Originally Posted by Andreas21
This tread is simply just a JVC bashing tread and a glorifying Sony tread. This is as clear as day for me and should be to all others!
Sony did software upgrade the 665 to give it some better features and JVC has not on the RSx00 models that is a fact, but it is not common and Sony have not done this with any of its 4K models other than the 365/665. I payed 3000$ for the motherboard upgrade upgrading my VW1000 to a 1100 an boy I have never felt so cheated in my life and it was moey down the drain. What some in here seem to forget is that the RSx00 models from JVC was the first models supporting HDR and JVC software upgraded them during the first year to support rec2020 and st2084, it was not a very good implementation of the gamma curve, but they did provide it. There might be new hardware in the newer models preventing a software upgrade to the older models, but I dont know that. But I can say for sure what JVC have done so far with the RSx00 models is simply common practice in the consumer electronics world and Sony are no better than JVC on this matter either. If it is a good practice I agree can be debated.
My point is that it is a common way to do this and all manufacturers do it and it is very rear they do what Sony did with the 365/665 and I agree they should be applauded for it. But they did nothing to the other 4K models and they cheated their VW1000 customers with a totally worthless motherboard upgrade.
Edit: Corrected and added the 365 to the Sony updated models.
Your first statement is total BS, and you know it. Tell me anywhere I have bashed JVC in this thread or anywhere else on AVS. You can't because it doesn't exist. If anyone should know about bashing a product, I would say you certainly would qualify as an expert as I see you have posted more than 90 times in the Sony SXRD bashing thread since October.
And considering you spend plenty of time bashing Sony projectors, even current units of which you don't own, it's seems totally hypocritical and biased to now have an issue with a thread that points out a fault or two with JVC.
If anything the JVC thread pointing out all the problems with CMD and how those issues have existed for years without JVC addressing them, which you quickly told everyone was unnecessary and the thread should be removed, only to be refuted over and over again, could be viewed and much more of a "bashing thread" than this thread.
I can say whatever I want about JVC or Sony or any other product I own. I own a RS4810, and RS600, and the new RS4500. In addition to 2 - Sony 5000ES projectors, a DPI Titan Reference, a DPI Highlite, and a DPI M-vision LED. I comment on the pros and cons of each. That's why my reputation for being unbiased speaks for itself.
And this notion you seem to push, that it's not common practice for manufacturers to provide product update or even upgrades is total BS too. Most Apple devices that are produced within the last 3 or 4 years can all be rolled up to their most current software.
I had an Epson LS1000 for a short time, and updated the firmware on it to deal with some issues. I have updated my 5000ES multiple times to not only address certain issues, but to also add new features.
I was able to update my DPI Titan Reference 3D to work with the Bluray 3D format, almost a year after the release of the projector, once the 3D bluray standard was finalized. Prior to that the only 3D source it was capable of was by using a computer.
Again I am not complaining that the RS600 didn't get all the new features of the RS620. My issues is that JVC leaves a unit like the RS600, in an un-finished state, by not fixing one of the major issues, which is HDR performance. The unit was touted as an HDR device compatible with HDR10 content, but without a custom Gamma, the unit does not function properly in that mode.
Does that make the RS600 a bad unit, not in the least, especially for SDR, but for HDR it certainly leaves much to be desired. And I don't buy for one second that fixing the HDR Gamma curve can't be done, because it requires some sort of hardware change, because that's just ludicrous.
And I have a feeling the only reason the JVC new flagship RS4500 is getting an update to address some of it more serious problems, is because the feedback has been such, that JVC couldn't ignore it.
I have never understood this mindset that someone has to defend their projector against any and all critique. And according to your logic, you should be thrilled with your $3000.00 Sony motherboard update. It was released to provide compatibility with their 4K server. You obviously found that update worthy of the money at the time. That board swap was offered long before UHD bluray standards were created. So based on your logic about JVC not having to fix the HDR Gamma, because the HDR10 standard wasn't finalized, you shouldn't have any problem with Sony 1100ES not fully supporting UHD bluray, considering the format wasn't even close to being finalized or released.
And the two situations are totally different anyways. The Sony 1100ES, was significantly older and would require many hardware changes to work with UHD HDR Bluray. The JVC needed nothing but a tweaked Gamma curve.
I just don't see how JVC owners, who would like to see the new RS620 HDR Gamma, also be made available to RS600 owners, can make you so upset.
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