Optoma 4K500 - 4K lamp projector ($6,999 MSRP) - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 39Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 61 Old 06-21-2017, 02:52 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Frank714's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Berlin
Posts: 1,057
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 688 Post(s)
Liked: 280
Optoma 4K500 - 4K lamp projector ($6,999 MSRP)

The Optoma 4K500 4K UHD projector also delivers 8.3 million pixels on screen, 5,000 lumens, and a 1,200,000:1 contrast ratio with Dynamic Black enabled, to deliver rich blacks, vibrant and popping colors, and bright whites in any lighting environment. Horizontal and vertical lens shift, motorized zoom and focus, keystone correction, and a 2.0x zoom ratio ensure easy installation and usability from any angle. It is also equipped with a variety of inputs, including HDMI 2.0 with daisy chain support, enabling connections to multiple devices to display content to several different audiences across presentation locations.

Launching in July with an estimated end user price of $6,999, the Optoma 4K500 will be a standout choice for installers and venues looking for a versatile projector to produce stunningly detailed and bright images for a wide variety of professional applications.


http://www.avnetwork.com/avnetwork/o...or-4999/126670








"It is only about things that do not interest one that one can give a really unbiased opinion, which is no doubt the reason why an unbiased opinion is always absolutely valueless." Oscar Wilde

Last edited by Frank714; 06-21-2017 at 04:13 AM.
Frank714 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 61 Old 07-17-2017, 12:58 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Frank714's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Berlin
Posts: 1,057
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 688 Post(s)
Liked: 280
Product webpage and data sheet:

https://www.optomausa.com/projectorproduct/4k500

https://www.optomausa.com/uploads/da...0-DS-en-US.pdf

Apparently a UHD DLP projector capable of WCG: "REC.2020 will be used anytime the source content contains HDR metadata."
However, no indication of "motorized zoom and focus", only vertical and horizontal lens shift (that's what these manual control knobs near the lens are probably for).

"It is only about things that do not interest one that one can give a really unbiased opinion, which is no doubt the reason why an unbiased opinion is always absolutely valueless." Oscar Wilde
Frank714 is offline  
post #3 of 61 Old 07-17-2017, 12:27 PM
Advanced Member
 
DERG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Brown City, Michigan
Posts: 685
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 42 Post(s)
Liked: 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank714 View Post
However, no indication of "motorized zoom and focus", only vertical and horizontal lens shift (that's what these manual control knobs near the lens are probably for).
Hi Frank. Doesn't this indicate it does have motorized zoom and focus?
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Optoma 4K500.JPG
Views:	96
Size:	221.7 KB
ID:	2241905  

Marantz VP15s Projector, CIH Man-Cave Home Theater, Marantz SR 8002, Oppo BDP-103 Blu-ray Player, 6 - HSU HB-1 MK2 Front & Surrounds, 1 - HSU HC-1 MK2 Center, 2 - HSU VTF-15H Subwoofers
DERG is offline  
 
post #4 of 61 Old 07-17-2017, 02:44 PM
Member
 
GlowingGhoul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 111
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked: 26
Motorized zoom and focus is listed right at the top of the first page of the spec sheet.
GlowingGhoul is offline  
post #5 of 61 Old 07-17-2017, 03:12 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
Seegs108's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Upstate New York
Posts: 10,821
Mentioned: 48 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5166 Post(s)
Liked: 2573
Unfortunately it doesn't have motorized lens shift, which means that people looking to use the zoom method for CIH will need to rely on digital image shifting to achieve it. Is it known that vertical digital image shifting is allowed with this projector? This is not a "home theater" projector, as it's more tailored for professional installs so that is definitely not a given feature.

----------------------------------------------------------
FS: Panamorph UH480 Anamorphic Lens - $1095
Seegs108 is online now  
post #6 of 61 Old 07-17-2017, 04:51 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 148
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 133 Post(s)
Liked: 36
This is the first I've heard of this PJ. Any more details out there? How would this compare to the JVC RS520? Seems appealing to me because of DLP version of e-shift produces 8.2 million pixels.

Here's to hoping for good picture quality and low input lag!

Edit: The spec sheet specifically calls out HDR in games for Xbox One S and PS4 Pro, which is promising.

Last edited by CollectedDust; 07-17-2017 at 04:57 PM.
CollectedDust is offline  
post #7 of 61 Old 07-18-2017, 01:06 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Frank714's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Berlin
Posts: 1,057
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 688 Post(s)
Liked: 280
Quote:
Originally Posted by DERG View Post
Hi Frank. Doesn't this indicate it does have motorized zoom and focus?


I see it now. Yes, the remote control features buttons for zoom (F1) and focus (F2), but as Seegs108 stated this isn't any indication for lens shift (which obviously has to be performed manually, judging by the control knobs next to the lens).

"It is only about things that do not interest one that one can give a really unbiased opinion, which is no doubt the reason why an unbiased opinion is always absolutely valueless." Oscar Wilde
Frank714 is offline  
post #8 of 61 Old 07-18-2017, 04:02 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Ruined's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,804
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 997 Post(s)
Liked: 424
Quote:
Originally Posted by CollectedDust View Post
This is the first I've heard of this PJ. Any more details out there? How would this compare to the JVC RS520? Seems appealing to me because of DLP version of e-shift produces 8.2 million pixels.

Here's to hoping for good picture quality and low input lag!

Edit: The spec sheet specifically calls out HDR in games for Xbox One S and PS4 Pro, which is promising.
I don't think this is designed for home theater, probably haa a RGBCY color wheel.

Optoma UHZ65 4K UHD Laser ($4999, September release date) is their model designed for home theater. It will have significantly more detail/sharpness than the RS500 but significantly less contrast, as well as a laser light source instead of lamp.

Although if you just want something for games and not home theater the Optoma UHD60 4K UHD lamp ($1999) will likely fit the bill, 33ms-50ms input lag.
Ruined is offline  
post #9 of 61 Old 07-18-2017, 08:52 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 148
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 133 Post(s)
Liked: 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruined View Post
I don't think this is designed for home theater, probably haa a RGBCY color wheel.

Optoma UHZ65 4K UHD Laser ($4999, September release date) is their model designed for home theater. It will have significantly more detail/sharpness than the RS500 but significantly less contrast, as well as a laser light source instead of lamp.

Although if you just want something for games and not home theater the Optoma UHD60 4K UHD lamp ($1999) will likely fit the bill, 33ms-50ms input lag.
Thanks. Placement issues makes the UHD60 a deal breaker for me. I wanted a Sony hw675es, but I'm hearing not great things about input lag in 4k. That leaves the JVC, but I would prefer to have true 4k.
CollectedDust is offline  
post #10 of 61 Old 07-18-2017, 09:13 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
stanger89's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Marion, IA
Posts: 22,375
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3558 Post(s)
Liked: 1974
stanger89 is offline  
post #11 of 61 Old 07-18-2017, 09:17 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
Seegs108's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Upstate New York
Posts: 10,821
Mentioned: 48 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5166 Post(s)
Liked: 2573
Quote:
Originally Posted by CollectedDust View Post
Thanks. Placement issues makes the UHD60 a deal breaker for me. I wanted a Sony hw675es, but I'm hearing not great things about input lag in 4k. That leaves the JVC, but I would prefer to have true 4k.
Please don't listen to Ruined. He's never seen an RS500 in person, nor any of the XPR models he likes to tout on the forum. I spent about 2 weeks with a UHD65 and an RS500 and, by far, the JVC threw the better image. There was no sense of resolution loss on the RS500 over the UHD65 99.9% of the time. JVC's eshift system does a remarkable job. These XPR models are not true 4K either, but use a similar eshift method that the JVCs use to achieve more pixels on screen. But in practice, with your own eyes from a seated distance, you rarely can see a difference in resolution. The XPR models have the benefit of having more native resolution, but due to these DLP units having poor contrast (even by DLP standards), the image looks washed out and flat by comparison when you put the two images side by side on screen. Unfortunately, the extra native resolution does not make up for it's serious lack of contrast by comparison. The difference is shocking. Again, from someone who's actually seen these technologies in person...right now, unless you can afford the JVC RS4500 or Sony 5000ES, an eshift JVC has the best image money can buy. The UHZ65 has the same exact placement flexibility as the UHD65 (which means it's extremely limited). These XPR models are also plagued with terrible motion issues such as judder with 24p content. These XPR models seem to be too little too late. I also wouldn't count too much on this model being a winner for home theater enthusiasts as it's meant to be for commercial/professional installs which means a heavy focus will be placed on brightness, not contrast, which is what home theater units usually place emphasis on.

----------------------------------------------------------
FS: Panamorph UH480 Anamorphic Lens - $1095

Last edited by Seegs108; 07-18-2017 at 09:35 AM.
Seegs108 is online now  
post #12 of 61 Old 07-18-2017, 09:36 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
Mike Garrett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 18,712
Mentioned: 107 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6933 Post(s)
Liked: 4615
Send a message via Skype™ to Mike Garrett
Quote:
Originally Posted by DERG View Post
Hi Frank. Doesn't this indicate it does have motorized zoom and focus?
Quote:
Originally Posted by GlowingGhoul View Post
Motorized zoom and focus is listed right at the top of the first page of the spec sheet.
Spec sheet must be wrong since the projector clearly has manual lens shift knobs.

mjgarrett100@gmail.com

My Baffle wall LCR build: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-di...-tpl-150h.html
Mike Garrett is online now  
post #13 of 61 Old 07-18-2017, 09:37 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
roxiedog13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: North 48 °
Posts: 2,718
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1816 Post(s)
Liked: 752
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seegs108 View Post
Please don't listen to Ruined. He's never seen an RS500 in person, nor any of the XPR models he likes to tout on the forum. I spent about 2 weeks with a UHD65 and an RS500 and, by far, the JVC threw the better image. There was no sense of resolution loss on the RS500 over the UHD65 99.9% of the time. JVC's eshift system does a remarkable job. These XPR models are not true 4K either, but use a similar eshift method that the JVCs use to achieve more pixels on screen. But in practice, with your own eyes from a seated distance, you rarely can see a difference in resolution. The XPR models have the benefit of having more native resolution, but due these DLP units having poor contrast, the image looks washed out and flat by comparison when you put the two images side by side on screen. Unfortunately, the extra native resolution does not make up for it's serious lack of contrast by comparison. The difference is shocking. Again, from someone who's actually seen these images, right now, unless you can afford the JVC RS4500 or Sony 5000ES, an eshift JVC has best image money can buy. The UHZ65 has the same exact placement flexibility as the UHD65 (which means it's extremely limited). These XPR models are also plagued with terrible motion issues such as judder with 24p content. These XPR models seem to be too little too late. I also wouldn't count too much on this model being a winner for home theater enthusiasts as it's meant to be for commercial/professional installs which means a heavy focus will be placed on brightness, not contrast, which is what home theater units usually place emphasis on.
I disagree . The Sony VW675 has much better delineated image than the RS JVC600 and I could see it on the screen 100% of the time from a seated distance when doing critical viewing . I did side by side for over 400 hours with these . You want a better image no need to spend triple the VW675 cost or higher to get there . The Sony also benefits from not having the business of image from the PWM process the image is calm and natural from having all pixels on the screen all the time.
TheSony4KRises likes this.

Dedicated Theater: Sony VPL VW 675ESB , Panamorph Paladin Anamorphic Lens, Draper TecVision XT1800X Screen, 2.40:1 132" diagonal curved 36FT radius, Anthem 1120 AVR , 7.2.4 Atmos, Panasonic UB900, Oppo 203
Lumagen Pro 4440 , Paradigm Monitor 11 fronts, Monitor 3 Center, Monitor V7 Rear, SA-ADP In-wall Surround, Niles DS-7 In-Ceiling, Subwoofers: Klipsch RW-12 + SVS PC13-Ultra
roxiedog13 is online now  
post #14 of 61 Old 07-18-2017, 09:43 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
Seegs108's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Upstate New York
Posts: 10,821
Mentioned: 48 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5166 Post(s)
Liked: 2573
Quote:
Originally Posted by roxiedog13 View Post
I disagree . The Sony VW675 has much better delineated image than the RS JVC600 and I could see it on the screen 100% of the time from a seated distance when doing critical viewing . I did side by side for over 400 hours with these . You want a better image no need to spend triple the VW675 cost or higher to get there . The Sony also benefits from not having the business of image from the PWM process the image is calm and natural from having all pixels on the screen all the time.
SXRD panels are fed information via PWM too. Epson is the last hold-out feeding their R-LCD panels via an analog method. The issue with the 675ES is that, while the panel is native 4K, on screen you don't get true 4K due to some issues with how they drive the panel. Pulling up single pixel 4K test patterns revealed more issues than these non-native 4K XPR models showed. That right there is disturbing. They need to fix thi issue. There are several photos of this on the forum. Then factor in the potential issue with degradation and loss of contrast. It's a lot to gamble on with such an expensive purchase. Personally speaking, when I did my comparison to the Sony 4K models, I did not see the difference you're talking about, nor have people in the several other shootouts discussed here on the forum. If Sony fixes the issues with how it feeds the panels information, then it probably will have a noticeable advantage in resolution over these eshift technologies, but when will that happen?

----------------------------------------------------------
FS: Panamorph UH480 Anamorphic Lens - $1095
Seegs108 is online now  
post #15 of 61 Old 07-18-2017, 10:17 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
stanger89's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Marion, IA
Posts: 22,375
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3558 Post(s)
Liked: 1974
Quote:
Originally Posted by roxiedog13 View Post
I disagree . The Sony VW675 has much better delineated image than the RS JVC600 and I could see it on the screen 100% of the time from a seated distance when doing critical viewing . I did side by side for over 400 hours with these . You want a better image no need to spend triple the VW675 cost or higher to get there . The Sony also benefits from not having the business of image from the PWM process the image is calm and natural from having all pixels on the screen all the time.
Personally, even before we get to any of the potential issues with the Sony's (poor lens, panel driving, degradation), there's one enormous problem for the VW675 right off that bat, and that is price. In the US at least, the VW675 is at least twice the price of an RS620, and about three times the price of an RS520. That right there is a deal killer. Even if we accept that the image is sharper and more delineated, and that the degradation is "fixed" (jury's still on that one), the fact that the VW675 is $7500 to $10,000 more than a JVC, is still lamp driven, doesn't do WCG, and has 10.2Gbps HDMI inputs is a dealbreaker IMO.

If Sony USA were to price the VW675 more in line with the European and Japanese pricing, (IIRC you can import a VW550 form Japan for well under $10k, I remember the Japanese VW500's were more like $6000 or something) then the discussion would be a lot more interesting. If the VW675 were $10,000 instead of $15,000, even with SURE pricing it would make for an much more interesting discussion.
mbw23air likes this.
stanger89 is offline  
post #16 of 61 Old 07-18-2017, 11:11 AM
Advanced Member
 
David Shapiro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Highland Park,Illinois,U.S.A
Posts: 588
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 77 Post(s)
Liked: 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by stanger89 View Post
If the VW675 were $10,000 instead of $15,000, even with SURE pricing it would make for an much more interesting discussion.
No problem to find the 675 at $10,000.
I personally will wait to see if Sony releases an update to the 1100.

David
Dave Harper and roxiedog13 like this.

DES
David Shapiro is online now  
post #17 of 61 Old 07-18-2017, 11:29 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
stanger89's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Marion, IA
Posts: 22,375
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3558 Post(s)
Liked: 1974
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Shapiro View Post
No problem to find the 675 at $10,000.
I thought it was locked at $14,999 with SURE pricing.
stanger89 is offline  
post #18 of 61 Old 07-18-2017, 11:43 AM
Home Theater Lover
 
Craig Peer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 11,929
Mentioned: 35 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3998 Post(s)
Liked: 4061
Quote:
Originally Posted by stanger89 View Post
I thought it was locked at $14,999 with SURE pricing.
It's supposed to be, and Sony is firm about dealers not selling below Sure pricing, but obviously dealers do violate Sony's rules. Just don't have an invoice well below Sure pricing if you need warranty work - that pretty much burns the dealer that sold it. And maybe you.

Current home theater photos - http://www.avsforum.com/photopost/sh...hp?cat=2386514

craigpeer@earthlink.net
Craig Peer is online now  
post #19 of 61 Old 07-18-2017, 11:44 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: US
Posts: 345
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 212 Post(s)
Liked: 151
Quote:
Originally Posted by roxiedog13 View Post
I disagree . The Sony VW675 has much better delineated image than the RS JVC600 and I could see it on the screen 100% of the time from a seated distance when doing critical viewing . I did side by side for over 400 hours with these . You want a better image no need to spend triple the VW675 cost or higher to get there . The Sony also benefits from not having the business of image from the PWM process the image is calm and natural from having all pixels on the screen all the time.
I had the same experience when watching the JVC vs the Sony but the price...oh the price. They need to fix that.
mbw23air likes this.

Home Theater: Optoma UHD65, B&W 802 Nautilus, HTM1, 4-B&W 805's for surround, 4-Martin Logan 22's ceiling speakers ATMOS, 2- 18" Velodyn Subs, Marantz 8802A, MacIntosh 8207 AMP and Proceed AMP 5, Oppo 203, XBox One
BondDonBond is offline  
post #20 of 61 Old 07-19-2017, 03:24 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
roxiedog13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: North 48 °
Posts: 2,718
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1816 Post(s)
Liked: 752
Quote:
Originally Posted by stanger89 View Post
I thought it was locked at $14,999 with SURE pricing.
Street prices for the VW675 have always been reasonable and $10,000 seems to be the norm. Prices have always been inflated on the Sony to make a point. Even at $14,000 well worth every penny for increased resolution of a true 4K and calmness of image the RS600 cannot do. Uneasiness is the go with RS series be that PWM or eshift process, either way it's there . It's the reason many stick with the 675 . Arguments of bad lens , degradation posterization can never fix the fact that it has a better image on screen. Compare the two side by side doing immediate a/b and the difference is immediately seen, for delineation and calmness.
TheSony4KRises likes this.

Dedicated Theater: Sony VPL VW 675ESB , Panamorph Paladin Anamorphic Lens, Draper TecVision XT1800X Screen, 2.40:1 132" diagonal curved 36FT radius, Anthem 1120 AVR , 7.2.4 Atmos, Panasonic UB900, Oppo 203
Lumagen Pro 4440 , Paradigm Monitor 11 fronts, Monitor 3 Center, Monitor V7 Rear, SA-ADP In-wall Surround, Niles DS-7 In-Ceiling, Subwoofers: Klipsch RW-12 + SVS PC13-Ultra
roxiedog13 is online now  
post #21 of 61 Old 07-19-2017, 03:29 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
roxiedog13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: North 48 °
Posts: 2,718
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1816 Post(s)
Liked: 752
Quote:
Originally Posted by stanger89 View Post
Personally, even before we get to any of the potential issues with the Sony's (poor lens, panel driving, degradation), there's one enormous problem for the VW675 right off that bat, and that is price. In the US at least, the VW675 is at least twice the price of an RS620, and about three times the price of an RS520. That right there is a deal killer. Even if we accept that the image is sharper and more delineated, and that the degradation is "fixed" (jury's still on that one), the fact that the VW675 is $7500 to $10,000 more than a JVC, is still lamp driven, doesn't do WCG, and has 10.2Gbps HDMI inputs is a dealbreaker IMO.

If Sony USA were to price the VW675 more in line with the European and Japanese pricing, (IIRC you can import a VW550 form Japan for well under $10k, I remember the Japanese VW500's were more like $6000 or something) then the discussion would be a lot more interesting. If the VW675 were $10,000 instead of $15,000, even with SURE pricing it would make for an much more interesting discussion.
If you are comparing the RS500 to the Sony at 15K and say it is three times then the RS is $5000 . Wonder how many justify the RS4500 at 7 + times that price knowing the RS500 can beat it in many areas . Resolution must mean
a lot I suppose .
TheSony4KRises likes this.

Dedicated Theater: Sony VPL VW 675ESB , Panamorph Paladin Anamorphic Lens, Draper TecVision XT1800X Screen, 2.40:1 132" diagonal curved 36FT radius, Anthem 1120 AVR , 7.2.4 Atmos, Panasonic UB900, Oppo 203
Lumagen Pro 4440 , Paradigm Monitor 11 fronts, Monitor 3 Center, Monitor V7 Rear, SA-ADP In-wall Surround, Niles DS-7 In-Ceiling, Subwoofers: Klipsch RW-12 + SVS PC13-Ultra
roxiedog13 is online now  
post #22 of 61 Old 07-19-2017, 04:04 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
roxiedog13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: North 48 °
Posts: 2,718
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1816 Post(s)
Liked: 752
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seegs108 View Post
SXRD panels are fed information via PWM too. Epson is the last hold-out feeding their R-LCD panels via an analog method. The issue with the 675ES is that, while the panel is native 4K, on screen you don't get true 4K due to some issues with how they drive the panel. Pulling up single pixel 4K test patterns revealed more issues than these non-native 4K XPR models showed. That right there is disturbing. They need to fix thi issue. There are several photos of this on the forum. Then factor in the potential issue with degradation and loss of contrast. It's a lot to gamble on with such an expensive purchase. Personally speaking, when I did my comparison to the Sony 4K models, I did not see the difference you're talking about, nor have people in the several other shootouts discussed here on the forum. If Sony fixes the issues with how it feeds the panels information, then it probably will have a noticeable advantage in resolution over these eshift technologies, but when will that happen?
The problem with the VW675 is that it is true 4K puts a better image on the screen than any RSXXX and you don't like it. I put 425 hours on the RS600 doing side by side comparisons in every configuration possible. The 675 is the hands down winner , the RS600 has a advantage for contrast in low APL only the Sony does well every where else.

I don't need to be lectured on what these two projectors are capable of . I paid for two brand new units and put 425 hours on them, most of that dual time . The VW675 is exceptional for the price , and worth every penny . Unless I needed to light up a massive screen like the VW5000 the VW675 does the job superb .

Only thing I will agree to is the price is high but that applies to all projectors . As price goes up so does quality or performance and the consumers are well aware of it and respond appropriately .
TheSony4KRises likes this.

Dedicated Theater: Sony VPL VW 675ESB , Panamorph Paladin Anamorphic Lens, Draper TecVision XT1800X Screen, 2.40:1 132" diagonal curved 36FT radius, Anthem 1120 AVR , 7.2.4 Atmos, Panasonic UB900, Oppo 203
Lumagen Pro 4440 , Paradigm Monitor 11 fronts, Monitor 3 Center, Monitor V7 Rear, SA-ADP In-wall Surround, Niles DS-7 In-Ceiling, Subwoofers: Klipsch RW-12 + SVS PC13-Ultra
roxiedog13 is online now  
post #23 of 61 Old 07-19-2017, 04:58 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Ruined's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,804
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 997 Post(s)
Liked: 424
Quote:
Originally Posted by roxiedog13 View Post
I disagree . The Sony VW675 has much better delineated image than the RS JVC600 and I could see it on the screen 100% of the time from a seated distance when doing critical viewing . I did side by side for over 400 hours with these . You want a better image no need to spend triple the VW675 cost or higher to get there . The Sony also benefits from not having the business of image from the PWM process the image is calm and natural from having all pixels on the screen all the time.
If I were to spend in that price range I'd get the VW675ES no contest, agreed.
Ruined is offline  
post #24 of 61 Old 07-19-2017, 10:15 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
Seegs108's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Upstate New York
Posts: 10,821
Mentioned: 48 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5166 Post(s)
Liked: 2573
Quote:
Originally Posted by roxiedog13 View Post
The problem with the VW675 is that it is true 4K puts a better image on the screen than any RSXXX and you don't like it. I put 425 hours on the RS600 doing side by side comparisons in every configuration possible. The 675 is the hands down winner , the RS600 has a advantage for contrast in low APL only the Sony does well every where else.

I don't need to be lectured on what these two projectors are capable of . I paid for two brand new units and put 425 hours on them, most of that dual time . The VW675 is exceptional for the price , and worth every penny . Unless I needed to light up a massive screen like the VW5000 the VW675 does the job superb .

Only thing I will agree to is the price is high but that applies to all projectors . As price goes up so does quality or performance and the consumers are well aware of it and respond appropriately .
Lol, wut? You do realize I could have kept any of the native 4K Sony projectors when I had them here, right? I'm not lecturing you, just letting you know there are plenty of people on the forum who've done the same comparisons and came to the opposite conclusion, myself being one of them. The Sony 6xx series of projectors have too many issues and shortcomings and is ridiculously overpriced for what you end up getting before any of the issues are even considered. The fact of the matter is, while the panels themselves may be 4K, there are several issues both in hardware and software that don't allow you to get 1:1 pixel mapping on screen and as such you cannot do single pixel 4K and that is what a "true 4K" display should allow you to do. It's also lacking P3 or greater color saturation, FI at 4K resolution, 18Gbps HDMI 2.0 ports, and the lens in this model is way too cheap when you factor in the MSRP. And then there's still the issue of panel degradation looming. We were told it was taken care of two years ago and it turned out that wasn't true. Why are we to believe it's now finally taken care of especially when models claimed to have been fixed have been replaced due to panel degradation issues?

----------------------------------------------------------
FS: Panamorph UH480 Anamorphic Lens - $1095

Last edited by Seegs108; 07-19-2017 at 10:18 AM.
Seegs108 is online now  
post #25 of 61 Old 08-03-2017, 11:36 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
elmalloc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Cleveland, OH
Posts: 4,936
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 170 Post(s)
Liked: 98
I was looking for 4k500 information in this thread!

Projects:
NOT STARTED - Theater (Sim2 HT380, CIH 13ft wide).
IN PROGRESS (10%) - Home LAN (4 PCs).

Game room:
Epson 5040UBE, Denon S920W, Philips BDP7501, NVidia Shield TV, PS4 Pro, SI 110"
elmalloc is offline  
post #26 of 61 Old 08-05-2017, 12:33 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Ruined's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,804
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 997 Post(s)
Liked: 424
Quote:
Originally Posted by elmalloc View Post
I was looking for 4k500 information in this thread!
Unfortunately there isn't much available yet other than it is a brightness-optimized lamp, 5000 lumens, with motorized lens shift.

I don't believe I've seen confirmation of what color wheel is used but I would assume it is high brightness RGBCY based upon the intended Pro AV application and lumens rating.

The contrast rating is rated very low by Optoma, so again this appears to be designed for applications where one needs high lumens to counteract high ambient light.
Ruined is offline  
post #27 of 61 Old 08-16-2017, 02:41 PM
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 24
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Liked: 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruined View Post
Unfortunately there isn't much available yet other than it is a brightness-optimized lamp, 5000 lumens, with motorized lens shift.

I don't believe I've seen confirmation of what color wheel is used but I would assume it is high brightness RGBCY based upon the intended Pro AV application and lumens rating.

The contrast rating is rated very low by Optoma, so again this appears to be designed for applications where one needs high lumens to counteract high ambient light.
We just received this confirmation (not always easy to get) of the 4K500 color wheel:

"The Director of Product Management, who was copied on the initial email, finally got back to me on the question regarding the color wheel of the 4K500.

I had previously received incorrect information on the 4K500 color wheel:

The correct color wheel is the RGBCYW. I know that accuracy on this information is very important to TV Pros. Therefore, I’m providing you with this corrected information as soon as I became aware of it.

Regards,

West Region Account Manager"
Logo: Optoma Projector Expert


Keep in mind we have other Optoma documents which do say it has an RGB/RGB color wheel so we awaiting to confirm for sure.
So we are expecting more like the UHD60 contrast, however it could be more like the UHD65 even though the the contrast is rated by Optoma at 5,000:1. That is because this model is in the commercial line of Optoma and commercial projectors use a different contrast rating than their consumer products. The great news is that we are currently scheduled to have both the 4K500 and the UHZ65 here in Salt Lake on the 14th of September just prior to our Open House with both the Optoma rep and field engineer. We are planing on doing more detailed comparisons the week of the 18th. The UHZ65 ir stated by Optoma to have a wider color gamut, better contrast, and higher brightness (preliminary specs say 2,800 lumens) than the UHD65. Once we have both here along with the LS10500 and the 365ES we will pass on what we find.

News flash: we just received our first 4K500 for an early customer (educational science lab) and we are getting permission to take a quick look so hopefully more news very soon.
TVSProTed is offline  
post #28 of 61 Old 08-16-2017, 03:16 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
darinp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 4,488
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 372 Post(s)
Liked: 655
Quote:
Originally Posted by TVSProTed View Post
So we are expecting more like the UHD60 contrast, however it could be more like the UHD65 even though the the contrast is rated by Optoma at 5,000:1. That is because this model is in the commercial line of Optoma and commercial projectors use a different contrast rating than their consumer products.
They only lie a little bit?

An RGBCYW wheel seems likely for higher ANSI lumens projectors. The ICDM color signal white standard forces manufacturers to add up red, green, and blue to get an ANSI lumens numbers, so they can't just blast white or other colors that would throw the calibration off from what a calibration that gave you the proper amount of each of those primaries compared to white would report for the white level.

I'm guessing you don't have a high enough speed camera, but those with a 1000 fps camera (like one of the Casios) should be able to figure out the colorwheel segments and approximate speed by recording at 1000 fps and seeing how the individual colors change. I see an EX-FS10 on eBay for $54. I understand that there is a Sony camera that can record about 900 fps at high resolution. The Casios are super low resolution at 1000 fps.

--Darin
darinp is online now  
post #29 of 61 Old 08-17-2017, 07:10 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: US
Posts: 345
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 212 Post(s)
Liked: 151
Quote:
Originally Posted by darinp View Post
They only lie a little bit?

An RGBCYW wheel seems likely for higher ANSI lumens projectors. The ICDM color signal white standard forces manufacturers to add up red, green, and blue to get an ANSI lumens numbers, so they can't just blast white or other colors that would throw the calibration off from what a calibration that gave you the proper amount of each of those primaries compared to white would report for the white level.

I'm guessing you don't have a high enough speed camera, but those with a 1000 fps camera (like one of the Casios) should be able to figure out the colorwheel segments and approximate speed by recording at 1000 fps and seeing how the individual colors change. I see an EX-FS10 on eBay for $54. I understand that there is a Sony camera that can record about 900 fps at high resolution. The Casios are super low resolution at 1000 fps.

--Darin
Darin,

Does that mean to get the Nits we need for HDR it would need to be that color wheel no matter what? I see all the time the low contrast on the high lumen projectors but for DLP I think you are saying you also will be sacrificing color unlike other technologies. I would be curious to know for Native 4K what is the best technology that at least has the best shot at Rec2020 and HDR. In the high end forum there are people that basically say good HDR is years off for projectors.

Home Theater: Optoma UHD65, B&W 802 Nautilus, HTM1, 4-B&W 805's for surround, 4-Martin Logan 22's ceiling speakers ATMOS, 2- 18" Velodyn Subs, Marantz 8802A, MacIntosh 8207 AMP and Proceed AMP 5, Oppo 203, XBox One
BondDonBond is offline  
post #30 of 61 Old 08-17-2017, 07:44 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Ruined's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,804
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 997 Post(s)
Liked: 424
Quote:
Originally Posted by BondDonBond View Post
Darin,

Does that mean to get the Nits we need for HDR it would need to be that color wheel no matter what? I see all the time the low contrast on the high lumen projectors but for DLP I think you are saying you also will be sacrificing color unlike other technologies. I would be curious to know for Native 4K what is the best technology that at least has the best shot at Rec2020 and HDR. In the high end forum there are people that basically say good HDR is years off for projectors.
Coretronics just came out with a Red/Blue dual laser platform this year that does 12,000 lumens with high brightness wheel/rec709. This design likely will give the lumens we need for HDR even when optimized for contrast and P3, and coretronics estimated the end user cost will be in the $8k-$10k range in 2018. This will likely be the replacement for the BenQ X12000, as the X12000 was a coretronics design and this one replaces it using same chassis (coretronics abandoned colorspark led) . See below attachment from DCIFORUM.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg laser.jpg (1.95 MB, 54 views)
Dave Harper and am2model3 like this.

Last edited by Ruined; 08-17-2017 at 07:57 AM.
Ruined is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Digital Hi-End Projectors - $3,000+ USD MSRP

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off