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Wow - big news if true (thanks Google translate!).



I wonder if they will also revise the 365 and 675. I currently have my eyes on the 675, but would be open to a 375 if it get's announced... I just don't want to have to wait too much longer.

Can you send me your google translate link? I keep getting an error when I try it. Or maybe just elaborate on what's being reported?
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Can you send me your google translate link? I keep getting an error when I try it. Or maybe just elaborate on what's being reported?
There aren't any real details. It is just a french report saying that inside information has leaked that Sony will be announcing an all new 4K projector under 5000 euros in price in September.

But who really knows and maybe this could be an update of the 365 with a slight price reduction. I am not sure how 5000 euros even translates to US price since the market in europe is different and they have that high vat tax added to the price.
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There aren't any real details. It is just a french report saying that inside information has leaked that Sony will be announcing an all new 4K projector under 5000 euros in price in September.



But who really knows and maybe this could be an update of the 365 with a slight price reduction. I am not sure how 5000 euros even translates to US price since the market in europe is different and they have that high vat tax added to the price.


It should be a new model and not a replacement of the 365. Sony probably want to have something to go against the entry level DLP models. I hope the 365 get an update but I'm only expecting 4K/10-bit/60p compatibility (as with the 675 but hopefully without the banding :-))


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Interesting, according to Google Translate of that article:
"One of my sources informed me of the imminent release (around September) of a new Sony 4K video projector more affordable since it should be offered under the 5000 € and obviously we lose in optical quality compared to VW320ES. He also told me about a new chassis which would mean that the design should differ from the existing VW RANGE. To confirm of course

We should do, if it is, good deals on previous models like the 320ES in particular.
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These have been my thoughts - In order for Sony to bring out a sub $5,000 4K PJ, they'll have to cut corners or make sacrifices somewhere. Will the Lens be as good as in the 365 or 665? What about the chipset? We'll have to wait and see.

And I've read one review and seen a few comments here talking about black levels not being very good on the 365. I couldn't disagree more. I've attached some pictures of Sicario, showing black against a white/light background. They look great to me and I don't see how they can get much blacker lol. Disclaimer: these are phone camera pics and a little blurry, image quality is better in person.
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I think the new projector will basically be a 4k 45es. No iris. No motorized lens. It will have to have a better lens than the 45es though or being 4k probably wouldn't matter much.

The above would allow it to come in at the rumored price.

Also keep in mind that while I agree the screen shots above look good they aren't really anything that is going to challenge the projector and probably have more to do with the Sony's ANSI contrast being as good as it is. If you have Captain America 3 watch the scenes where the Winter Soldier ambushes that car on the dark road. There are a few close ups of his motorcycle. That's where you'll see the 365 struggle a bit. Mind you it's still quite a bit better than you're likely to see at your local cinema.
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in fact i need a 4k version of sony hw50, but need a better lens, a bit better contrast and same msrp.
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in fact i need a 4k version of sony hw50, but need a better lens, a bit better contrast and same msrp.
If the price is right I think a lot of people could use that projector. Although I'd be surprised if the contrast moved much at all. Sony seems to reside in the 6k:1 native range at the low end of their offerings. I definitely wish they'd improve upon that across the lower end of their product line. They don't get into a more respectable 15k:1 until the 675es and it's of course pricey.
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in fact i need a 4k version of sony hw50, but need a better lens, a bit better contrast and same msrp.
I don't know if any of these native 4K machines will ever come down in price.
The problem is the native 4K chips are bigger, that requires the lenses in the light path to be bigger.
Bigger lenses (even the ones on the 365es) cost more to produce.

Even if Sony were to produce nothing but 4K machines, I don't think them concentrating on making the lenses would come down much, it still takes the same amount of human labour to produce a large amount as apposed to a smaller amount IMO...
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And I've read one review and seen a few comments here talking about black levels not being very good on the 365. I couldn't disagree more. I've attached some pictures of Sicario, showing black against a white/light background. They look great to me and I don't see how they can get much blacker lol. Disclaimer: these are camera pics and a little blurry, image quality is better in person.
I don't think it is necessarily a case of the Back levels being poor, I think it is more the fact that it is missing a DI which is available on almost all projectors in that price range. The native contrast on the 365 isn't bad and the ansi contrast is pretty good. But without an iris there is no way to set brightness levels to account for room variations and screen variations. There is also no way to improve black levels when the scene changes to a dark scene. The con of not having an iris translate to people just saying the 365 has poor black levels, which isn't really true, it is just missing an iris.

By the way, this is a good argument for bias lighting. If bias lighting is used then the need for an iris is less important because the bias lighting keeps the human eye from adapting to the dark therefore the black in dark scenes will still appear very black. Ansi contrast is important and because the ansi contrast on the 365 is better than most JVCs, if bias lighting is used it counteracts the lack of high dynamic contrast.
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Bias lighting will definitely improve perceived contrast. I just hate doing that in a home theater.
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I think Sony is planning a 4K DLP...


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Has Sony ever used DLP technology/

I am trying to think of one case where Sony has used DLP and nothing comes to mind. Even in the rear projection TV days, Sony didn't use DLP.

I would really doubt that they would go to DLP now, especially since they have all the R&D and production facilities for LCoS.
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I just finished setting up the projector. Wow, this puts out a nice picture. I haven't tried uhd blurays yet, but man did Avatar in 3d and Horizon Dawn look good. Reality creation is pretty incredible. I have a xbr940E 75" and for some reason my projector pq looks just as good to me so far. Probably, cause the 365es is in a dark room, but wow it's so much better than my old acer projector. My wife who doesn't usually care about PQ was amazed too; I might even say stunned.

I know optima came out with a new projector uhd 65 and people think it's comparable to the 365es, but after viewing the images from a recent review; I can see a big difference and I'm happy I chose the 365es. I'm setting up my uhd player later, not sure how much better 4k hdr can even make it look.

Edit: Well, the black levels aren't as good, but they're still not bad. uhd blu-rays look awesome.
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SMASUNG K8500. It plays well with Sony HW365ES pj. No sync glitches or issues. Frys had it on sale for $139.00 Same one I have in bedroom 4k tv for 6 months and no issues.

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Hey, did the projector automatically switch the hdr setting on when playing a uhd disk? I had to set hdr to on manually. in auto, the projector defaulted to off.
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Hey, did the projector automatically switch the hdr setting on when playing a uhd disk? I had to set hdr to on manually. in auto, the projector defaulted to off.


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It's weird, my 940E switches automatically. I know the signal is 4k/hdr. The blu-ray player shows I'm outputing 4k/24p. On non 4k content the option isn't even in the projector menu. Also, it looks terrible with the hdr option turned off and amazing on. I guess I'll just manually turn it on for hdr content. It's the same when I play netflix too. I have to manually turn it on. Oh well
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Hey, did the projector automatically switch the hdr setting on when playing a uhd disk? I had to set hdr to on manually. in auto, the projector defaulted to off.
Right of the bat when i set up the pj changed it to auto. It automatically goes to HDR when I send 4k blu ray signal to pj.

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I have the latest firmware already. I'm going to try the samsung. I was using sony ubp-x800. I'll have to order the samsung online. The sony ubp-x800 didn't have very good 3d playback and froze once during a 4k movie.
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I have the latest firmware already. I'm going to try the samsung. I was using sony ubp-x800. I'll have to order the samsung online. The sony ubp-x800 didn't have very good 3d playback and froze once during a 4k movie.


At least it works with the Panasonic DMP-UB900. It is strange that it does not work with a Sony player. I would suspect that it is not the player then. Have you tried at least another cable? Are you using the HDCP compatible input? Reset everything to default on the projector and on the player and try again.


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Yes, I'm using the 2.2 HDMI port connected directly to the uhd player. I haven't tried a different cable. It's rated at 18 gbps and outputs 4k/hdr on my 940e. Guess I'll try another cable.

The projector sees it's hdr, but won't turn it on automatically. It's definitely working when on though.
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Trying to figure out best way to optimize the picture on my 365es. I've got a Pany BD, Dune 4k Solo both hooked up to a Yamaha A3060.

Right now, my Yamaha is set to output 4k so the Sony is seeing a 4k signal regardless of the content but not sure if that's a good idea or just have the Yamaha pass through signal and let the 365 do the upconvert... Does that make sense?
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Can anyone link me to least expensive 3d glasses for our pj?

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Trying to figure out best way to optimize the picture on my 365es. I've got a Pany BD, Dune 4k Solo both hooked up to a Yamaha A3060.

Right now, my Yamaha is set to output 4k so the Sony is seeing a 4k signal regardless of the content but not sure if that's a good idea or just have the Yamaha pass through signal and let the 365 do the upconvert... Does that make sense?
Try it both ways and see which you prefer. Most people think Sony does a better job of up converting than Yamaha but you might have a different perspective.
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These aren't the cheapest, but they work well. $42 on Amazon Sony TDG-BT500A
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Anyone else having issues with blurring in video games?

I notice that it's rather visible on all games, some worse than others, when turning the 'camera' left or right in the game. As-if frame interpolation is not present or can't keep up. I have not seen this same blur in bluray movies, only on games.

The blur is very noticeable on 4k games on PS4 Pro, and is still there (but not as bad) when in '1080 mode'. And I have the 365 motion menu set to 'Impulse', the only option it gives you in 4k mode.

I had my HW40es for 3 years and never had an issue with motion blur, always had motionflow set to 'Low'. But blur is noticeable on this 365.

Is it my settings? Or that the PJ is only 60hz? Or is it that the 4k image is so detailed that there is bound to be blur since there are more artifacts moving on screen?

Any advice or comments are appreciated, I'm still rather a novice when it comes to the technicals of these projectors.

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Anyone else having issues with blurring in video games?

I notice that it's rather visible on all games, some worse than others, when turning the 'camera' left or right in the game. As-if frame interpolation is not present or can't keep up. I have not seen this same blur in bluray movies, only on games.

The blur is very noticeable on 4k games on PS4 Pro, and is still there (but not as bad) when in '1080 mode'. And I have the 365 motion menu set to 'Impulse', the only option it gives you in 4k mode.

I had my HW40es for 3 years and never had an issue with motion blur, always had motionflow set to 'Low'. But blur is noticeable on this 365.

Is it my settings? Or that the PJ is only 60hz? Or is it that the 4k image is so detailed that there is bound to be blur since there are more artifacts moving on screen?

Any advice or comments are appreciated, I'm still rather a novice when it comes to the technicals of these projectors.
Well...

Impulse isn't going to be as effective as Motionflow on Low with reducing motion blur. Impulse is basically just black frame insertion. Combination adds a touch of frame interpolation but is of course unavailable with 4k sources.

Ultimately unless Sony changes the chassis on the lower end to allow for better heat mitigation on a faster chip it's a compromise that must be made.

I have a 45ES now. Like you I pretty much run with Smooth Low on all the time. I'll very likely be buying a 675es in a few weeks if nothing more suitable is announced at CEDIA. To prepare myself for life without 4k frame interpolation I'm watching my Sony now with Motionflow off. It's not my preference but it's not half bad. I can watch it without annoyance unlike native motion on a JVC.
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Dear friends,

I didn't know 365 is 2 year old model, but I saw an attractive price on some AV website close to the price point of JVC RS420, I had two questions to ask ?
Though JVC and Sony were never in my price range, I am thinking if it is worth making a steeper investment now <4k or go with 1.5K investment on Sony
45ES and later down the road say 3 years use the 2.5K for getting a decent projector supporting 4K with 18.2 GBPS with decent lumens?


1) How do you think this stacks up with full 18.2 gbps HDR supported JVC e-shift models? Which one is future proof?
2) How is the HDR on this model considering this doesn't have many lumens to boast? is HDR on projector a real deal?

Thanks in advance!

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Well...

Impulse isn't going to be as effective as Motionflow on Low with reducing motion blur. Impulse is basically just black frame insertion. Combination adds a touch of frame interpolation but is of course unavailable with 4k sources.

Ultimately unless Sony changes the chassis on the lower end to allow for better heat mitigation on a faster chip it's a compromise that must be made.

I have a 45ES now. Like you I pretty much run with Smooth Low on all the time. I'll very likely be buying a 675es in a few weeks if nothing more suitable is announced at CEDIA. To prepare myself for life without 4k frame interpolation I'm watching my Sony now with Motionflow off. It's not my preference but it's not half bad. I can watch it without annoyance unlike native motion on a JVC.
This is interesting. So the 675 has the same issues with blur/ghosting?

I tried again last night, with Impulse ON and then OFF, and it's pretty noticeable either way. Disappointing, especially given the high price paid. I'm trying, but not sure this is something I can get used to and settle with. I've been spoiled for 3 years with Motionflow LOW on the HW40es.

Part of me is very tempted to just part ways and grab a 45es instead, or maybe even try the 4k Optoma and see how the motion is on that (and the RBE). Unfortunately, I just sold my 40es.

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This is interesting. So the 675 has the same issues with blur/ghosting?

I tried again last night, with Impulse ON and then OFF, and it's pretty noticeable either way. Disappointing, especially given the high price paid. I'm trying, but not sure this is something I can get used to and settle with. I've been spoiled for 3 years with Motionflow LOW on the HW40es.

Part of me is very tempted to just part ways and grab a 45es instead, or maybe even try the 4k Optoma and see how the motion is on that (and the RBE). Unfortunately, I just sold my 40es.
The 675es and the 365es share the same chassis and have the same limitations regarding frame interpolation on a 4k source.

Personally I would experiment with sending 1080p from your gaming device and allowing the projector to upscale internally to it's native resolution once FI has been applied. While this isn't 'true 4k gaming' I imagine it would look a lot better than it would on a 45es.

For me I don't require frame interpolation for games. Playing on a projector isn't that much different than using a LCD monitor for PC gaming.
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