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http://babel.altavista.com/urltrurl?...ext=&doit=done
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It will available in June.

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I tried the link and got "not a valid "referrer"

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Try this link:

http://www.pandc-plus.com/piano/index2.html

It shows a teaser photo and has a link to a Japanese press release. Can any one give us a translation?

It looks like the product name is the Piano.

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In plus, foam/home theater market entry

Worldwide smallest * most light weight * with super high picture quality
Foam/home theater private DLP TM system projector
PLUS foam/home projector ' PIANO (piano) ' sale

* Presently of April of 2001, this corporation to inspect


It utilizes the result in the plus (inc.), business * Mobile projector market, fundamental rules enters to foam/home theater field. 1st of that as feature, from June first decade, the foam/home projector ' PIANO (the HE - 3100) ' in the Japanese country start of sale (consecutive sale schedule) it does even in the overseas market.
As for the same product, by the large picture the foam/home theater for you to enjoy to many people with ease opening is sent being something which in order, worldwide smallest * most light weight * high picture quality merit. As for substance color 5 colors. Shop front selling price is open price.

As for production, the plus industrial corporation which manages the production of the data projector for business (of Saitama prefecture Irima city * the production subsidiary company this corporation). As for monthly output production quantity of beginning 800 (domestic * overseas total). Concerning the marketing route, constructing net mail order and the optimum channel mix with the partnership * dealer which exchanges the sale contract of this product it is defeated.

Commodity merit

- The appearance impression overflows the large picture * high picture quality which

* 600:1 high contrast ratios
The DLP TM which the American Texas ¥ instruments corporation developed (digital ¥ light/write ¥ processing) you adopt system. The high contrast ratio where it exceeds 600:1 the image where the gradation expression power which is superior is optimum to movie appreciation is offered.

* 4 time fast RGB sequential illumination adoption
The RGB sequential illumination which is illumination method of veneer DLP TM system (consecutively irradiating light of the RGB to the DMD, the method of forming mosquito Ra image) speed 4 time speed (the 240Hz: Concerning 1 frame 4 times) rise. It is the design which does not make fatigue feel even with viewing in long time.

* Advanced progressive scan converter loading
By advanced progressive scan converter loading, 2-3 pull-down detection of the DVD is possible. It adjusts to the moving compensating function of the allotropy child, quite it is faithful to original image, being clear, it reproduces the image whose material feeling is high.

* Is superior the animated picture quality which
The DMD which is the key device of DLP TM system (the digital * micro mirror & the device), speed of response quite is fast, it reproduces also the image which has the movement like sport observation smoothly.

- Quiet sound design

Turning the big sirocco fan of airflow comfortably, it decreases fan noise substantially. With the scene which becomes tense and, the quiet sound efficiency where the 33dcBa which does not obstruct viewing is superior is actualized with the scene where mood increases.

- It changes every room into the theater space, " super small size * light weight " actualization

Because A5 file size (the width 235~ depth 198~ height 91mm) with it is the compact design of the barely 2kg, if it does not choose the storage space and only the wall is, it is possible, for every room such as parlour, nursery and bedroom to make the theater space.

- Seriously considered interior characteristic the original design which

The American Ignition (ignition) the corporation takes charge industrial design. It is the original design which combines beautiful curved line and sharp straight line. In addition because it is possible, to choose the color of the taste from the color variation of 5 colors, it matches to the various interiors.

Development background

Plus, February of 98, the American Texas * instruments corporation developed the DLP TM system by the DMD veneer which the small-sized data projector " UP-800 " which is adopted for the first time in the country sells, the big whirlwind was created in the projector market where that at that time liquid crystal system is main current. In July of 99, from the " UP series " both capacity ¥ mass approximately half super small-sized ¥ super lightweight " U2 series ", furthermore, worldwide smallest * most quality of worldwide highest level is actualized with the DLP TM system by the DMD veneer light weight * it sells the " U3 series " in May of 2000. Miniaturization ¥ light weight conversion of the projector was lead/read always.

And this time, experience and the know-how which are cultivated with former business projector development high grade video technology, it adds also new technology such as color design and quiet sound conversion technology to the base, the worldwide smallest ¥ most light weight it commercializes the foam/home projector of picture quality concern by way of the development period of approximately 1 year half. Presently you attract attention with the spread of the DVD player and the DVD software et cetera, you throw to the foam/home theater market where in the future enlargement is expected more and more. Furthermore, domestic annual market scale of the projector for home is anticipated 20,000 - 25,000 units *.

In the future, not only with the projector as the presentation tool, the family and the friend and the simple ¥ it makes easymakes easy high picture quality, doing the proposition of the new foam/home theater as the image communication tool which can enjoy the large picture, via the sale of the peripheral device and the related commodity, it is defeated.


Brightness (No marry white) 500ANSI lumen
Contrast ratio 600: 1 (full on & off)
Scanning frequency Horizontality: 15 - 85kHz, verticality: 50 - 85hz

Focusing (manual), projection angle,
Input signal change (video / S- video / YcbCr / DVI),
Aspect, stand-by on / off, underside up and down left and right reversal, digital Kith tone revision, brightness, contrast and color thickness, hue *, sharp Ness, color temperature, gamma revision

Signal system TMDS (only single link correspondence)
Input terminal DVI-D 24 pin ~1
RGB signal VGA (640~480) enlargement indication
S-VGA (800~600) full indication
XGA (1024~768) displaying compactedly
Component inputs
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Sounds like an 800x600 dlp with dvi inputs and faster spinning colorwheel.

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But the 500 lumens seems absurdly low.


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33db will be nice!

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"...But the 500 lumens seems absurdly low."
Steve, I'm with you 500 lumens could be too low but what looks very interesting is the fact that it has 600:1 contrast ratio with only 500 lumens, if this is true then blacks should be very deep. I would like to see one of this in action. ;-)
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The 500 lumens seems honest when no clear section is used. If the projector had a clear section it would be 1000.

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i saw a sample while cebit in hannover. the product sounds very well from the specs, but it seems, that they will use a fix focus wide angle lens http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/frown.gif.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Cain:
"all your base are belong to us"

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Muhahahahahaha...
2.35 dream comes true. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif

Maybe Cain was the first one who noticed the potential of Plus Piano.
This FPTV has the ability to display 848x480 . (native 1.78:1)
We may use an anamorphic lens with this FPTV and that will become a true 2.35:1 DLP.
(Perhaps Plus Piano and the upcoming Seleco DLP have the same DMD)


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The DMD is a 16:9 848x600 says the spec. if it right.
It also has 4x colorwheel speed - this should hopefully get rid of the last rainbow effects :-)
But if this unit uses a 16:9 DLP, then the new INFOCUS HT projectors will properly also use a 16:9 DLP's as it sounds :-)
This sounds VERY exciting !

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Plus make their own light engines, as do I believe InFocus.


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by The Viking:
The DMD is a 16:9 848x600 says the spec. if it right.
It also has 4x colorwheel speed - this should hopefully get rid of the last rainbow effects :-)
But if this unit uses a 16:9 DLP, then the new INFOCUS HT projectors will properly also use a 16:9 DLP's as it sounds :-)
This sounds VERY exciting !
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The 848x600 DMD is the same DMD used in all the SVGA projectors, they just address 800x600 pixels. 848x600 is not a 16:9 ratio, however it sounds like they may just be using the basic 848x600 dmd and cropping it to 16:9 (848x480) as said above.

Too bad this won't be using one of the new 1280x720 dmd's!



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"If you are a gamer..."

Please take a look at the FFX media and screenshots if you are a gamer:
http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/007073-2.html

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Maybe Plus Piano will be suitable for double stack.
We can probably get 2 of them for less then 5000 bucks:
http://finance.yahoo.com/m5?a=298000&s=JPY&t=USD

BTW, the flavors of Plus Piano are listed below:
| Black | Blue | Red | Silver | White |
Which one has the best SAF? http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Hehe, bbq, yes that is it. That mangled translation reminded me of the game translation that started all that madness, which you posted..

If you are a gamer, check out my Game Server's Web page, and if you play CS, Tribes, or UT stop by my servers and play with us sometime..
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OK back to the topic:

Who makes these projector engines, Davis or InFocus?? I assume some company makes these engines then other companies make slight, or moderate modifications to tweak them out, correct??

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dlptheater:
The 848x600 DMD is the same DMD used in all the SVGA projectors, they just address 800x600 pixels. 848x600 is not a 16:9 ratio, however it sounds like they may just be using the basic 848x600 dmd and cropping it to 16:9 (848x480) as said above.

Too bad this won't be using one of the new 1280x720 dmd's!

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Yes, I know that 848x600 is NOT 16:9, but 848x480 is !
Are you saying that ALL SVGA DLP projectors are using a 848x600 and NOT a 800x600 resolution DMD chip ???

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Some SVGA DLP are different from the others:
http://www.rochestermicro.com/dmdlocation.htm

However, all SVGA DLP @ www.projectorcentral.com are 800x600.
That is pretty interesting. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by bbq@KL:
Some SVGA DLP are different from the others:
http://www.rochestermicro.com/dmdlocation.htm

However, all SVGA DLP @ www.projectorcentral.com are 800x600.
That is pretty interesting.
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I'm fairly certain they all use the 848x600 chip though, since from reading www.dlp.com (TI's website) they only appear to make the one SVGA (848x480) DMD. Also on the site you listed above it says the Toshiba TDP490 is 848x600, I used to own this projector (its a DL450 clone) seems to display 800x600 only (with 24 unused pixels on each side of the image).




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Are you saying that ALL SVGA DLP projectors are using a 848x600 and NOT a 800x600 resolution DMD chip ???
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Yes, check out the DLP Roadmap on www.dlp.com, it goes:

SVGA 848x600
XGA 1024x768
SXGA 1280x1024

If you look carefully on a SVGA dlp projector you can usally notice that the part of the halo on the edges is composed on mirrors turned off (24 mirrors on each side on the DL450 if I remenber correctly). Some projectors will let you address those mirrors (I think Larry Davis is running 848x600 on his 3 chipper). There was speculation that on you might be able to get 848x600 working on a Davis since that is a standard mac resolution, and the Davis says it supports macs..




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