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Those that have been trying to figure out if this projector will work for you, please note that the Projector central calculator is off by quite a bit.

100" diagonal 16:9 per manual: Throw range 121" to 247"
100" diagonal 16:9 per Projector Central Calculator: Throw range 126" to 259"
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Those that have been trying to figure out if this projector will work for you, please note that the Projector central calculator is off by quite a bit.

100" diagonal 16:9 per manual: Throw range 121" to 247"
100" diagonal 16:9 per Projector Central Calculator: Throw range 126" to 259"
Thanks, Mike.

Can we trust the image brightness it's calculating? My throw is 14' and have a 105'' 1.4 gain screen. Per their calculator, I'm getting 30 fL of image brightness. Guessing this will be on high lamp mode. I think I read you want a minimum of 28 fL for HDR. Is this correct?
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Thanks, Mike.

Can we trust the image brightness it's calculating? My throw is 14' and have a 105'' 1.4 gain screen. Per their calculator, I'm getting 30 fL of image brightness. Guessing this will be on high lamp mode. I think I read you want a minimum of 28 fL for HDR. Is this correct?
No. I find it is off on brightness on most of the projectors. Also have to consider what lumens is it trying to use, dynamic, calibrated or somewhere in between? You do not know.

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Some VW268 (VW285ES/VW260ES) screen shots from Planet Earth II 4K UHD disc.

VW268 (Chinese version of VW285ES) arrived today.

Previous Panasonic AX200 and (still) Sony HW50ES owner. Also had couple of weeks experience with Epson Home Cinema 5040UB and LS10500.

My setup: Player Oppo 203, through receiver Yamaha RX-V3081 (A3060), project to OS 100inch screen (1.0 Gain).

If you go close to the screen and looking for the banding issue in the sky, you do find it. But if you are not trying, you should not be bothered during normal viewing.



A full screen and then zoom in:



Another full screen and then zoom in:



Some screen shots just for fun (darker and more saturated than actual look):






Some early observations so far (only with Planet Earth II):

1. Powered lens does not respond to single click on the button, which is not a good news for people like me who are hoping to program our universal remote to simulate the lens memory.
No response to single click also means it is a little harder to do the precise focusing, because you will need to "run" towards the sweet point and hope to stop right at it. Epson on the other hand, responds to single click.

2. Fan noise is kind of loud considering the size of the machine. HW50ES is much smaller but nearly silent in Low mode. VW268's Low mode can be heard (I'm sitting right under the machine). For HDR you will want the High mode, which is loud as any High mode.

3. Banding is there with 4K 24P HDR10, which I can live with it (or have to).

4. My unit has somewhat more than normal green pixel leakage when doing the Panel Adjustment (If you had worked with Panel Ajustment before, you will know what I mean). This cannot be corrected and may be the reason so hard to spot the single pixel definition? Or it's just because 4K, the pixel definition too small?

Only got 3 4K titles. Will try more FHD and 3D titles tomorrow.
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Those that have been trying to figure out if this projector will work for you, please note that the Projector central calculator is off by quite a bit.

100" diagonal 16:9 per manual: Throw range 121" to 247"
100" diagonal 16:9 per Projector Central Calculator: Throw range 126" to 259"

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VW268 (Chinese version of VW285ES) arrived today.

Previous Panasonic AX200 and (still) Sony HW50ES owner. Also had couple of weeks experience with Epson Home Cinema 5040UB and LS10500.

My setup: Player Oppo 203, through receiver Yamaha RX-V3081 (A3060), project to OS 100inch screen (1.0 Gain).

If you go close to the screen and looking for the banding issue in the sky, you do find it. But if you are not trying, you should not be bothered during normal viewing.



A full screen and then zoom in:



Another full screen and then zoom in:



Some screen shots just for fun:






Some early observations so far (only with Planet Earth II):

1. Powered lens does not respond to single click on the button, which is not a good news for people like me who are hoping to program our universal remote to simulate the lens memory.
No response to single click also means it is a little harder to do the precise focusing, because you will need to "run" towards the sweet point and hope to stop right at it. Epson on the other hand, responds to single click.

2. Fan noise is kind of loud considering the size of the machine. HW50ES is much smaller but nearly silent in Low mode. VW268's Low mode can be heard (I'm sitting right under the machine). For HDR you will want the High mode, which is loud as any High mode.

3. Banding is there with 4K 24P HDR10, which I can live with it (or have to).

4. My unit has somewhat more than normal green pixel leakage when doing the Panel Adjustment (If you had worked with Panel Ajustment before, you will know what I mean). This cannot be corrected and may be the reason so hard to spot the single pixel definition? Or it's just because 4K, the pixel definition too small?

Only got 3 4K titles. Will try more FHD and 3D titles tomorrow.
Thanks. I still haven't noticed the banding issue but agree to other points. Will try 4k
60hz HDR later.

Which mode do you use for HDR contents? And settings? When watching uhd "shallows" I found the color and brightness are awful...But for other HDR contents like some Samsung commercials , they are great.
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Thanks. I still haven't noticed the banding issue but agree to other points. Will try 4k
60hz HDR later.

Which mode do you use for HDR contents? And settings? When watching uhd "shallows" I found the color and brightness are awful...But for other HDR contents like some Samsung commercials , they are great.
Cinema Film 1 (the first one on the menu). Only change is to raise the Contrast(HDR) from default 60 to 80.

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Seen a 4K sony projector for first time today. I noticed around the lens is big gaps,wide open and you can see into the projector itself? Is that design for cooling? Looks weird, as every projector ive seen has been sealed. Seems bad for dust etc? Or is everything sealed on the inside so makes no difference?
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...Previous Panasonic AX200 and (still) Sony HW50ES owner. Also had couple of weeks experience with Epson Home Cinema 5040UB and LS10500.

In your opinion how does it match up against what you saw on the two Epson's? Are you happy with the projector so far?
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Some screen shots just for fun:

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Hi, does this photo closely represent what you're seeing in person? I watched this last night and there should be a lot more shadow detail to the right of the komodo dragon.

have you tried adjusting the HDR Contrast Slider to see what difference it makes in the image?

thanks for the info.
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...Previous Panasonic AX200 and (still) Sony HW50ES owner. Also had couple of weeks experience with Epson Home Cinema 5040UB and LS10500.

In your opinion how does it match up against what you saw on the two Epson's? Are you happy with the projector so far?
I'm happy so far. I know what I should expect from Sony's low end 4K .

Picture quality
VW268's picuture is more refined and elegant compared to Home Cinema 5040UB.
But LS10500 is a very refined projector itself - motion, 3D, pannel precision etc. So I would say for picture quality, VW268 and LS10500 are very much alike.

3D
VW268 has a smoother 3D than 5040UB, but a tiny less smoother than LS10500 if I recall correctly.
No Crosstalk on VW268 and LS10500, very few on 5040UB. But 5040UB has way more brightness which makes 3D viewing no stress at all.

Feature
5040UB and LS10500 have memory lens which is missed on VW268.
But the powered lens itself make it day and night when doing the lens shift/zooming/focusing. So I'm good already.

5040UB has DI, LS10500 has laser lamp, so they can be both blacker when it is truely black.
However I don't have a dedicated theater room, so it is not that important.

I had hoped my VW268 would have a more precise panel, but it has some greenish leakage severer than 5040UB/LS10500 I reviewed.

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Hi, does this photo closely represent what you're seeing in person? I watched this last night and there should be a lot more shadow detail to the right of the komodo dragon.

have you tried adjusting the HDR Contrast Slider to see what difference it makes in the image?

thanks for the info.
No. Like I said, these photos are just for fun. I didn't play with the camera setting too much, so the pictures are darker and more saturate than they actually look.
But thanks for the reminder - Maybe I should only keep the "looking for banding" ones?

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No. Like I said, these photos are just for fun. I didn't play with the camera setting too much, so the pictures are darker and more saturate than they actually look.
But thanks for the reminder - Maybe I should only keep the "looking for banding" ones?
Thanks for the info. please let us know your feedback on the HDR slider and the effect on the overall image.

When you mentioned greenish leakage, are you referring to grey field uniformity?
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I'm happy so far. I know what I should expect from Sony's low end 4K .

Picture quality
VW268's picuture is more refined and elegant compared to Home Cinema 5040UB.
But LS10500 is a very refined projector itself - motion, 3D, pannel precision etc. So I would say for picture quality, VW268 and LS10500 are very much alike.

3D
VW268 has a smoother 3D than 5040UB, but a tiny less smoother than LS10500 if I recall correctly.
No Crosstalk on VW268 and LS10500, very few on 5040UB. But 5040UB has way more brightness which makes 3D viewing no stress at all.

Feature
5040UB and LS10500 have memory lens which is missed on VW268.
But the powered lens itself make it day and night when doing the lens shift/zooming/focusing. So I'm good already.

5040UB has DI, LS10500 has laser lamp, so they can be both blacker when it is truely black.
However I don't have a dedicated theater room, so it is not that important.

I had hoped my VW268 would have a more precise panel, but it has some greenish leakage severer than 5040UB/LS10500 I reviewed.
Dupin,

I am very interested in the Sony 385 (I know you have the 285, fan and sharpness should be the same as 385) but I have concerns if you are not seeing a visible improvement when watching a 4k UHD disc over your previous Epson. Also need to understand low lamp fan noise better. In order to compare I can barely hear my JVC fan from 5ft away in low fan mode, with the sound muted on the processor. (This is in a dedicated, double wall, double sheet rock, very quiet room).

I really, really want the 385 to work out for me but I am expecting a nice increase in resolution.

What are your screen dimensions and how far away do you sit?

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I asked this over in the 285/385 thread but thought I'd ask here,

Any owners have a chance to test these and share pics?

Here is a test pattern.

10 bit Gradient Test Patterns

Here is some 60hz 10 bit HDR 4K content http://4kmedia.org/the-world-in-hdr-uhd-4k-demo/. This should melt your face with awesome. Links from, http://4kmedia.org

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I'm happy so far. I know what I should expect from Sony's low end 4K .
Dupin can you make a comparison vs sony hw50es please?
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I'm happy so far. I know what I should expect from Sony's low end 4K .

Picture quality
VW268's picuture is more refined and elegant compared to Home Cinema 5040UB.
But LS10500 is a very refined projector itself - motion, 3D, pannel precision etc. So I would say for picture quality, VW268 and LS10500 are very much alike.

3D
VW268 has a smoother 3D than 5040UB, but a tiny less smoother than LS10500 if I recall correctly.
No Crosstalk on VW268 and LS10500, very few on 5040UB. But 5040UB has way more brightness which makes 3D viewing no stress at all.

Feature
5040UB and LS10500 have memory lens which is missed on VW268.
But the powered lens itself make it day and night when doing the lens shift/zooming/focusing. So I'm good already.

5040UB has DI, LS10500 has laser lamp, so they can be both blacker when it is truely black.
However I don't have a dedicated theater room, so it is not that important.

I had hoped my VW268 would have a more precise panel, but it has some greenish leakage severer than 5040UB/LS10500 I reviewed.

Thanks for the feedback!
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Dupin,

I am very interested in the Sony 385 (I know you have the 285, fan and sharpness should be the same as 385) but I have concerns if you are not seeing a visible improvement when watching a 4k UHD disc over your previous Epson. Also need to understand low lamp fan noise better. In order to compare I can barely hear my JVC fan from 5ft away in low fan mode, with the sound muted on the processor. (This is in a dedicated, double wall, double sheet rock, very quiet room).

I really, really want the 385 to work out for me but I am expecting a nice increase in resolution.

What are your screen dimensions and how far away do you sit?
Answered some of your questions in 385 owner thread

My screen is 100" 16:9 and I sit 12 feet away.

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Thanks for the info. please let us know your feedback on the HDR slider and the effect on the overall image.

When you mentioned greenish leakage, are you referring to grey field uniformity?
OK, sure, I will play with HDR slider more tonight and report back.

The greenish leakage just refers to the one direction blurring of green pixel, when I was doing panel adjustment.
I will take a photo tonight so you will know what I mean.
Haven't got chance to test any pattern so far.

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Dupin can you make a comparison vs sony hw50es please?
HW50ES is not so sharp even among 1080p machines, I will have to enable Reality Creation and set Resolution to 20, in order to make the picture satisfactorily sharp.
And even with RC Resolution set to 0, you can see a big difference on apparent sharpness (between set to 0 and set to off).

VW268 on the other hand, I have to raise the RC Resolution quite a bit to see the difference between set to on and set to off.

In short, HW50ES needs Reality Creation's help to look sharp. VW268 is sharp at first place.

The other big improvement is 3D. Cross-talk sometimes bothers me on HW50ES was minimized on VW268.
When RC set to 0, the unnatural and stiff edges of human faces are gone. 3D is more enjoyable.

Other picture quality is comparable, color accuracy, smooth motion etc.

The powered lens on VW268 is pleasant to use (although it does not respond to single press, you will have to hold down the button to activate).
HW50ES is all bit pain due to the tight manual lens shift control, zoom and focus ring.

HW50ES's silent fan operation will surely be missed.
Unlike HW50ES, VW268 is now a "normal" projector regarding fan noise.

And it's all but taste - I like the Exterior design of HW50ES more than VW268.
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I asked this over in the "Sony VPL-VW285ES and VW385ES 4K HDR Projectors at CEDIA 2017" thread but thought I'd ask here.

Does each of the motorized lens functions of the Sony VPL-VW285ES ( horizontal shift, vertical shift, zoom, focus) show up in the on-screen display as numeric values on a graded scale ? For example, a range from -10, 0, +10 ?

If so, even without the lens memory, this would allow us to just write down ourselves (on a spreadsheet or a piece of paper...) each numeric value of H/V shift, zoom, focus, for each desired aspect ratio setup.

Since the lens is motorized, to change aspect ratio it would be as easy as dialing in with remote control the specific known numeric values of H/V shift, zoom, focus for that setting, and done !!!

It would be like having lens memory on an external spreadsheet, instead of built-in lens memory.
Less convenient, but it would still work.

Can the owners confirm this, if each of the motorized lens functions of the Sony VPL-VW285ES (shift/zoom/focus) show up in the on-screen display as numeric values on a graded scale ?
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I asked this over in the "Sony VPL-VW285ES and VW385ES 4K HDR Projectors at CEDIA 2017" thread but thought I'd ask here.

Does each of the motorized lens functions of the Sony VPL-VW285ES ( horizontal shift, vertical shift, zoom, focus) show up in the on-screen display as numeric values on a graded scale ? For example, a range from -10, 0, +10 ?

If so, even without the lens memory, this would allow us to just write down ourselves (on a spreadsheet or a piece of paper...) each numeric value of H/V shift, zoom, focus, for each desired aspect ratio setup.

Since the lens is motorized, to change aspect ratio it would be as easy as dialing in with remote control the specific known numeric values of H/V shift, zoom, focus for that setting, and done !!!

It would be like having lens memory on an external spreadsheet, instead of built-in lens memory.
Less convenient, but it would still work.

Can the owners confirm this, if each of the motorized lens functions of the Sony VPL-VW285ES (shift/zoom/focus) show up in the on-screen display as numeric values on a graded scale ?
The answer is no digital indication on shift/zoom/focus.
And please also note Sony does not respond to single press on a button. So it is hard to program "times" of button press to achieve the lens movements you needed.
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Hmmm, I'm really contemplating this projector too.

Currently I own a HW40ES, I loved it and still do. But I'm up for an upgrade. And it's hard to choose between this and the JVC X7900/RS540. What I'd really love is a laser projector that does 4k at a reasonable price.

But, is either projector going to be a sufficient upgrade for me? Is the difference going to be obvious enough to justify the 5k pricetag?

I'm mostly gaming on my projector, so 4k is going to be a standout, as aliasing and polygonal complexity (Scenery complexity) will be much more obvious when gaming than it is on normal video material.
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HW50ES is not so sharp even among 1080p machines, I will have to enable Reality Creation and set Resolution to 20, in order to make the picture satisfactorily sharp.
And even with RC Resolution set to 0, you can see a big difference on apparent sharpness (between set to 0 and set to off).

VW268 on the other hand, I have to raise the RC Resolution quite a bit to see the difference between set to on and set to off.

In short, HW50ES needs Reality Creation's help to look sharp. VW268 is sharp at first place.

The other big improvement is 3D. Cross-talk sometimes bothers me on HW50ES was minimized on VW268.
When RC set to 0, the unnatural and stiff edges of human faces are gone. 3D is more enjoyable.

Other picture quality is comparable, color accuracy, smooth motion etc.

The powered lens on VW268 is pleasant to use (although it does not respond to single press, you will have to hold down the button to activate).
HW50ES is all bit pain due to the tight manual lens shift control, zoom and focus ring.

HW50ES's silent fan operation will surely be missed.
Unlike HW50ES, VW268 is now a "normal" projector regarding fan noise.

And it's all but taste - I like the Exterior design of HW50ES more than VW268.
Regarding the focus, have you tried really quick taps on the remote, on my VW520 and 1000 if I tap quickly the lens adjust in really small steps.
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Hmmm, I'm really contemplating this projector too.

Currently I own a HW40ES, I loved it and still do. But I'm up for an upgrade. And it's hard to choose between this and the JVC X7900/RS540. What I'd really love is a laser projector that does 4k at a reasonable price.

But, is either projector going to be a sufficient upgrade for me? Is the difference going to be obvious enough to justify the 5k pricetag?

I'm mostly gaming on my projector, so 4k is going to be a standout, as aliasing and polygonal complexity (Scenery complexity) will be much more obvious when gaming than it is on normal video material.
You and I are in a similar boat. I have the Sony HW65 but if I really do the math, I game more than anything else. I am eye balling the 285 ES (no DI and not 18GB HDMI) or JVC 540 (not 4K native and more lag than Sony) but they both feel like compromises that might last 1 to 2 years but not really what I am after. So question becomes do I wait another year or two and hope that what I really want comes into my price range (probably 5 to 7K). Also holding out hope the Epson LS10500 replacement might come out and fit the bill.
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Got to spend some time with the 285/260 over weekend. Only got to test blurays and 3D. Was in complete light controlled room. No calibration but i did try multiple modes starting with Reference.
I have recently owned briefly a JVC 420 (x5500) and a Epson 5040 (9300). Here or my brief thoughts for what there worth. I must note i'm a casual user and i always get people to calibrate for me.

Motion: I experimented a lot with Motion flow: smooth low, true cinema and off etc. I found the Sony to feel more natural/ Filmic with motion compared to the JVC and Epson. That was with motion flow off and also with true cinema. With Smooth low i felt sometimes it helped the image other times not. Hard to describe but Felt inconsistent. Sometimes it seemed to do nothing then id see a hint of SOE or id notice maybe something off perhaps a artifact. Overall native motion with no motion flow i found to be above the JVC/Epson but not by a great deal. I found Smooth low much better than JVC and Epson Low equilavant. This is probably As expected. In terms of motion of last few projectors i have demo/ owned the Sony has been the best but not by much.

Sharpness/ Panel: Could hardly make out single pixels and could see no fringing at all. Using the Zoom and shift looked easy as expected. Focus though was bit more difficult. Seemed you had to hold the button to focus faster and slam on the breaks when you was close and try to then adjust. I prefer manual focus if i'm being honest just feels more accurate. Powered Zoom and shift is great though. I detected no issues such as uneven focus/ brightness etc but of course run no test patterns as such. As i didn't try true 4K content i cant say how truly sharp it was. Up close to the screen its not contest between the Sony and others i mentioned earlier in terms of Screen Door Effect. But at seating distance Screen Door effect has never bothered me on any projector.

The Sony Sharpness feels more natural. Experimented RC and sharpness etc. Feels you have to really pump them up to get a image that is too harsh. I found with the JVC and Epson they would give a too harsh digital image if you tried to improve sharpness with them. While the Sony with RC on Min and Sharpness set very low still gives a natural looking sharpness. RC @ 30 and sharpness around 10-15 seemed about right for Blu-rays.

My memory is saying when the image is static the JVC felt around the same at seating distance. Of course with true 4K content i imagine that would change a lot.

3D/ HDR : First time i have seen 3D with so little crosstalk. Sadly the brightness is not good enough, especially at 120" or above. The Epson 5040 i had was horrible with cross talk but was a lot brighter. Never got the chance to try the JVC which may have been the right mix of brightness and little to no cross talk. As it stands i just find a brighter crisper 2D image trumps a dim 3D image. I think i'm going to give up 3D. Never have i seen 3D in cinema blow me away and at home i've not had a good experience.

Didn't try any HDR content but if 3D is too dim for me then i doubt id find HDR to acceptable. Again on smaller screens maybe it would be fine but i like a slightly brighter image than normal.

PS4 Pro gaming. Switching the PS4 Pro to 4K 4:2:0 and first thing that hit me was the banding. This was on the main animated home page background of the PS4 Pro Running at 1080@60 4:4:4 no banding
Tried Destiny 2. No issues with input lag, think i've read it can as low as 15ms. Appeared smooth and image looked good. So for 1080p @ 4:4:4 no issues but at 4K@60 4:2:0 , prepare for some banding.

Brightness/Contrast/Black levels: I like a brighter image than most. I feel, especially after calibration this just doesnt have the lumens for bright 3D or good HDR on screens 120" and larger. Again that is just a personal preference.

In 2D though i found it fine in Low. Actually Noise levels in Low and high i found not a problem. The JVC had much more brightness to spare but high power was too loud.
In terms of Blacks levels i found the Sony to be acceptable. I think the word is convincing, at no stage did i feel that something looked grey or i even thought the black borders looked decent. I had to adjust few things to get shadow detail touch more visable though but after a full calibration with correct gamma etc i think it black level and shadow detail would be decent.

Contrast: I have to admit i thought i wouldn't notice much difference in contrast between the JVC 420 and the Sony but my memory is feeling like JVC was quite a step up. Running same demo blu-ray scenes i normally do and memory telling me the JVC was a good step better. Wish i could have run them side by side. Possible the extra brightness of the JVC is effecting my memory more.

So after all that rambling of thoughts the hunt continues for a new projector....

In a ideal world there would be a projector that had the 4K panel with natural sharpness and filmic motion of the Sonybut with the contrast and brightness of something like the JVC 520. It would have the low input lag and 18gbs HDMI for gaming at 4K@604:4:4. At the cost of a 285
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