expert opinion. My room is not a dark room or not even closer to man cave (will take some pictures and upload), but I turn off blinds when I turn on projector and planning to add curtains in the room to make it a bit more darker.

I had following questions:
1) Isn't most of the content 16:9 out in the market? I guess, Amazon Prime, Netflix, etc...streams 16:9 content and most of the new blu-ray CDs have 2:35:1. We are planning to stream and also buy blu-ray CDs. I am personally tending towards 16:9. What do you suggest in terms of screen size: 16:9 or 2:35:1?
2) If I have to only opt for changes in projector, what would you suggest from the above options? Alternatively, I can also suggest them to provide more options, if you think so.


Epson 6030 UB vs JVC DLA-X75
Amongst many, following are the obvious differences between these two:

1. Epson: 2400 lumens of color/white brightness vs JVC: 1300 lumens of brightness
2. Epson: No 4k projection vs JVC e-shift2 technology
3. Epson: Upto 60k:1 contrast ration vs JVC 900k:1 (mistake?) contrast ratio

You help / opinion is highly appreciated. Thank you.

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I requested the following configuration for my home theater after working with my home theater specialist. Room is 14 x 13 ft. Screen is on 14 ft wide wall.

1) Epson 6030 UB projector
2) Diamond Black 100 inch 16:9 screen
3) 5.1 Martin Logan speakers (Motion 8 center, Motion 40 front, ELIW in wall, Dynamo 700 subwoofer)
4) Marantz SR5008 receiver
5) Sony BDPS6200 4k/3d blu ray player

Apparently, they ordered a 2:35:1 screen instead of 16:9 and mounted everything by the time I reached home. Now, they informed that it is more expensive to swap out the screen because they will have to do the patch work with dry wall. So, I was suggested two options as follows and I need your help/advice with that:

Option 1) They will give an extra 2:35 lense at no additional cost, so that I can use it with 2:35 screen
Option 2) Swap Epson projector with JVC DLA-X75 projector

I am honestly a bit low on projector education. I did read a bit online, but would ideally like your expert opinion. My room is not a dark room or not even closer to man cave (will take some pictures and upload), but I turn off blinds when I turn on projector and planning to add curtains in the room to make it a bit more darker.

I had following questions:
1) Isn't most of the content 16:9 out in the market? I guess, Amazon Prime, Netflix, etc...streams 16:9 content and selected blu-ray CDs have 2:35:1. We are planning to stream and also buy blu-ray CDs. I am personally tending towards 16:9. What do you suggest in terms of screen size: 16:9 or 2:35:1?
2) If I have to only opt for changes in projector, what would you suggest from the above options? Alternatively, I can also suggest them to provide more options, if you think so.


Epson 6030 UB vs JVC DLA-X75
Amongst many, following are the obvious differences between these two:

1. Epson: 2400 lumens of color/white brightness vs JVC: 1300 lumens of brightness
2. Epson: No 4k projection vs JVC e-shift2 technology
3. Epson: Upto 60k:1 contrast ration vs JVC 900k:1 (mistake?) contrast ratio

You help / opinion is highly appreciated. Thank you.

The X75 is last years model. Surprised they are trying to sell you one.
What sort of lens are they offering?
Don't take any notice of the specs. They are not calibrated specs they are manufactures specs.
If they are offering a decent lens, the Epson might be the way to go in your light room.
The JVC will really shine in a dark room.
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Apparently, they ordered a 2:35:1 screen instead of 16:9 and mounted everything by the time I reached home. Now, they informed that it is more expensive to swap out the screen because they will have to do the patch work with dry wall.
This is about the point where I would tell the specialist "you made the mistake, you eat the cost."
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This is about the point where I would tell the specialist "you made the mistake, you eat the cost."
Agreed. I think they might be able to bear the cost, but it seems like they wanted to save some money on their end. I made it clear that I won't pay anything more at the end of the day (new screen + installation cost) and they seem to be ok with it. They threw in a couple of options (which I mentioned in my original post above) to see if that would work for me.

I am going to talk with them today to see if they can just install the 16:9 screen later today, but just wanted to get a word of advice from the experts in this forum. Understanding all the options would be good before I deal with my specialist

Update: I had a chat with the sales manager and he said, he will check with the installer to see if they can just swap the screen without too much dry wall work. Pretty good guys, but unfortunately messed up while placing an order.

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The X75 is last years model. Surprised they are trying to sell you one.
What sort of lens are they offering?
Don't take any notice of the specs. They are not calibrated specs they are manufactures specs.
If they are offering a decent lens, the Epson might be the way to go in your light room.
The JVC will really shine in a dark room.
They are offering Panamorph CineVista Lens
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What size 2.35 screen did they install? I would consider the JVC the better projector. The JVC can do about 900 calibrated lumens in best image mode. The Epson can do about 700 calibrated lumens in best image mode. In high lamp the JVC is quieter. The JVC has much better contrast. The Epson is better for 3D and the Epson can go brighter in living room mode. If the 2.35 screen is not too small, both options are good choices. If the 2.35 screen is 100" diagonal, then I would not be happy with it.

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What size 2.35 screen did they install? I would consider the JVC the better projector. The JVC can do about 900 calibrated lumens in best image mode. The Epson can do about 700 calibrated lumens in best image mode. In high lamp the JVC is quieter. The JVC has much better contrast. The Epson is better for 3D and the Epson can go brighter in living room mode. If the 2.35 screen is not too small, both options are good choices. If the 2.35 screen is 100" diagonal, then I would not be happy with it.
They installed 100" diagonal for 2.35. But the replacement is also a 100" diagonal 16:9 screen.

Thank you for your opinion. I don't see too many 3D movies. If we were to view movies during day time (see attached pictures), would you still suggest JVC over Epson? That's because the room is a bit brighter than I believe what you would imagine.

I am planning to see a demo of JVC vs Epson later this weekend in the showroom.
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I'm surprised they would give you a lens or more expensive projector instead of doing $12 worth of drywall repair...


not much help to you now, but I would have gone with a wider 2.35:1 screen and the jvc
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Exactly what I thought when I first read the post. Why would the installer spend thousands more on a JVC and a lens when they can just patch and paint the wall? Doesn't make sense.

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not much help to you now, but I would have gone with a wider 2.35:1 screen and the jvc
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I'm surprised they would give you a lens or more expensive projector instead of doing $12 worth of drywall repair...


not much help to you now, but I would have gone with a wider 2.35:1 screen and the jvc
Great question. I think its because

1) They have to buy a new screen otherwise and black diamonds screens are pretty expensive. Since the screen is a special order, I don't know what will they do with old screen too.
2) Wiring work required because of moving the center channel speaker after swapping out the screen.

That's my theory based on how they have been replying.

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That screen looks very high.
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Great question. I think its because

1) They have to buy a new screen otherwise and black diamonds screens are pretty expensive. Since the screen is a special order, I don't know what will they do with old screen too.
2) Wiring work required because of moving the center channel speaker after swapping out the screen.

That's my theory based on how they have been replying.


I suppose that makes sense. just surprised they'd rather eat the cost of a projector upgrade/lens instead of sitting on the BD screen until they can sell it. they must not have the storage space.
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I suppose that makes sense. just surprised they'd rather eat the cost of a projector upgrade/lens instead of sitting on the BD screen until they can sell it. they must not have the storage space.
I wonder the same too. They should have storage space, its Magnolia A/V bought by Best Buy now. I guess, the installer suggested the sales guy to avoid dealing with the screen for the reasons I shared above, so the sales manager just provided me these options. I am going to visit the showroom to check out JVC and also how would 2:35 picture look on a 16:9 screen visually. Hope, that will help to make a decision.
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FYI, I decided to keep the 2:35 screen and get a panamorph lens. That was decided after we visited the showroom and looked at the set up and comparing 16:9 vs 2:35 screens. Want to thank you everyone for their input and help, really appreciated.
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