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Zorax... I can confirm what Stranger has said. One of the only things left out of the saved USER settings, is the function for screen masking. That is a stand alone function. I imagine it is that way because JVC did not consider those of us with 2:40:1 screens and our zooming/scaling the projected image depending on the format of the source image. I have a flat black wall behind my screen, so it's not too much of an issue, but otherwise it might be.

Tech manuals are not yet posted for the new projectors, but you can see the current projector manuals here... http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/i...&feature_id=11

Then keep an eye out for when they add the new manuals to this link... http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/f...l_id=MDL102506
I've mentioned this in other threads but saw this post and thought I would chime in. For those using the zoom method with a scope screen and using an Oppo UHD player, it now has a 21:9 picture mode that you can use. If you use 21:9 cropped it will do the screen masking in player for you. It also has an on the fly 16x9 mode for switching instantly to a scaled 16x9 image within the 2.40:1 frame so you don't have to change zoom for menus and such (or movies if you don't want to). It is in the public beta now and will be in the official update very soon (the actual masking isn't in the beta, but is in the upcoming official). Just FYI.
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I have noticed the tiniest bit of this DI "pumping." I watched a bunch of the Harry Potter films on blu ray and saw it a bit. Havent seen it since. Don't know if it is a function of the media.

I did see banding with CMD off on FastFurious 8 UHD lots of shots of Cipher's forehead in the airplane. A lot. Havent seen it in other UHD movies though.

So I don't know how much is from the blu ray/uhd itself ... versus the projector.
I think my DI just went nuts for a little bit. I rewatched episode 1 of Ozark last night after resetting the DI and it worked perfectly. The banding with CMD can now be fixed if you send it to Mendtronix for service.
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I've mentioned this in other threads but saw this post and thought I would chime in. For those using the zoom method with a scope screen and using an Oppo UHD player, it now has a 21:9 picture mode that you can use. If you use 21:9 cropped it will do the screen masking in player for you. It also has an on the fly 16x9 mode for switching instantly to a scaled 16x9 image within the 2.40:1 frame so you don't have to change zoom for menus and such (or movies if you don't want to). It is in the public beta now and will be in the official update very soon (the actual masking isn't in the beta, but is in the upcoming official). Just FYI.
Kris, do you know if the picture takes a hit in quality if you use the 16x9 mode for switching instantly to a scaled 16x9 image within the 2.40:1 frame so you don't have to change zoom?
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Kris, do you know if the picture takes a hit in quality if you use the 16x9 mode for switching instantly to a scaled 16x9 image within the 2.40:1 frame so you don't have to change zoom?
Well it is only doing it with scaling. I've used a similar process with my Lumagen for my screen. So of course it isn't the FULL resolution that you would get by viewing 16x9 zoomed back in properly. Ultimately it is up to you how much of a hit it takes in picture quality for the application you plan to use. Honestly, in my viewing the picture still looks fantastic and I bet most would never know it was scaled unless I said something. I use it all the time for menus or for viewing something I don't care about being critical with (music video or something). For full movies I will just use the zoom memory of the projector, but I would completely understand those that just used the convenience of the scaling instead. At the end of the day it is your system, so it is all based on your subjective experience.
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Well it is only doing it with scaling. I've used a similar process with my Lumagen for my screen. So of course it isn't the FULL resolution that you would get by viewing 16x9 zoomed back in properly. Ultimately it is up to you how much of a hit it takes in picture quality for the application you plan to use. Honestly, in my viewing the picture still looks fantastic and I bet most would never know it was scaled unless I said something. I use it all the time for menus or for viewing something I don't care about being critical with (music video or something). For full movies I will just use the zoom memory of the projector, but I would completely understand those that just used the convenience of the scaling instead. At the end of the day it is your system, so it is all based on your subjective experience.


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I've mentioned this in other threads but saw this post and thought I would chime in. For those using the zoom method with a scope screen and using an Oppo UHD player, it now has a 21:9 picture mode that you can use. If you use 21:9 cropped it will do the screen masking in player for you. It also has an on the fly 16x9 mode for switching instantly to a scaled 16x9 image within the 2.40:1 frame so you don't have to change zoom for menus and such (or movies if you don't want to). It is in the public beta now and will be in the official update very soon (the actual masking isn't in the beta, but is in the upcoming official). Just FYI.
Yeah, I've read that, sounds pretty cool. I forget, does it automatically flip to the 16x9 shrink mode when the menus are activated? Now that we've got HDR sorted out pretty well on these JVCs so the HDR->SDR mapping issues are not relevant, with just native HDR output, how does the Oppo compare to the Panasonic currently?

I originally really wanted an Oppo and was waiting on it, unfortunately they seem to be struggling a bit with the 203 development, so I ended up with the Panny and so far haven't regretted it, but some of these new developments are intriguing.
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For a straight HDR player it works great. It is also one of the only ones with no color decoding issues (chroma upsampling).


For the 16x9 mode, you just press the zoom button. It does not do auto aspect detection. The only issue I know of with the 203 is the HDR to SDR conversion, but as a straight HDR UHD player it works great.
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The only thing with the Oppo 16x9 mode for scope owners is, Warner and Paramount have their (non scope and non 4:3) Blus framed at 1:78 where the other studios are usually at 1:85 (original aspect ratio) and need to be zoomed just sightly as they currently have a slightly smaller image with the Oppo mode today. I've passed this on to Oppo to create a 1:85 mode to have along with the 16:9 (which is 1:78).

The other issue is, many of us have 2:35 screens and not 2:4 so that creates additional space around 1:78/1:85 owners. If one has enough zoom on the projector they can in essence fix this, but my zoom is already maxed out. It would be great to support 2:35 and 2.4 but that would be a lot of modes to create. They did a nice first step for all of this.
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JVC 420/520 throw distance

How accurate/ reliable is the throw distance chart in the back of the user manual? I am trying to verify I can fit one of these and I am within inches. I have a 16x9 132" screen and if I interpolate the values in the manual I calculate I will need 157 inches (rounded up) lens to screen. I have 178 inches screen to back wall so I think I should have JUST enough room with the hdmi cable sticking out the back.

What do you guys think? Do I have room to fit this projector?


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I think there is a caveat in most spec sheets that says what the lens is capable of plus or minus a certain amount. This is due to variances in manufacturing tolerances. Not all lenses are built 100% to spec. If I remember correctly JVC says the claimed throw ratio is +/- 5%. So if you're within a coupe inches it may not fit as that may be within the +/- 5% variance. But if the specific lens you get in your projector is very close to spec then it should fit.
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I just checked the current Australian pricing on the X9500, some real bargains to be had. The X9900 I would think, couldn't be priced at more than a $1000.00 more.

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I just checked the current Australian pricing on the X9500, some real bargains to be had. The X9900 I would think, couldn't be priced at more than a $1000.00 more.
All gone. That was runout pricing.

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All gone. That was runout pricing.
Do you know what the RRP of he X9900 is going to be.

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Do you know what the RRP of he X9900 is going to be.
Nobody does including JVC just yet.

I mentioned to them the price disparity with the US now, and they are thinking about what to do if anything.

My bet is the price will be the same.

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Nobody does including JVC just yet.

I mentioned to them the price disparity with the US now, and they are thinking about what to do if anything.

My bet is the price will be the same.
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Oh and we ARE getting access to the 20LTD just not sure on how many or price for thar either.

And they said to me once again they are only making 20 of them world wide.

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Oh and we ARE getting access to the 20LTD just not sure on how many or price for thar either.

And they said to me once again they are only making 20 of them world wide.
"Only making 20 of them world wide............"

As Woofer said was told as well. I wonder if that is said to create demand.

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Really thinking of picking up a 520 with the decrease in price
With the 540 coming out. I have a 133 inch High Power dalite screen would it be enough to have hdr look good? I had a rs400 but it just seemed to dark.

Anyone getting the upgrade bug I'll be checking classifieds closely
Did you have a custom curve on the 400?
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With the 540 coming out. I have a 133 inch High Power dalite screen would it be enough to have hdr look good? I had a rs400 but it just seemed to dark.
You should have absolutely no problem with a 133" High Power. You should be looking at something like maybe 60+ fL.

It sounds like your RS400 isn't calibrated right, an RS400 with an HP should be in the same ballpark too.

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I mentioned to them the price disparity with the US now, and they are thinking about what to do if anything.
I'm still wondering if the price drop in the US is "real" or if JVC just adjusted the MSRP closer to what they were actually selling for. It would be great if it's the former but that sort of seems too good to be true.
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Oh and we ARE getting access to the 20LTD just not sure on how many or price for thar either.

And they said to me once again they are only making 20 of them world wide.
At CEDIA, JVC USA said 100 units.

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You should have absolutely no problem with a 133" High Power. You should be looking at something like maybe 60+ fL.

It sounds like your RS400 isn't calibrated right, an RS400 with an HP should be in the same ballpark too.



I'm still wondering if the price drop in the US is "real" or if JVC just adjusted the MSRP closer to what they were actually selling for. It would be great if it's the former but that sort of seems too good to be true.
I do remember a few years ago, JVC announced lower pricing on the lamps and everybody thought great, until dealers reported that their cost was unchanged.

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At CEDIA, JVC USA said 100 units.
That may be, JVC told me specifically despite people in the US saying 100 units at CEDIA its actually 20.

Don't really care since its not on my radar, but that's what they said.

I really wish companies/entities communicated with each other a little more. Its pretty embarrassing all this misinformation from corporations going around.

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I need some input from RS520/620 owners regarding how loud your e-shift buzzing noise is. My 4910 e-shift is too loud to have on during movies (for gaming it is tolerable). My 4910 is extremely quiet in low lamp mode but when I turn on e-shift it really is not usable due to the noise. I am in a double wall theater room with double 5/8" sheetrock/green glue. Projector sits about 4' behind and 5' above my center seat in the front row.

If you have your JVC in low fan mode and then activate e-shift can you hear it? This may put me out of the market for a new JVC since I can't feed the JVC a 4k signal without e-shift and my Panasonic UB-900 is very soft when outputting 1080p compared to my Oppo 103d with Darbee processing on.

Not too thrilled what I am reading about the new Sony 385 so maybe I will keep my 4910 for a while longer. Ugh

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I need some input from RS520/620 owners regarding how loud your e-shift buzzing noise is. My 4910 e-shift is too loud to have on during movies (for gaming it is tolerable). My 4910 is extremely quiet in low lamp mode but when I turn on e-shift it really is not usable due to the noise. I am in a double wall theater room with double 5/8" sheetrock/green glue. Projector sits about 4' behind and 5' above my center seat in the front row.

If you have your JVC in low fan mode and then activate e-shift can you hear it? This may put me out of the market for a new JVC since I can't feed the JVC a 4k signal without e-shift and my Panasonic UB-900 is very soft when outputting 1080p compared to my Oppo 103d with Darbee processing on.

Not too thrilled what I am reading about the new Sony 385 so maybe I will keep my 4910 for a while longer. Ugh
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RS620.

Mic is basically right up against right hand side vent if looking into the lens. This is where most of the mechanical noise comes from on the units.

PJ is in low lamp, so compare it to your low lamp and you get an idea how loud the noise is in real life.

I play around with the iris settings.

At 27 seconds I engage e-shift.

turn on and off etc.

Then I go to high lamp etc.. and repeat.

See how much you may think it bugs you. Sorry its not night time here so there is a bit of a noise floor, but when I say the mic is bumped right up against the right vent im not kidding.

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Here you go.

RS620.

Mic is basically right up against right hand side vent if looking into the lens. This is where most of the mechanical noise comes from on the units.

PJ is in low lamp, so compare it to your low lamp and you get an idea how loud the noise is in real life.

I play around with the iris settings.

At 27 seconds I engage e-shift.

turn on and off etc.

Then I go to high lamp etc.. and repeat.

See how much you may think it bugs you. Sorry its not night time here so there is a bit of a noise floor, but when I say the mic is bumped right up against the right vent im not kidding.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3l5gekx5gz...Noise.m4a?dl=0

This is what I used to measure if you wanna know.

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Given all that, I will not have a chance to see a JVC in action until I actually purchase a JVC projector. I’d sure love to see one first but I’m confident based on all I’ve read and the support of folks like you that I’ll be thrilled with the performance and learn to tweak anything I need based on everyone’s feedback. I’m very grateful that all of you were able to help me confirm that I can save all settings to a USER setting to make it work in the manner our family is accustomed to. That was my big roadblock but I’m happy to hear it will all work as intended.
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I need some input from RS520/620 owners regarding how loud your e-shift buzzing noise is. :
I can confirm Javs observations. The only sounds I can hear above the very quiet fan noise on my rs520, is clicking when switching user modes which is the filter being moved in and out of the light path, and the zoom mechanism when switching between stores lens settings.

I have bought every projector I have owned "sight unseen". However, I have relied on the reports of fellow AVS forum members for every purchase and I have yet to be misled. AVS has been an excellent source of information, both as far as positive reports and critical reports. While I don't always enjoy hearing negative reports from unhappy users, those reports offer the information we all need to help us adjust our expectations and make a more informed purchase.

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I have a Stewart Studiotek 1.3 screen that is 12ftx5ft or 155" diagonal. Is the RS 520 Bright enough for this size of screen. The room is light controlled.
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I am planning to get the RS520. Does it have any problems that I should be concerned about? It would be in a 11X23ft dedicated light controlled theater. I plan to use it for 99% movies.
Is it wise to wait for the new 540?
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