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So many projectors with issues. What should I pick?

Sony SXRD projectors with degradation and severe contrast loss.

JVC projectors with motion issues

Epson 5040 with buggy auto lens issues

Benq with zero blacks and unreliable for years.

I NEED a projector asap. I went from a 120" S.I. Black Diamond screen to a 24" tv in my bedroom. I have suffered for the last seven months without a projector to move into a new to me home.

I have a loft where I have a 106" Black Diamond screen. Though I am also contemplating on switching to a 120" Seymour Matinee Black screen which test just as well as the Black Diamond.

I want at least 1700 lumens in a good picture mode. Calibration is not necessary for me. Im looking at open box deals for the JVC RS400, Sony 65ES, and Epson 5040.


Any and all suggestions are welcome. Thanks.
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Sony SXRD projectors with degradtion and sever contrast loss.

JVC projectors with motion issues

Epson 5040 with buggy auto lens issues

Benq with zero blacks and unreliable for years.

I NEED a projector asap. I went from a 120" S.I. Black Diamond screen to a 24" tv in my bedroom. I have suffered for the last seven months to move into a new to me home.

I have a loft where I have a 106" Black Diamond screen. Though I am also contemplating on switching to a 120" Seymour Matinee Black screen which test just as well as the Black Diamond.

Any and all suggestions are welcome. Thanks.
I watched " Fight Club " last night ( it's mental health awareness month ) on my JVC projector, and I had no " motion issues ". YMMV.
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Sony SXRD projectors with degradation and severe contrast loss.

JVC projectors with motion issues

Epson 5040 with buggy auto lens issues

Benq with zero blacks and unreliable for years.

I NEED a projector asap. I went from a 120" S.I. Black Diamond screen to a 24" tv in my bedroom. I have suffered for the last seven months to move into a new to me home.

I have a loft where I have a 106" Black Diamond screen. Though I am also contemplating on switching to a 120" Seymour Matinee Black screen which test just as well as the Black Diamond.

I want at least 1700 lumens in a good picture mode. Calibration is not necessary for me. Im looking at open box deals for the JVC RS400, Sony 65ES, and Epson 5040.


Any and all suggestions are welcome. Thanks.
What you are calling buggy motion for a lot of people is them, not liking 24p frame rate and wanting to use FI to artificially increase that rate. Also CMD on the 400, 500 and 600 series has less banding than the current models. Pretty much no one even talked about banding issues with the 400, 500 and 600 series projectors. It was not until the 420/520/620 that this was even discussed. So this was not much of an issue for over a year. The 400/500/600 projectors did not change in that time period, only some people's perception of them did. You can still go to the 500/600 thread and see that the owners are happy with the projector. In fact there are more JVC owners in that thread than any other current model projector thread. Take a look at one and decide for yourself.

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Not sure what this "Motion Issue" even is....

Why waste $ on more cheap stuff, it's like challenging a dragon with a pocket knife.
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If you are referring to the vertical banding, I thought those were only with frame interpolation on? Correct me if I'm wrong.

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If you are referring to the vertical banding, I thought those were only with frame interpolation on? Correct me if I'm wrong.
That is correct.

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Im in the same boat as OP, I need to figure out which one to get but each one seems to have an issue, but Im leaning towards an Epson 5040 or JVC 420.
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The "motion issues" you're referring to on the JVC is only with creative frame interpolation enabled (smooth motion). It can add in some occasional banding to the image. JVC is looking into issuing a software update to fix the issue.
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I watched " Fight Club " last night ( it's mental health awareness month ) on my JVC projector, and I had no " motion issues ". YMMV.
JVC dont worry about the banding I've seen it one time with cmd on and mines is 2017 rs520..
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Im in the same boat as OP, I need to figure out which one to get but each one seems to have an issue, but Im leaning towards an Epson 5040 or JVC 420.
JVC 2017 has gaming mode.. Only seen banding one time with cmd on.. If its off which is how i always use it then you'll never see it..
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I love the JVC I just purchased. I'm still playing with the settings because there are new toys on this I haven't had before, but if you just want to watch a movie, it can deliver a stunning picture virtually out of the box.
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Still very happy with my RS600. I have not seen any banding when using CMD on Low.

Native 24hz motion, more myself anyway, could be better -- but the JVC does everything else so well.

Panel degradation was the primary reason several people could not recommend a Sony projector. Though I was very impressed with the native 24hz motion handling of the 5000ES ... But at ~$60k, my RS600 still has better contrast and throws a comparable picture for a tenth of the cost.

I've been saying it quite a bit, but I will be taking a close look at Sony's offerings when it comes time to upgrade. For now, my RS600 does a very nice job of keeping wifey and I entertained.

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Im in the same boat as OP, I need to figure out which one to get but each one seems to have an issue, but Im leaning towards an Epson 5040 or JVC 420.
Read the owner's threads. That will give you an idea on what owners think. Both of those are good projectors. What your room is like, would help determine which would be better for you.

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CMD is broken on the new JVCs IMO due to the banding. JVC is looking into a fix from what we've been told. If you don't care about FI/CMD though, they are excellent projectors overall otherwise.

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The RS500 is hands down the best bang for the buck.

Especially if you aren't someone who wants to use CMD (FI). The JVC unit has issues with CMD that hopefully they can address, but if you don't use this feature it's an excellent projector.

And I personally own a Sony 5000ES, the JVC RS4500, and the JVC RS600.

For the price I am continually blown away by the performance of the RS600.

The Laser in the 4500 and 5000ES offer a stability to the image that I don't see with lamp based units. There is also a resolution and sharpness advantage with the true 4K panels, but again it's not a massive difference.

But those Laser 4K units are exponentially more expensive. On a reasonable size screen, 10' wide or smaller, the RS500 should blow you away.




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Read the owner's threads. That will give you an idea on what owners think. Both of those are good projectors. What your room is like, would help determine which would be better for you.
24x14 room L shaped room, full light control, placement wherever I want/need to have. Screen isnt decided on yet, but most likely a elite screen acousticpro uhd 120" or 135." Seating will be about 13ft from screen.
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24x14 room L shaped room, full light control, placement wherever I want/need to have. Screen isnt decided on yet, but most likely a elite screen acousticpro uhd 120" or 135." Seating will be about 13ft from screen.
When you say light control, I think dark walls and ceiling. If movies are your thing, then it is hard to beat a JVC, for the money, in that type of room.

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I just upgraded a week ago from a Sony 40ES and went with a JVC X950 at a close out price with the new units just being released. I don't have the dedicated home theater room, just a bedroom setup with medium dark grey flat coloured walls, but with a white ceiling (thinking of getting some blackout fabric to staple on the ceiling) I too am still tinkering with my settings (and will for a bit I tend to think) Anyways I LOVE IT and the first thing that blew me away were the deep saturated colours it provides. It doesn't have the automatic HDR detection or the low gaming lag of the newer units, but for the price (while at half the norm and still an expensive purchase) was worth it. There wasn't anything to say wrong with my Sony, which I have had for about 2.5 years now. I loved the shadow detail and colour it provided over my first projector purchase (Epson 8350) and finally having 3D for my blu's. Plus I never really saw the panel degradation like some did. I upgraded because of price, 4k e-shift, uptick in sharpness/colour and because I'm a very weak man and wanted a new toy. So far I find the motion handling better than the Sony, and have tried CMD a few times. I haven't notice the vertical banding concerns but I'm also not a fan of the interpolation. Have played some online Mario Kart gaming and the lag wasn't too bad or really noticeable to me. Noticed a bit more with Gears of War 4 in HDR though. Still not enough for me to want and return my new beauty.

So overall I guess I'm trying to say is get yourself a JVC projector.
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If youre on a tight budget the RS400 bstock is a rockin deal, if they are available. I love mine and its not near as good as it can be ...yet
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When you say light control, I think dark walls and ceiling. If movies are your thing, then it is hard to beat a JVC, for the money, in that type of room.
I wouldnt say perfectly dark walls and ceiling, but the colors my wife approved (its technically a family room) are a matte dark blue for the walls and its complimenting brown for the ceiling.
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I wouldnt say perfectly dark walls and ceiling, but the colors my wife approved (its technically a family room) are a matte dark blue for the walls and its complimenting brown for the ceiling.
Sounds like pretty good room, you should have a good image, with a high contrast projector.

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Epson Ls10500 seems high image quality with few reported issues. Plus gives you the stability of laser rs500/600 don't have.

DLPs also seem to have few reported reliability issues if you don't mind the lower on/off contrast.
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I want at least 1700 lumens in a good picture mode. Calibration is not necessary for me. Im looking at open box deals for the JVC RS400, Sony 65ES, and Epson 5040.

Any and all suggestions are welcome. Thanks.
Sony HW65 is only ~ 1200 lumens @ D65, Epson laser projectors a bit less than that.

RS400 is ~ 1700+ @ D65 and one of the least expensive options if you can find a B stock which comes with a full manufacturers warranty.
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Sony HW65 is only ~ 1200 lumens @ D65, Epson laser projectors a bit less than that.

RS400 is ~ 1700+ @ D65 and one of the least expensive options if you can find a B stock which comes with a full manufacturers warranty.
You can find new A-stock with spare lamps for 3K. When you consider what a spare lamp costs, that is a heck of a deal. I would go for it over a B-stock.
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Like others here, I have narrowed my choice down to the Epson 5040 and the JVC 420. Any big advantage for either one when it comes to daytime (in a moderately light controlled room) watching of sports, like football, baseball and golf? My room may be used for sports up to 30 percent of time. The is my first projector, and the use of the motion smoothing (JVC CMD) features is foreign to me. Would you typically use the motion smoothing feature when watching sports, and then see the reported artifacts?
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So many projectors with issues. What should I pick?

Said it before, but seems to be a nice time to say it again; RS420 is in a TOTALLY different league than the Epson. In Norway the JVC costs 60% more than the Epson, and people still buy the JVC due to superiour performance... The FI artifacts is really not a big bother on the JVC if you mainly use it for sports, movies should be seen in their native FPS in my opinion, but even used on movies these vertical band artifacts are not really that much of an issue. JVC might even address this in a firmware update (they should!), but still, on all other parameters the JVC is just so much better than the Epson my clear advice would be to disregard that FI issue and jump on the JVC wagon... Epson might have been a better alternative had they used their r-lcd's instead, but their regular lcd's leave you with a native contrast of less than 4000:1 vs typically 35-40.000:1 on the JVC... Plus the Epson LCD makes for possible screendoor seated too close.


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Said it before, but seems to be a nice time to say it again; RS420 is in a TOTALLY different league than the Epson. In Norway the JVC costs 60% more than the Epson, and people still buy the JVC due to superiour performance... The FI artifacts is really not a big bother on the JVC if you mainly use it for sports, movies should be seen in their native FPS in my opinion, but even used on movies these vertical band artifacts are not really that much of an issue. JVC might even address this in a firmware update (they should!), but still, on all other parameters the JVC is just so much better than the Epson my clear advice would be to disregard that FI issue and jump on the JVC wagon... Epson might have been a better alternative had they used their r-lcd's instead, but their regular lcd's leave you with a native contrast of less than 4000:1 vs typically 35-40.000:1 on the JVC... Plus the Epson LCD makes for possible screendoor seated too close.


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I agree. Heck the 400, 500 and 600 models from last year got thrown in the group, like they have some huge problem. Yet 1,000's of those models were owned by customers for well over a year and no one talked about a problem. And believe me, a lot of those owners are critical viewers.
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Like others here, I have narrowed my choice down to the Epson 5040 and the JVC 420. Any big advantage for either one when it comes to daytime (in a moderately light controlled room) watching of sports, like football, baseball and golf? My room may be used for sports up to 30 percent of time. The is my first projector, and the use of the motion smoothing (JVC CMD) features is foreign to me. Would you typically use the motion smoothing feature when watching sports, and then see the reported artifacts?
Just my experience, but the CMD banding was bad enough and bothered me enough that I accepted a refund offer on my 520 since JVC does not know when or even IF this will be fixed. You might find CMD something you enjoy using on not only your 30% sports viewing, but possibly some movies or documentaries as well. Then again you might find you don't want to use CMD, hard to say as it depends on the person.

Can you see one locally? I would suggest that and bring some known CMD banding scenes and see what you think and go from there. These projectors aren't cheap and if you do find you enjoy CMD down the road and become more sensitive to the issue, you could regret your purchase at that point possibly.

Chances are you'll be fine and the 420/520/620 are great otherwise, but best to go check one out first if you can and decide for yourself.

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I agree about going to see one, if you can. I think you will be shocked at how good of an image one of these can throw, especially in a decent room.
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