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Official JVC - 20LTD - RS640 (x990/x9900) - RS540 (X790/x7900) - Owners Thread



JVC D-ILA Top Menu
http://dila.jvc.com/

Procision Series Projectors
http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/c...oductId=PRO6.1

RS Series Custom Installer Projectors
http://procision.jvc.com/product.jsp?pathId=71


JVC Projectors Announced at CEDIA 9/2017

JVC Announcements
http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2017/consu...rojectors.html
http://www.avsforum.com/jvc-projectors-cedia-2017/

20LTD
http://uk.jvc.com/news/press/dla20ltd/

RS640/X990/X9900
http://procision.jvc.com/product.jsp...hId=71&page=10
http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/f...l_id=MDL102506

RS540/X790/X7900
http://procision.jvc.com/product.jsp...hId=71&page=10
http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/f...l_id=MDL102505



Links for Projector Owners


Owners Manual X Series
http://www.blanca.com/JVC/Manuals/Ow...5A-2360-02.pdf

Owners Manual RS Series
http://www.blanca.com/JVC/Manuals/Ow...5A-2360-0C.pdf


Quick User Guide X Series
http://www.blanca.com/JVC/Manuals/Qu...5A-2358-01.pdf

Quick User Guide RS Series
http://www.blanca.com/JVC/Manuals/Qu...5A-2358-05.pdf


Safety Precautions X Series
http://www.blanca.com/JVC/Manuals/Sa...5A-2359-01.pdf

Safety Precautions RS Series
http://www.blanca.com/JVC/Manuals/Sa...5A-2359-01.pdf



JVC Auto Calibration Software Download
http://www3.jvckenwood.com/english/d...ationsoft.html


Mounting Hardware:
http://www.chiefmfg.com/Products/slb281
http://www.chiefmfg.com/Products/RPA281
http://www.chiefmfg.com/Products/RPMA281
http://www.chiefmfg.com/Series/Extension-Fixed
http://www.chiefmfg.com/Series/Extension-Adjustable


Product Sheet .pdf files among attachments.


Additional Links
http://www.projectorreviews.com/revi...booth-new-jvc/
http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2017/consu...rojectors.html

http://www3.jvckenwood.com/press/201...90r_x590r.html (Japanese)
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Grats!

I hope to have my X9900 in a couple weeks and will be doing an in depth shootout between it and my X9500.
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Can you add the 20LTD to the title as well? ..and perhaps just like in the past the 440 should have it's own thread.
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Maybe RBooster can change the actual TITLE which I can not do.
Please ask a moderator to do it.
Also don't delay your first impressions on eShift 5

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Can you add the 20LTD to the title as well? ..and perhaps just like in the past the 440 should have it's own thread.
Actually yeah the 440/590/5900 needs its own thread. It does not share a whole host of features with the higher models.

No P3 filter, no dual iris, no lens cover, no THX etc... significantly different contrast levels etc

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Can't wait to see how eshift 5 compares, according to JVC it seems they have pretty much perfected the tech and also fixed the bugs and added the missing features to this refresh. Shame I have to wait another couple of months for my LTD.

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Can't wait to see how eshift 5 compares, according to JVC it seems they have pretty much perfected the tech and also fixed the bugs and added the missing features to this refresh.
What movie scenes are recommended to best check for the noise attributed to eshift? I think I might have seen some of the noise in some sky screens in guardians of the galaxy v2.

If there are any hd bd titles I can use to switch in and out of eshift, I'll try that too.

I am really interested to see how switching the P3 filter out (HDR Bright Mode)works to gain some lumens, and see how much color tracking is affected. Will the loss of some saturation be apparent?

I don't expect for the st2084 gamma adjustments to work differently, but we'll see. I never got around to doing an auto cal or use arve tool to create a custom curve, but i will be watching closely what Javs and others do and follow their lead. I'd love to for this owner's thread to eventually host some adjustments which might work across projectors.

I'm interested in seeing how focusing is improved without needing to disable eshift, as well as how the 640 lens compares to the 520.

I will confirm the cmd fix, and also check to see if the frame interpolation works the same.

I welcome suggestions for other things to check.

Also, maybe the 20ltd will be ahead of schedule. I don't think anyone was expecting the other models to arrive this early. Maybe it's a good sign for all.
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What movie scenes are recommended to best check for the noise attributed to eshift? I think I might have seen some of the noise in some sky screens in guardians of the galaxy v2.
Last night I was watching The Matrix Revolutions and I saw quite a bit of noise there at the beginning when they are in the hovercraft, look at their faces.

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Grats!

I hope to have my X9900 in a couple weeks and will be doing an in depth shootout between it and my X9500.
I know its some time until i receive my 20LTD ( Hopefully mid December) , but i have discussed with @Javs and will arrange to send it to him to enable him to do a comprehensive comparison against his X9900 and the X9500..
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I know its some time until i receive my 20LTD ( Hopefully mid December) , but i have discussed with @Javs and will arrange to send it to him to enable him to do a comprehensive comparison against his X9900 and the X9500..
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I know its some time until i receive my 20LTD ( Hopefully mid December) , but i have discussed with @Javs and will arrange to send it to him to enable him to do a comprehensive comparison against his X9900 and the X9500..
Nice! I guess you will try and get some hours on the LTD before shipping it up to Javs.

Curious to see at what brightness the max contrast is achieved on the X9900 vs the LTD. Wondering if the LTD's irises are shut down that much more. Javs is sure to uncover the secrets.

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Nice! I guess you will try and get some hours on the LTD before shipping it up to Javs.

Curious to see at what brightness the max contrast is achieved on the X9900 vs the LTD. Wondering if the LTD's irises are shut down that much more. Javs is sure to uncover the secrets.

Look forward to his findings.
Yep, will put a hundred or so hours on it ( wont take long) then arrange to send it to him...
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Nice! I guess you will try and get some hours on the LTD before shipping it up to Javs.

Curious to see at what brightness the max contrast is achieved on the X9900 vs the LTD. Wondering if the LTD's irises are shut down that much more. Javs is sure to uncover the secrets.

Look forward to his findings.
I think it's due to the panels otherwise if it doesn't reach deeper at the same iris settings it wouldn't be much of an advantage?

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I think it's due to the panels otherwise if it doesn't reach deeper at the same iris settings it wouldn't be much of an advantage?
If it is the light engine(less irises) panels/light path components, then there is a possibility this level of performance will filter down to the X9900 down the track.

The speculative little devil in me says, the easiest way to meet this LTD spec is to reduce the aperture a bit more, although at a lower light output.

None of us will experience max contrast unless we are at the longest throw, with the irises clamped down, projecting on to 90" screens.

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Yep, will put a hundred or so hours on it ( wont take long) then arrange to send it to him...
Do 200.

Droop will be hitting hard by then. I rather wait for the best time, get your droop totally sorted when you send it, not when its going to keep slipping for another 200 hours... Which is may do so anyway.

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If it is the light engine(less irises) panels/light path components, then there is a possibility this level of performance will filter down to the X9900 down the track.

The speculative little devil in me says, the easiest way to meet this LTD spec is to reduce the aperture a bit more, although at a lower light output.

None of us will experience max contrast unless we are at the longest throw, with the irises clamped down, projecting on to 90" screens.
No but if you look at the 7900 vs 9900 or the 7500 vs 9500, the contrast is not just more at the low end, it begins right from wide open iris.

The 7500 vs 9500 can/does have as much as 10/20,000:1 more on/off wide open (sample variance) and up to 40/60k sometimes more iris closed... the benefits are felt all the way through the range.

At my light output I use now, at completely minimum throw, I used to get a measely 55k:1 at 15fl on my X7000. My 9500 in the same exact spot is hitting about 85k:1 in the same 15fl... Sure I probably had a 'weak' 7000, but it goes to show the premium you pay for the best is certainly real.
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If it is the light engine(less irises) panels/light path components, then there is a possibility this level of performance will filter down to the X9900 down the track.

The speculative little devil in me says, the easiest way to meet this LTD spec is to reduce the aperture a bit more, although at a lower light output.

None of us will experience max contrast unless we are at the longest throw, with the irises clamped down, projecting on to 90" screens.
Well I hope you are wrong BTW that is one of the reasons why I am building a complete new cinema building to suit the best PJ throw distance/location and get the best out of my equipment etc..
We shall see, it's only a shame though that we have to wait much longer for this beast to arrive, I believe that is due to a separate production run which might be a good thing!
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Do 200.

Droop will be hitting hard by then. I rather wait for the best time, get your droop totally sorted when you send it, not when its going to keep slipping for another 200 hours... Which is may do so anyway.

I think my droop has now stopped on my JVC at 600hrs. which is good... for the next owner lol.
Yeah that's about correct my droop settled at 700 hours the only issue is I can't autocal it as even JVC have no idea what issue is, annoying.

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No but if you look at the 7900 vs 9900 or the 7500 vs 9500, the contrast is not just more at the low end, it begins right from wide open iris.

The 7500 vs 9500 can/does have as much as 10/20,000:1 more on/off wide open (sample variance) and up to 40/60k sometimes more iris closed... the benefits are felt all the way through the range.

At my light output I use now, at completely minimum throw, I used to get a measely 55k:1 at 15fl on my X7000. My 9500 in the same exact spot is hitting about 85k:1 in the same 15fl... Sure I probably had a 'weak' 7000, but it goes to show the premium you pay for the best is certainly real.
...and I would expect nothing less from the one and only RED PJ!
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Well I hope you are wrong BTW that is one of the reasons why I am building a complete new cinema building to suit the best PJ throw distance/location and get the best out of my equipment etc..
We shall see, it's only a shame though that we have to wait much longer for this beast to arrive, I believe that is due to a separate production run which might be a good thing!
Admire the dedication.
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My x790 should be here in a couple of days but I haven't decided on a screen size. What is the minimum ftL you guys would consider optimum for HDR? If I go with a 9' wide matte white 1.0 gain screen, based on the x7500's calibrated measurements, I would be getting about 23 ftL (78 nits) with the projector on low. That's usually how I like to watch SDR at, so I'm not sure if that would be ok for HDR.

It will be in a light controlled room, with velvet on walls.

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It Arrived!

Ok, funny that I pre-ordered last month but was expecting it much later. What a nice surprise!
Anyway, I'm hoping to post my first impressions of my X990 tonight.
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