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Sony VPL-HW65ES vs Epson 6040ub

Any thoughts on comparing these two? I've found a lot of threads comparing the 6040/5040 against the HW45ES, but with the recent sales/prices adjustments these two are now much closer together.


I'm wondering if Sony's overall reputation for better color processing and image quality outweighs the more advanced eshift and other features on the Epson.
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Any thoughts on comparing these two? I've found a lot of threads comparing the 6040/5040 against the HW45ES, but with the recent sales/prices adjustments these two are now much closer together.


I'm wondering if Sony's overall reputation for better color processing and image quality outweighs the more advanced eshift and other features on the Epson.
Epson $300 cheaper.
Epson sharper.
Epson has HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2 so can play 4K UHD BD.
Epson brighter calibrated.
Epson brighter, not calibrated.
Epson has lens memory.
Epson has adjustable manual iris for setting light output.

Contrast is about the same on both.

Sony slightly better motion.
Sony has longer warranty.

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Mike you forgot:

Epson Wide Color Gamut

Epson supports 4K through Eshift

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Mike you forgot:

Epson Mode Color Gamut

Epson supports 4K through Eshift

I sure did.

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@mjl2142 Give Mike Garrett a call or send him a PM. He can walk you through all your options and help you figure out which projector will work best for you. Mike will also have very competitive pricing on all of these models.
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Thanks everybody for the quick responses. Still debating whether to go with one of these on the price dip or to wait for the latest and greatest, but I'll definitely reach out to Mike if I get to the point of being serious about ordering.
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Thanks everybody for the quick responses. Still debating whether to go with one of these on the price dip or to wait for the latest and greatest, but I'll definitely reach out to Mike if I get to the point of being serious about ordering.
If you plan on keeping which ever projector you choose for more than a couple years, go with the Epson as it's by far the better choice when it comes to future proofing. The HW65ES really falls behind the projectors near it's price point when it comes to features you'd expect it to have in a 2017 model such as HDR support, 4K support, wide color gamut support, HDMI 2.0/HDCP2.2 ports, ect. The Sony lacks all of that and costs more than the Epson. Honestly I think the two projectors you should be considering are the JVC DLA-RS420 and the Epson 6040. Very close in price and feature set. Personally speaking, I think the JVC offers a little more value and overall image quality.
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If you plan on keeping which ever projector you choose for more than a couple years, go with the Epson as it's by far the better choice when it comes to future proofing. The HW65ES really falls behind the projectors near it's price point when it comes to features you'd expect it to have in a 2017 model such as HDR support, 4K support, wide color gamut support, HDMI 2.0/HDCP2.2 ports, ect. The Sony lacks all of that and costs more than the Epson. Honestly I think the two projectors you should be considering are the JVC DLA-RS420 and the Epson 6040. Very close in price and feature set. Personally speaking, I think the JVC offers a little more value and overall image quality.
I know the JVC and Epson definitely beat the Sony on paper and in terms of future proofing features, I've seen both of them in person and been impressed.

I guess I was wondering (since I haven't seen the Sony) if the more "core" image quality would be better despite not having those extra features, but it sounds like the consensus is that that is not the case.


One other question: are the Epson 5040 and 6040 identical from an image perspective? My understanding of the differences is that the 6040 has the below, but I'm not sure that adds up to a $1500 difference at current street prices.
  1. Extra Lamp
  2. Longer Warranty
  3. Black Color vs White
  4. ISF Calibration image presets
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I know the JVC and Epson definitely beat the Sony on paper and in terms of future proofing features, I've seen both of them in person and been impressed.

I guess I was wondering (since I haven't seen the Sony) if the more "core" image quality would be better despite not having those extra features, but it sounds like the consensus is that that is not the case.


One other question: are the Epson 5040 and 6040 identical from an image perspective? My understanding of the differences is that the 6040 has the below, but I'm not sure that adds up to a $1500 difference at current street prices.
  1. Extra Lamp
  2. Longer Warranty
  3. Black Color vs White
  4. ISF Calibration image presets
6040 has the ability to do vertical stretch for an A-lens and the 5040 does not. Other that the items listed above, the projectors are the same.

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The 6040 also has a Chief ceiling mount and a cable cover.
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I'm wondering if Sony's overall reputation for better color processing and image quality outweighs the more advanced eshift and other features on the Epson.
As a counterpoint to comments so far, I've seen both and prefer the Sony for 1080p. The Epson can go brighter I think and do pseudo 4k, but the Sony has a nice natural picture.

I'm haven't yet made a decision for what I'm going to purchase.
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I'm having the same debate as well with also the jvc 420

The price difference isn't easy between them all
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As a counterpoint to comments so far, I've seen both and prefer the Sony for 1080p. The Epson can go brighter I think and do pseudo 4k, but the Sony has a nice natural picture.

I'm haven't yet made a decision for what I'm going to purchase.
One of the advantages the Sony has over the Epson is the closer pixel spacing. SXRD and LCOS, both have a smaller pixel grid than LCD. Meaning you may have to turn E-shift on, on the Epson. Sony does not have this advantage over JVC. Still Epson has the advantage of being able to play 4K UHD, lens memory for scope screen, sharper image and brighter. That is a lot to overcome. Sony is quieter.

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Now that the price has dropped $1000 on the 65ES I think I would rather have the Sony than the Epson.

First, the Sony is a better looking projector than the Epson 5040. White is never a good look for a dark theater and the black 6040 is now more expensive.

Second the Sony is much much quieter in higher fan modes which is what I must run at higher altitude.

Third, in a side by side comparison the Sony delivers a more pleasing picture with better skin tones and more natural color. To me the Epson looks too processed looking with e-shift on and with it off it has very bad SDE effect.

Fourth, the brightness on the Epson is only better if you don't engage the color filter. So if you want WCG then you have to settle for low brightness and that defeats the purpose of HDR. In general, I like Reality Creation better than e-shift and motion processing for sports is slightly better on the Sony.

Finally, 1080p content still is predominant content available and I don't see 4K content being plentiful for at least another few years. Sure you can get new movies on Blu-ray in 4k UHD HDR but I personally don't watch a lot of new movies. Most of my content comes from Directv or streaming. Streaming only has a handful of 4k titles that I would even watch and when they are streamed in 4k they are so compressed that they might as well be 1080p.

So for now, rather than spend more for the e-shift pseudo-4K, not so HDR Epson. I think it is a better choice to buy the cheaper better SDR 1080p projector in the Sony. In a few years when true 4K hits lower price points and content is much more plentiful then it will be time to upgrade.
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the sony picture is much more film like for sure, and with reality creation looks super sharp. I have a 40es and I am still blow away with what it can do
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I'm a huge Sony fan but would still never suggest anyone buy a 65es. It's just not priced favorably compared to something more future proofed like the Epson 5040. While I believe the 65es would have a better picture with 1080p content (because I prefer the look of a Sony) paying MORE for no 4k and no motorized lens/memory is a tough pill to swallow when something as well rounded as the Epson is available.

Plenty of folks will disagree with me about the iris but IMO Sony fans should stick to the 45e unless they are jumping to the high end. Next step up is the Epson 5040 and then the JVCs if you don't intend to use their frame interpolation.

Having said that my next projector is likely to be a 365es refresh if it's announced in the fall. I doubt JVC will fix the issues with their motion by then and the 675es is too rich for my blood with no 4k frame interpolation.
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