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JVC 4k Native Laser projector (confirm)

It was a rumor but now it's confirm?

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...tif-jvc-laser/

JVC will present at IFA and CEDIA show is first 4k native laser projector for home theater.

Price around 25000$-30000$ MSRP

Cant wait to learn more.

IFA begin September 2, so less than 60 days...
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Who will get their hands on one first? Seegs or Zombie
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Might need to throw Craig and me in the mix.
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Really cool, this certainly seems like it could be a dream projector! Hopefully the laser light source has fixed the issue of slight light pumping/flickering. Also, just imagining the JVC's incredible native black levels with their wire grid polarizers combined with a good dynamic laser modulation system is enough to make me salivate.... Can't wait to read more about it in september.

By the way, does anyone know if the gamma droop that happens with the JVC's panels occur due to heat or other factors generated by the UHP lamp, or does it happen simply due to the panels being switched on and working? @Seegs108 @stanger89 , this seems like a question you guys would have some knowledge on.

If it is, i'd imagine going over to laser would finally remove the only "unstable" part of the D-ILA panels. Which would of course be great.

I don't know if it has got to do with the laser light source, or the liquid crystal on quartz technology that Epson uses, but that the panels in my LS10000 supposedly remain completely stable over time is a major bonus in my mind. My dealer's demo unit had just over 1000 hours on it and was identical to how it was when initially set up. Not having to change the lamp is in by itself a great thing for people who use their projector a lot. Not needing recalibration is icing on the cake. Just switch it on and enjoy with complete ease of mind with regards to racking up hours. Would be great if this was the case with the JVC as well, as they move over to laser.

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Might need to throw Craig and me in the mix.
If you get one I am flying out the next day. I'm a good house guest
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If you get one I am flying out the next day. I'm a good house guest
No problem. Bring your test gear.
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Who will get their hands on one first? Seegs or Zombie
I already got my wife to agree in theory to buying this- hee hee !

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We have 2 guest rooms and plenty of wine !
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Ut oh, that other guest room just got booked then too hahaha
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Wonder if it will have a low lag/game mode...
I would think that it would be a good posability.

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I would think that it would be a good posability.
Too bad it sounds like it's "cost impossible"
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Too bad it sounds like it's "cost impossible"
Well, maybe in five years the tech will trickle down to RS500 pricing.
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Wonder if it will have a low lag/game mode...
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I would think that it would be a good posability.
Do game modes degrade picture quality in some way? I am wondering why the low-lag mode is not always on.
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Well, maybe in five years the tech will trickle down to RS500 pricing.
We might get an eshift version at half cost. Basically, the RS600 replacement
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Do game modes degrade picture quality in some way? I am wondering why the low-lag mode is not always on.
It seems to depend on the display. I think usually it just disables some of the advanced processing (fancy scaling, sharpening, etc), I think on the Sony's it doesn't really impact picture quality, but apparently the Epson's take a big hit.

JVCs (home) just have a fixed, 125ms or more lag, there is no faster mode.

I still don't know why, my Planar 8150 is about 16ms for anything, there is no fast/slow mode. So I don't know what all the LCoS/LCD machines do that they need an extra 100ms.
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We might get an eshift version at half cost. Basically, the RS600 replacement
In five years, we will not be talking eshift anymore. Native UHD will be priced more reasonably...whether it be laser or lamp.
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In five years, we will not be talking eshift anymore. Native UHD will be priced more reasonably...whether it be laser or lamp.
We might be talking about 8k eshift.
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Do game modes degrade picture quality in some way? I am wondering why the low-lag mode is not always on.
Yes, you have to give up some things, to reduce the lag. The trick is to have low lag and yet give up very little picture quality.

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In five years, we will not be talking eshift anymore. Native UHD will be priced more reasonably...whether it be laser or lamp.
Was talking about this year
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Yes, you have to give up some things, to reduce the lag. The trick is to have low lag and yet give up very little picture quality.
Oddly, on DLP you don't. So I wonder what's different about LCD/LCoS?
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Oddly, on DLP you don't. So I wonder what's different about LCD/LCoS?
I bet DLP cost you some time, but it is less noticeable. Let's say FI adds 15% lag. 15% on a projector that is already over 100MS is a lot, but 15% on a projector that only had 16ms to begin with would not be noticeable. As to why LCOS is higher to begin with, LCOS must require a lot more processing than DLP to get a nice image.

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As to why LCOS is higher to begin with, LCOS must require a lot more processing than DLP to get a nice image.
Yeah, so my Planar 8150 is 16ms, regardless of what I turn on. Of course it doesn't have FI or anything like that.
My RS4910 is 124ms at minimum (no FI or anything enabled), turning on FI adds like ~25ms or something.

I'm just curious what LCoS does in that ~100ms that DLP doesn't have to do. I mean clearly LCoS can keep up the frame rate, and the panel switching speed is fast enough for that. So there's some sort of buffer, but what the heck to they need to buffer for 3-5 frames? Is it something fundamental to LCoS technology, or is it just a case of not putting in the effort to optimize the video processing?
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It was a rumor but now it's confirm?

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...tif-jvc-laser/

JVC will present at IFA and CEDIA show is first 4k native laser projector for home theater.

Price around 25000$-30000$ MSRP

Cant wait to learn more.

IFA begin September 2, so less than 60 days...

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With the 4K/laser confirmation, is it a bad time to be buying into the JVC x9000 at the moment? I've been on the fence to get either the x7000 or x9000 but I'm now worried about what to expect come September. Do we think there will be big changes in their more mainstream products?
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With the 4K/laser confirmation, is it a bad time to be buying into the JVC x9000 at the moment? I've been on the fence to get either the x7000 or x9000 but I'm now worried about what to expect come September. Do we think there will be big changes in their more mainstream products?
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And why is this not in the Ultra High End thread unless someone knows this will be available for less than $20,000? Or doesn't anybody ever visit the Ultra thread who is interested in JVC?
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