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JVC DLA-X5500/X7500/X9500 3 new HT projectors 2017

JVC DLA-X5500 review :

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...jvc-dla-x5500/

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JVC DLA-X9500 review :

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...jvc-dla-x9500/

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JVC, Japanese manufacturer, contrast champion, will be released in early 2017, three new home cinema references DLA, the JVC DLA-X5500 (? 4,490), DLA-X7500 (? 6,490) and DLA -X9500 (? 9,990). They should be available between the months of March and April 2017.

3 lamps models 1080P slightly changed from the X5000 / X7000 / X9000.



http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...-et-dla-x9500/



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Hmmm....interesting move, bound to sell a few more units with this refresh.

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I had a hunch this was coming and was mocked when I returned my un-boxed projector .
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What will be added to these?
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Seems like only a firmware update to enhance HDR performance according to the article.

If they are bringing out new chassis models(UHD?) later in 2017, this 'refresh' and new/er model nomenclature would make sense, as existing hardware stock of the current models could be used up and moved before then.

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It sounds similar to Sony (675) and Epson (LS10500). Maybe JVC felt they needed to do the same.
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If this is only a firmware update, then it's a savvy marketing exercise to move more units in a shorter time frame. If that's the case, it's unlikely this firmware update will be made available to the 'previous' X5000/X7000/X9000 or RS400/500/600 series.

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Looks like JVC will be making room for the new native 4k projectors come December 2017.
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If they add an input lag reduction mode I will buy one in about 3 seconds. Then I will buy the native 4k version late next yr and flip this one...

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Looks like JVC will be making room for the new native 4k projectors come December 2017.
i think you are correct!

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If they add an input lag reduction mode I will buy one in about 3 seconds. Then I will buy the native 4k version late next yr and flip this one...

I just recently started playing Mario 64 on my vintage N64 on the JVC and its glorious

Apparently, the new laser as a lower lag function, let's hope that makes it to the lamp base models next year.
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i think you are correct!
The big question is the price. How will a new lens if needed will affect the cost? With the chip being the same size, how much will that affect cost?
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Is there a Press Release ?
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Is there a Press Release ?
Links not working for me.
It is no longer available, but you can see a copy of the cache of google:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=es

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The big question is the price. How will a new lens if needed will affect the cost? With the chip being the same size, how much will that affect cost?
If you are referring to the 4K and possibly upcoming UHD models at the end of 2017, my guess will be the RS4500/Z1 will have exclusive use it's mega lens, as it is designed to maintain image quality for larger screens and has the light output to do so.

The projectors with the UHD chip(speculating) will have less light output and will be designed for 'not so large screens', these I speculate will sport a 'new improved lens'(in comparison to the current RS series lens) but significantly less costly to make than the RS4500/Z1's lens. Most likely in line with the lens cost of the current RS series.

Speculating again, but I think if JVC wished, they could drop in a UHD chip into the current RS series light engine, make the required changes to the electronics, get rid of the E-Shift element, use the existing RS series lens and have quite a decent lamp based UHD machine for the entry level. But I think they will change the cosmetics and offer an 'improved lens'(mainly for marketing reasons)

We shall see if my Crystal Ball has led me astray or is giving me the correct image(UHD) , come Sep-Oct 2017

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This is really good news if true. I know the true videophiles have already upgraded to the latest JVCs, but for most regular people with a perfectly capable 1080p PJ (like my RS46), it makes sense to wait for a 4k device. On these forums it has always been held as self-evident truth that an affordable (as on par with prices of current line), native 4K projector is "years away" at best, so given all the expert pronouncements here I will temper my expectations with healthy skepticism.
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This seems strange doing a mid year refresh. I wonder if in addition to HDR (as mentioned) they will change some boards inside (HDMI ?). If they are planning new models next fall, then I can't imagine they would change the light engine.

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If you are referring to the 4K and possibly upcoming UHD models at the end of 2017, my guess will be the RS4500/Z1 will have exclusive use it's mega lens, as it is designed to maintain image quality for larger screens and has the light output to do so.

The projectors with the UHD chip(speculating) will have less light output and will be designed for 'not so large screens', these I speculate will sport a 'new improved lens'(in comparison to the current RS series lens) but significantly less costly to make than the RS4500/Z1's lens. Most likely in line with the lens cost of the current RS series.

Speculating again, but I think if JVC wished, they could drop in a UHD chip into the current RS series light engine, make the required changes to the electronics, get rid of the E-Shift element, use the existing RS series lens and have quite a decent lamp based UHD machine for the entry level. But I think they will change the cosmetics and offer an 'improved lens'(mainly for marketing reasons)

We shall see if my Crystal Ball has led me astray or is giving me the correct image(UHD) , come Sep-Oct 2017
Drop the 4k chip into the rs500 with maybe a $2k-$3k mark up, and we have a winner.
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If they add an input lag reduction mode I will buy one in about 3 seconds. Then I will buy the native 4k version late next yr and flip this one...

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Off topic, but the Switch really needs a remake of this game. I still play it through composite quite a bit. Best 3D platformer ever.
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This seems strange doing a mid year refresh. I wonder if in addition to HDR (as mentioned) they will change some boards inside (HDMI ?). If they are planning new models next fall, then I can't imagine they would change the light engine.
I am with you on this one, there is no logical reason to wait until next March to release an updated product that only requires a software update. There is also no rational reason for a thorough hardware upgrade that close to the release of a new 4K line.

The message that I see in this is that JVC is well behind schedule with the development of the new 4K machines and have made the decision to delay the release and update the current 1080P models (software + hardware) to maintain market position.

If this is correct, it means JVC is trying to make substantial progress with the new 4K machines; and not just throwing a 4K chip in front of the light path.
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I am with you on this one, there is no logical reason to wait until next March to release an updated product that only requires a software update. There is also no rational reason for a thorough hardware upgrade that close to the release of a new 4K line.

The message that I see in this is that JVC is well behind schedule with the development of the new 4K machines and have made the decision to delay the release and update the current 1080P models (software + hardware) to maintain market position.

If this is correct, it means JVC is trying to make substantial progress with the new 4K machines; and not just throwing a 4K chip in front of the light path.
Perhaps....however note the performance of the sub RS4500 UHD machines will by marketing decision, unlikely to exceed the specs of the RS4500. By all accounts the current RS line lamp light engine is already at that level.

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This seems strange doing a mid year refresh. I wonder if in addition to HDR (as mentioned) they will change some boards inside (HDMI ?). If they are planning new models next fall, then I can't imagine they would change the light engine.
They already have the best HDMI boards of any projector in its class... None under $20k support full 18Gbps.

If they include an input lag reduction mode with this new refresh, I will buy it even if I only hold on to it for 6 months, that's something I am surely missing on these units, gaming sucks unless all processing and e-shift is turned off, even then it still sucks.

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Just because they may have the best HDMI doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement.

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Just because they may have the best HDMI doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement.
Care to enlighten me on what hardware HDMI improvement they may implement that is NOT software based (i.e. handshake time)?

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Javs, HDMI hardware aside, sometimes JVC tweak the wire grid a bit for better native contrast. They also have the option to upgrade the RS400 with the DLIA chips from the RS500/600. Currently the RS400 only uses one of three new DLIA chips. There is also room for upgrading the power supply to drive the bulbs harder for a bulb-life-be-dammed high lumen mode. DPI is famous for doing this. There are several other low cost upgrades that come to mind. You are likely already aware of this but I am putting it out there for others.

On the HDMI side of things, there is the development of a new HDMI 2.1 revision (leaked by Philips) for Dynamic HDR metadata, can it be that JVC is timing the new updates with the finalization of this standard.
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Javs, HDMI hardware aside, sometimes JVC tweak the wire grid a bit for better native contrast. They also have the option to upgrade the RS400 with the DLIA chips from the RS500/600. Currently the RS400 only uses one of three new DLIA chips. There is also room for upgrading the power supply to drive the bulbs harder for a bulb-life-be-dammed high lumen mode. DPI is famous for doing this. There are several other low cost upgrades that come to mind. You are likely already aware of this but I am putting it out there for others.

On the HDMI side of things, there is the development of a new HDMI 2.1 revision (leaked by Philips) for Dynamic HDR metadata, can it be that JVC is timing the new updates with the finalization of this standard.
Can you elaborate on the existence and use of 3 separate currently fabed DILA chips, I can understand the use of some stock of previous generation chips being used till stock is exhausted, fabing 3 separate lines of the same sized chip is illogical unless you are speaking of grading the chips based on CR performance.

My understanding of contrast variation comes from the number of wire grid polarizes used within the light engine, lower end models use less WGP than the higher end. But CR grading of chips will play apart too.

On the subject of the new models, it appears appears the information on these models has leaked out way too prematurely and will no doubt will take sales away from existing models....at least around these parts.

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We going to see discounts on the current models now?
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Agree it seems like an accidental early press release. I've heard from a trusted source that these new models have some excellent new features. It's not just a minor upgrade


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Can you elaborate?....please?!
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I am trying like heck to hold out and keep my X500, this sort of news gets the upgrade juices flowing. But deep down I know I should hold out for a 4k machine.

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