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SIM2 announces at CEDIA three new "cheap" LED projectors

Hi, anyone has already seen at CEDIA someone of the new 20th anniversary's SIM2 projectors??

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Ok but...any news about data sheet of Sim2 Nero3?
Chip DMD 0,65" or 0,95" ?
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Ok but...any news about data sheet of Sim2 Nero3?
Chip DMD 0,65" or 0,95" ?
If they are "too" cheap probably 0,65"...let's see
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So Sim2 now has a number of LED projectors -- Nero and M series. Is the Nero series 3D ready? Cost? If they have 3D capability and since DLP has the best 3D then this one interests me. I'm not sure how good the Epson's LS10000's 3D will be and since the 4K enhancement isn't possible with 3D I'll be looking at something else -- maybe a Sim2 Nero.
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i have never seen the word cheap to describe the pricing on any Sim2 projector. Congratulations on using it.
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i have never seen the word cheap to describe the pricing on any Sim2 projector. Congratulations on using it.
Ok cheap is probably not the best word to describe it


"It is with this spirit of achievement that we are happy to introduce the 20th Anniversary line, with the one winning feature no-one is expecting from SIM2: the most competitively-priced SIM2 products in each category!
Company president Maurizio Cini says, "SIM2's philosophy is and has always been a commitment to complete customer satisfaction, by meeting customer requirements for solutions, quality, and performance through continuous product improvement. With the 20th series, we are delighted to be able to offer clients the opportunity to become part of SIM2's legacy of innovation at a lower budget."


I wonder how much this lower budget is...well under 10K $??? hope so
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Only one new LED model, the Nero 3, not three as the initial post said. The other new models have bulb.
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No consumer 4k models from them with 4k blu-ray coming next year?
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No consumer 4k models from them with 4k blu-ray coming next year?

Dpi 4k led projector
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Consumer friendly pricing in the solo 3d range
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So far it's the only projector that officially supports REC 2020. I don't think REC 2020 is going to be used imo, but it looks like Sim2 has nothing then. I think P3 is the gamut going to be used.
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Seegs of course the DP as the only 4K LED projector. Sim2 will sell you and install a coomercial 4K projector for the home. They will set it up etc. Its either a Barco or a Christie, I don't rember. They are not rebranding it. Cost" Something like a paltry $156K. Not even cheap in Sim2 terms.

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Nero3 is a 0,65" DMD based vpr and should quote 10.000 euros
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Saw demo of the NERO 3 at their booth...really impressive! They were shooting it zoomed to fill a 2.35 unity gain screen that was 160" wide. It was plenty bright with beautifully saturated colors, no artifacts, and with amazing detail. I've never seen an LED this bright.

It has triple flash 3D, horizontal and vertical lens shift, and the noise spec is stated as 25dB. The good news is they will be selling a 20th anniversary edition for $10,000. Considering all the advantages that LED offers including the cost of ownership over time compared to lamp-driven models, this projector strikes me as a great value.

As I've stated elsewhere, resolution is the least important consideration when it comes to projectors. Color gamut, contrast, and brightness are far more important. As long as one sits at a proper distance back, you can't tell the difference between 1080p and 4k....other than the current up converted 4k image will be softer looking.
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Saw demo of the NERO 3 at their booth...really impressive! They were shooting it zoomed to fill a 2.35 unity gain screen that was 160" wide. It was plenty bright with beautifully saturated colors, no artifacts, and with amazing detail. I've never seen an LED this bright.

It has triple flash 3D, horizontal and vertical lens shift, and the noise spec is stated as 25dB. The good news is they will be selling a 20th anniversary edition for $10,000. Considering all the advantages that LED offers including the cost of ownership over time compared to lamp-driven models, this projector strikes me as a great value.

As I've stated elsewhere, resolution is the least important consideration when it comes to projectors. Color gamut, contrast, and brightness are far more important. As long as one sits at a proper distance back, you can't tell the difference between 1080p and 4k....other than the current up converted 4k image will be softer looking.
As always 10.000$=10.000 euros :-(
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Saw demo of the NERO 3 at their booth...really impressive! They were shooting it zoomed to fill a 2.35 unity gain screen that was 160" wide. It was plenty bright with beautifully saturated colors, no artifacts, and with amazing detail. I've never seen an LED this bright.

It has triple flash 3D, horizontal and vertical lens shift, and the noise spec is stated as 25dB. The good news is they will be selling a 20th anniversary edition for $10,000. Considering all the advantages that LED offers including the cost of ownership over time compared to lamp-driven models, this projector strikes me as a great value.
Hi, do you recall what glasses they were using for the demo? In 3D, would you have any other projector references to compare it to in regard to 3D brightness?

Is that 10K US or a euro-conversion? thanks for the info! I've been looking for a high end 3D DLP projector, this sounds interesting.
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Hi, do you recall what glasses they were using for the demo? In 3D, would you have any other projector references to compare it to in regard to 3D brightness?

Is that 10K US or a euro-conversion? thanks for the info! I've been looking for a high end 3D DLP projector, this sounds interesting.
The 3D kit is said to be active RF with four pair of glasses@ $1000...so total would be $11,000 with 3D enabled. Price is in dollars, not euros.
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interesting, that is quite expensive for 3D glasses unless there is something unique about them. I hope a spec sheet is posted soon, I'd like to see if there is standard 3 pin VESA port for 'bring your own' 3D kit.
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The 3D kit is said to be active RF with four pair of glasses@ $1000...so total would be $11,000 with 3D enabled. Price is in dollars, not euros.
In europe will be 11.000 euros...
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interesting, that is quite expensive for 3D glasses unless there is something unique about them. I hope a spec sheet is posted soon, I'd like to see if there is standard 3 pin VESA port for 'bring your own' 3D kit.
Not sure on port type, but if the 3D kit is like the others from them I've seen, the menu gives u the option of selecting SIM2 specific or universal. With SIM2 specific, it locks on automatically when u watch 3D and it synchs at 144Hz...no toggling through different protocols until u hit the right one.
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Not sure on port type, but if the 3D kit is like the others from them I've seen, the menu gives u the option of selecting SIM2 specific or universal. With SIM2 specific, it locks on automatically when u watch 3D and it synchs at 144Hz...no toggling through different protocols until u hit the right one.
Like Zombie I find this projector of interest -- particularly for 3D. Can you tell us what you thought of the on/of contrast? Does Sim2 use Dynamic Black to modulate the LEDs to increase the contrast? I believe that Sim2 does use the 3 pin VESA port for 3D so something like the Optoma or JVC emitters should work. I'm not particularly sensitive to flicker so 144Hz is not a requisite feature for me. If this thing is as bright as you say then on my 120" 2.8 gain HP screen in 3D it should be amazing -- one can only hope.

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I've been looking for a high end 3D DLP projector, this sounds interesting.
You already have a high end 3D projector, albeit it isn't DLP. Something tells me you're not 100% satisfied with the Sony VW1100 for 3D. I fully understand why. You're OCD like me.
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Saw demo of the NERO 3 at their booth...really impressive! They were shooting it zoomed to fill a 2.35 unity gain screen that was 160" wide. It was plenty bright with beautifully saturated colors, no artifacts, and with amazing detail. I've never seen an LED this bright.

It has triple flash 3D, horizontal and vertical lens shift, and the noise spec is stated as 25dB. The good news is they will be selling a 20th anniversary edition for $10,000. Considering all the advantages that LED offers including the cost of ownership over time compared to lamp-driven models, this projector strikes me as a great value.

As I've stated elsewhere, resolution is the least important consideration when it comes to projectors. Color gamut, contrast, and brightness are far more important. As long as one sits at a proper distance back, you can't tell the difference between 1080p and 4k....other than the current up converted 4k image will be softer looking.

Thanks for the info Pete. Did you happen to note if this one is using the Chilin liquid cooled light engine?
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You already have a high end 3D projector, albeit it isn't DLP. Something tells me you're not 100% satisfied with the Sony VW1100 for 3D. I fully understand why. You're OCD like me.
The Sony flicker is definitely better than the JVC but not quite as 'rock solid' as the DLP's. If there is a DLP avail with similar contrast and all the DLP benefits + decent brightness I would be interested. The 3D brightness with the LED's will be a key metric.
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Saw demo of the NERO 3 at their booth...really impressive! They were shooting it zoomed to fill a 2.35 unity gain screen that was 160" wide. It was plenty bright with beautifully saturated colors, no artifacts, and with amazing detail. I've never seen an LED this bright.

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As I've stated elsewhere, resolution is the least important consideration when it comes to projectors. Color gamut, contrast, and brightness are far more important. As long as one sits at a proper distance back, you can't tell the difference between 1080p and 4k....other than the current up converted 4k image will be softer looking.
Sounds interesting, except for the .65 dmd. Are you sure about the Triple Flash as I thought that was exclusive to the Lumis line?
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http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...edia-nero-20th

Photo and USD price of $14,000? Could the .65 have accounted for the softer image they mention or as they attributed it to the larger screen?

So they have-

The Sim2 M120 LED .95
The Sim2 M150s LED .95
The Sim2 Nero 3/20th LED .65

Wonder the other differences are between the M120 and the Nero3/20th?

More photos here-

SIM2 Nero 3 LED-DLP Projector at CEDIA 2014

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Sounds interesting, except for the .65 dmd. Are you sure about the Triple Flash as I thought that was exclusive to the Lumis line?
They were clear in the power point that was being projected from a pico projector outside the booth that 3D was 144Hz....triple flash. As for .65 dmd...in the absence of a simultaneous direct comparison with a .95 implementation, there is no way one would feel "cheated" by the image being produced.
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They were clear in the power point that was being projected from a pico projector outside the booth that 3D was 144Hz....triple flash. As for .65 dmd...in the absence of a simultaneous direct comparison with a .95 implementation, there is no way one would feel "cheated" by the image being produced.
And all these Sim2 machines as sim2 proclaims, have the very latest TI 1.78 aspect 1080p chips. The very latest.

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