Hey everyone! Thank you for the replies. This Theater Room is for me as well since I will be living there for 4 years while my girlfriend finishes pharmacy school. I know technology really well and have always had the latest OLED so I wanted something within the same realm because I hooked my parents on OLEDs and they know the quality now.. Will they settle for something slightly less, of course, especially if they are getting a bigger screen.
I'm updating the first post with actual pictures of the room now. Can anyone direct me to the place where I would see exactly what size screen I need in this room? It is kind of an awkward size room, but we are planning on sitting about 14 feet back from the screen. I do not want an overkill size for this room. So please direct me where I can see what size we would need. Also, keep in mind I will need to put 1 big ultra SVS towers on each side of the screen as well.
Also, can anyone direct me to the JVC projector that was mentioned as the best option for our family? I do not see where to purchase it at when googling. It always brings up other countries other than the USA. Please tell me where I can get the best deal. If you would like to PM me please do so since pricing typically can't be talked about here.
Finally, will I actually be able to play real UHD 4k blu-rays on this projector or is there no point since it is not native 4k?
Thank you everyone!
Originally Posted by Erod
To me, there's only one option in that price range. The JVC rs620.
It is clearly superior in my eyes to anything Sony or other brand puts out in that price range. Contrast, color sharpness, depth of PQ.....it's hands-down the best projector, even if it "cheats" with the pixel shift. Some complain about issues with CMD, but I don't use that stuff anyway, and with the right 4K upscale player, you get virtually 4K PQ out of simple blu ray discs.
Put in "Planet Earth II UHD" and try to find an artifact. It's as close to OLED that I've seen from a projector.
These are phone pics off my screen.
Thank you for those pictures! What if I have actual 4K UHD discs, will it not do anything with these? Would it be pointless to use these discs in my 4K player with this projector? So the JVC will beat out the Sony 4K UHD projector that is 10k dollars? Thanks
Originally Posted by Mike Garrett
If looking for OLED blacks in the projector world, the closest is JVC. Some of the other projectors have other advantages, but not in the contrast department, if contrast is what you care about.
I definitely care about contrast and blacks since I am used to my old Panny ZT60 and my current E6.
Originally Posted by SnellTHX
Then there's the X5 series JVC D-ILA projectors which have superior blacks to any Sony Projector despite costing 1/10th of its MSRP. (VW5000es)
its only 1080p but the image is still crystal sharp and contrast is higher than any non-OLED display on the market.
So for the price of a 65" OLED you get an image which is 3 or 4 times larger, blacks almost as deep, contrast almost as high and overall image quality relatively comparable.
OLED IS better, but not by that
If I had the room for it, I'd go PJ in cinema room and OLED in the living room... Any day of the week.
Thanks for your reply. I definitely agree that I should go with a projector for the cinema room and an OLED for my living room. It looks like I will go with the JVC RS620 per everyone's opinion. I just hope I can play UHD 4K's and it is worthwhile on it since it is not native 4k like other projectors.
Originally Posted by Ron Jones
While the Epson LS10500 is very good projector, I would suggest the JVC DLA-RS620 or the very similar but less expensive DLA-RS520 models. These projectors produce very high contrast with very deep blacks, with closer to OLED performance than the Epson or Sony projectors. While not a native 4K projector, with its pixel shifting technique (basically the same as what Epson is doing), the on-screen resolution is better than 1080p but just a little short of full 4K (its not really by much with real world 4K/UHD video sources). As for a screen suggestion I would look at a Stewart fixed frame screen (such as their Deluxe WallScreen) perhaps in a "scope" format (e.g. 2:35:1 aspect ratio) if the home theater will be used mainly for viewing movies. In any case, I suggest using a matte white fabric. In Stewart's regular product line that would mean their excellent StudioTek 100 (gain 1.0) or their StudioTek 130 (gain 1.3) fabric and a screen size in the range approx.110" to 125" wide
. If you go with a standard 16 x 9 aspect ratio screen this means one with a diagonal size of approx. 125" to 140" or for a ."scope" screen with a 2.35:1 aspect ratio this would mean a diagonal size of approx. 120" to 135" Stewart also offers a less expensive Cima series of screens with their Neve screen material (gain 1.1) that are also very good and is offered only in certain fixed sizes. See below for your limitations on the max. screen size.
The JVC projectors have a lens with a throw ratio of 1.4:1 up to 2.8:1 (a 2x zoom). This means the minimum throw distance required from the front of the projector's lens to the screen is 1.4 times the screen width and thus for a 125 inch wide screen the minimum throw distance is 125 x 1.4 = 175 inches or 14.58 feet. So you will need to get accurate measurements for the projector mounting options and remember the throw distance is from the front of the projector's lens and you will need to allow around 2 feet behind that for the projector itself and for ventilation behind the projector. So in your case your max. screen size may very well be limited by the constraints on projector mounting location. Also allow a few extra inches of throw distance as there can be some small variations from projector-to-projector (true for any brand of projector).
I would suggest adding a quality Ultra HD Blu-ray player such an Oppo UDP203 or for a lower price the Sony UDP-X800.
If the projector is to be ceiling mounted I would suggest a mount from the manufacturer Chief.
Also I would suggest the AV Science store as a great source for these products. I see Craig Peer posted above and I suggest you contact him for prices and advice - 877-823-4452 ext 106 --
store link: https://avscience.com/
Some links of interest:
I'm going to post actual pictures of the room. Please let me know what you would think for the projector placement and screen size. I was thinking of mounting it right where the wall dips down in the center of the room towards the back. I'm not sure how that would work with ventilation though. I will definitely look into these products. I'm definitely leaning towards the JVC RS620 per all of you guys on here. I already have the Oppo UDP 203. Will I be able to play UHD 4K's in the player and see a difference with this projector? Will it even recognize that I have a 4K UHD in? Will the picture be better than normal 4K's like on my current 4K OLED? I am assuming it won't do HDR, correct? Thanks again!
Originally Posted by Javs
Well, we had plasmas before OLED, those were quite good. Better than OLED to be honest as far as I am concerned. I will take the last gen Panasonic Plasma over the new OLEDs any day if it could have been had in 4K.
People with the 4500 are getting phenomenal fade to blacks with the laser modulation and very high DI multipliers so it really increases that base number.
I had the ZT60 and think it is pretty close to the E6 I have now. I think the E6 is actually better since it is 4K and not 1080p.
Originally Posted by SnellTHX
I am a B6 OLED owner and I can tell you that yes, you can get a projector with the picture quality of an OLED TV.
The Sony VW1100es produces OLED-esque picture but costs $30,000 ... Which sounds expensive compared to a $3000 OLED, but bear in mind that the OLED is 65" while the VW1100es could easily be 150". the cheapest 77" OLEDs are still $20,000 MSRP which is roughly 66% of the cost of a VW1100es but only 25% of the image size if you choose to project on a 150" screen.
I imagine if LG made a 100" display (still MUCH smaller than a 120" PJ, let alone 150"...) it would cost many times the cost of a VW1100es. Possibly $100,000 if not more.
Even the Sony VW1000es from 2011 is pretty close to OLED in my opinion a friend of mine has one and I've seen many movies at his place. Obviously the contrast is neither infinite nor are the blacks absolute but the contrast is still ridiculously high and punchy and blacks are very close to true blacks. Very '3D-like' image in 2D.
Obviously they don't go as bright and aren't HDR compatible but they are very close to 4K OLED especially in SDR.
The total room budget for them is $20k and that includes furniture so I really need to keep the projector cost at 10k or under so I have room to purchase another subwoofer from SVS, do the room treatments, wiring, etc. I already have an AVR, speakers, and a 4K player though. Even though I might even upgrade the AVR since mine is only 7.1 with 2 subwoofers capable. I could always start with that and see if any other speakers should be installed. I was really thinking getting a 9.1 AVR though.
Originally Posted by blee0120
Don't think you understood my post, I said for uhd BD. First time I ever heard of the Epson not needing any type of service. Didn't know it was a service free projector or that one of those exist. Also, what you are saying is that his parents don't know anything about technology and to just get them anything, even though a 140in would not provide a uhd BD experience at all. Maybe, you should not provide an opinion if you are not capable of giving a reasonable resolution. It just confuses buyers with incorrect information.
Also, I think this is the reason forum members disagree with you so much. You are corrected and you respond with negative comments. Just like you said if I am going to go to his parents house and service the projector when the bulb blows or need any repairs. Extremely uncalled for. Then, we all get hit with infractions for responding specially to you. The Espon cannot provide enough lumens for a 140in screen for uhd BD, but a 110in screen would be much better. No need to be defensive.
Thanks for your reply. I am leaning towards the JVC and like the pictures above.