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Old 08-10-2014, 05:29 AM
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I have a feeling this comment is going to take a lot of flak. There's one on display at my local Best Buy too. I will simply say that your opinion is not true. In fact, there are many 1080p projectors out there that will blow away the Samsung's image and they'll be images far larger than the Samsung's.
You guys mangle the language. His opinion is CERTAINLY TRUE. You are you arguing that it is not his opinion? You think his opinion is NOT VALID, he thinks it is VALID.

Regardless of the babble, the Samsung is a small screen solution. My screen is a HUGE 110" D 16 x 9 and makes the Samsung look like a postage stamp.

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8 grand, wow... if that was OLED it would be interesting, it would look relatively small next to my 142".


78 inch 16x9 vs. 142 inch 16x9




it looks like Sony is coming out with a similar sized, curved competitor to be announced @ IFA

http://www.cnet.com/news/sony-bows-curved-4k-tv/

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Notable flat panel LED limitations still exist in 2014 and probably always will. (See pro calibrator Chad B's recent comparisons in the LED forum where he cal'd some of the top end 4K models this year from Sony, LG, and Samsung.)

With that said, I've seen the 78" Samsung on display at Best Buy and yes the 4K demo material looks very nice. The sheer increase in detail from 1080p to 4K is evident. It only makes me that much more excited to eventually buy a 4K projector one day which will be far superior.

It's kind of funny though. Having gone front projection this past spring (with a 117.4" diagonal 2:35 screen) these 80" flat panels I see on display do look so small. Before getting my JVC, they used to seem so huge.

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I will wait for the next JVC true 4K projector, hope****y no more e-shift
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Can I hire you to illustrate my posts? Please fit my 110" in there to illustrate my point. Thank you.
courtesy of display wars...

http://www.displaywars.com/

78 inch 16x9 display vs 110 inch 16x9 display



There seems to be a lot of criticism against the curved screen reading the Amazon reviews. The CNET article states that the Sony's will have less of a curve than the Samsung, i'm sure we'll hear about it at IFA.

The only way to get me interested in these TV's is if they are OLED. I look at the screen on my Galaxy S4 phone and see pitch black where it's supposed to be. that's the dream one of these days... 140-150" roll up OLED screens with infinite contrast. The projector threads will cease to exist.
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I will wait for the next JVC true 4K projector, hope****y no more e-shift

what if it's 8k e-shift with a 4k panel?

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what if it's 8k e-shift with a 4k panel?
Then they will still be lamenting the fact that it has E-shift and talk about how they can't wait for true 8K.

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It's funny how some people refuse to watch their 4k movies on an eshift projector. When it's 8k eshift, the same thing. It can always be turned off just like 3D.
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Then they will still be lamenting the fact that it has E-shift and talk about how they can't wait for true 8K.
So funny, until we get 4K BluRay or 8K BluRay movies then I will wait patiently
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It's funny how some people refuse to watch their 4k movies on an eshift projector. When it's 8k eshift, the same thing. It can always be turned off just like 3D.
agreed. I mean it's not a feature I'm all that concerned with, and that's why I opted for the x35 instead the x55 when I bought mine. but if I'm buying one of the new projectors for the DI or want a higher end JVC for better quality, and it just happens to also have e-shift, I'm ok with that. I considered the 3D emitter and two pairs of free glasses that came with my x35 a good thing, even though I don't like 3D movies.


as long as we don't actually have UHD content, I'd argue an e-shift projector is the smarter choice anyway. it's not like you're going to get more detail with a UHD projector and a 1080p bluray. both options just reduce the visible pixel structure, but if I want to get all anal about it, at least with the e-shift model I can turn it off and get that perfect 1:1 pixel mapping I like. can't do that with a UHD projector.

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I like eshift, the first version in particular on the RS55. There is definitely a different appearance when comparing it to the Sony VW1100.

for e-shift, the main benefit I saw was the increase in pixel density. This makes the image look more solid when sitting relatively close (14 feet) from my 142" 16:9. Combined with the mild MPC sharpening, it produces a convincing increase in PQ (when compared with it turned off or vs. my X35). e-shift 1 was subtle and that's ok. There were a number of modes on the 2nd and 3rd version that made it very easy to over-cook the image.

Scaling to UHD on the Sony, the effect is similar but the whole process is more refined and cleaner looking imo.
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I have to agree. If they can somehow figure a way to increase ANSI contrast on the original device and bring it back that would be awesome. It was silent (no high pitch noise) and it produced a better image compared to the second and third generation optical device (the first generation device was truly the only "electronic" shifting device). The image looked more natural while also giving a greater sense of solidity to the image.
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In addition to the pixel density look of eshift, I also have spotted where it smooths out jagged edges during content. I too sit pretty close to the screen and using the zoom method for CIH.

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I kept E-shift always on with my previous RS55.

With the RS57 I go back and forth. The image seems a bit sharper with E-shift off, more solid with it on. I decide depending on content, image size, etc.
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In addition to the pixel density look of eshift, I also have spotted where it smooths out jagged edges during content. I too sit pretty close to the screen and using the zoom method for CIH.
The stair steps are much smaller, so smother.
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I ended up going the Sony 4k route, but I really think the JVC 4910 was the true "best bang for the buck" projector of 2014. It was a third of the price of the 500/600ES with, given the dearth of 4k programming, probably 80-90% of the currently available performance of the Sony. It also had better black levels.

If I hadn't got an amazing deal on the Sony, I would probably have gone JVC.
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I ended up going the Sony 4k route, but I really think the JVC 4910 was the true "best bang for the buck" projector of 2014. It was a third of the price of the 500/600ES with, given the dearth of 4k programming, probably 80-90% of the currently available performance of the Sony. It also had better black levels.

If I hadn't got an amazing deal on the Sony, I would probably have gone JVC.
Where did you get that amazing deal I want one too
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I agree 100%. When I bought my 1000ES (now converted to a 1100ES by Sony) I was fortunate to be able to afford it. My wife saw a 1000ES in our HT and after one look said you have to buy one of these for yourself (she actually said for us). I got a great price because I was doing some work for sony and was fortunate to be able to afford it. Wive's often affect the meaning of the word affordability as well.
Your wife and mine must be related somehow

Some here argue that it's better to wait for 4K content before buying a 4K projector. That makes a lot of sense to me. But then you see a Sony VW 500ES on demo (with 1080P content) and you will want it. So my advice to everyone is to not go see it. It would have been better if it were a VW1100, because that price is beyond our reach. After watching the VW500 (Casino Royal, we actually sat there watching the movie for like 15') we walked away thinking "nice, but too expensive for us". Driving home however, we realised that only that one would really do. Every other choice would be a compromise. We shall compromise on other things instead, like getting cheap but adequate Molton curtains instead of fancy fabric. Buy a cheap stop gap PJ or so for a some time. I'd not pay 3K for another one, which was the initial budget.

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