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post #271 of 2271 Old 06-09-2004, 12:24 PM
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Hi Guys,

This really seems like an instance where we are not wringing our hands in dispair over the cheap pricing everywhere else.

I have looked a bit around and seen for € 1790 incl. 21% VAT in Belgium and € 1637 in France.

Greetings from Brussels

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here's a German review link found from another forum... not sure if it has been posted yet...

http://www.cine4home.de/tests/projek...00/PJTX100.htm

also, price is dropped in Japan even before the release? i wonder what will the real price be after release? :D
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Stupid question but can this projector be mounted upside down (ie mounted on the ceiling)?
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Yes ceiling mount is an option as is the case for virtually 100% of all home theatre projectors.

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Well i finally got it home and have had a play. Screendoor is not an issue at all. I have a 100inch screen and am sitting about 3.8 meters from it. Vertical banding is there but is no where near the levels of the panasonic that i owned for a short time. You really have to look for it and if you didn't know what it was you'd probobly not see it. Even in the foggy scenes in pirates it was barely noticable. Contrast is good but not up to the xvz200 i have and black level were very good. The black bars were as dark on the hitachi as they were on the sharp. In well lit scenes the image was awesome and to be honest in these sort of scenes it bettered my pj.
I only tried it with the iris closed as my room is light controlled and free of relected surfaces. You would probobly need to start opening the iris if you had light issues or a screen bigger than mine.
The build quality for a pj in this price range is incredible, that lense is huge.
No contest between this and the panasonic and i'd take it over the Epson as well, considering the price difference.
I was using the dvi out of a pioneer player.
Hope some of this helps.
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Any chance to view HD on it?

I wonder how this compares to the Sony HS20. I really like the Sony but for $1000 less (UK) I am thinking of getting the Hitachi. Thanks for the review:)

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Well i finally got it home and have had a play.
Good to hear a firsthand positive impression. Could you post some photos? I'd also be interested in hearing (seeing) how it works for you with HD source material.
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Now I just hope the Hitachi folks get the idea and enable it to be priced below the Z2 and AE500, that happens and we have a winner.

For CANADIANS the popular Quebec Acoustic shop that advertises heavily on Projector Central is now offering the special pre-order for the TX100. Honestly I wouldn't do it. I bet it's getting jacked up right now due to the positive response. Anything over 2K USD is too high.

I also have a call in to a US dealer that does alot of Hitachi. The sales rep said he would get back to me by tomorrow with info on availability and price.
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As an owner of the TX-100 (number 65 off the production line) I have to agree that the screen door is not an issue at all on a 96" screen at 3.8M. I have yet to see any vertical banding, but will put it through "Master and Commander" foggy scenes this weekend.

I am feeding it through 720P DVI from the Momitsu and it looks great. It is my first projector so it is hard for me to compare to other projectors which I have only spend limited time with in showrooms.

All colors are great including greens, although out of the box it has a tiny bias towards reds. However the tweaking mentioned on the german site implies that there is quite some control over colors and gamma.

Being an LCD the only deficiency is the black levels/contrast ratio, but my personal preference was for hidef detail for my screen size/viewing distance (over good blacks of DLP).

It can be bought for the equivalent of US$2000 here so I bet that the US retail will be adjusted to a more realistic level on US release.
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HumanMedia, which LCD's have you compared it to in that price range? Do you know how it looks compared to the HS20?
Thanks.

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HumanMedia, which LCD's have you compared it to in that price range? Do you know how it looks compared to the HS20?
Thanks.
I have compared it to an HS20, but the HS20 was only showing SD material in bad light conditions. Under these less than ideal conditions, and compensating for SD/HD I thought the image was comparable, although screendoor effect is less noticeable on the HS20 up close.
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Cine4Home: I could not find any info on what iris setting you were using to reach the 1100:1 contrast ratio. Did you have it fully open?
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Cine4Home: I could not find any info on what iris setting you were using to reach the 1100:1 contrast ratio. Did you have it fully open?
Before working on color correction Cine4Home states:
"After we decided for the aperture setting ("4"), continue we our color calibration. "

After calibration he states:
"By the Tuning we keep a "genuine" contrast relationship of 1100:1 combined with an point-exact color calibration on the 6500K-Videonorm and optimal brightness rise from 2,2."

I'd just like to know how, if I buy an XT100, I can get mine calibrated to this performance level since I don't have the equipment Cine4Home does.
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jimmyv: Thanks, I was a bit of a sloppy reader then.

I have just ordered one from England including a check for dead pixels. Since I live in Sweden the warranty works for me since its inside the EU.
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I have just ordered one from England including a check for dead pixels. Since I live in Sweden the warranty works for me since its inside the EU.
Lucky you. I'm hoping we'll be able to get it in the US at a price competitive to the z2 or ae500 soon.

I see Cine4Home has done reviews on those two projectors and the Sony HS20. It would be nice if he would write a head-to-head comparison of these four projectors, with his optimal tuning of course!

On the Panasonic he wrote that his tuning provided:
1. Possible improvements
1.1 high contrast
After the Tuning the projector has average contrast relationship of 1000:1(!). This is a outstanding value, particularly for LCD projectors.
1.2 almost perfect color representation
Despite the high contrast relationship the projector shows almost perfect colors over nearly all brightness level away.


Similarly, his tuning of the Sony produced a 1000:1 contrast ratio, but, if he attempts to get more contrast the color balance suffers. He comments:
How describes in our test, it reaches values from 1100:1 to 1200:1 during contrast maximization even. However here the color representation suffers clearly. The projector is not any more able to reproduce the cinema original akkurat.

For the z2 his tuning results show:
The contrast is with approx. 650:1 in the lamp savings mode and/or 760:1 in the adaptive lamp mode. ... All in all the Plv-z2 by the modification still "perfectly" and ensures a still akkuratere reproduction of the cinema original, the colors work more naturally, the picture impression homogeneous.

So it appears that he's gotten the best contrast with almost perfect color balance from the TX100 (even besting the Sony)! I don't see a direct comparison of brightness between the four projectors though, and, again, it would be nice if Cine4Home would summarize his evaluations and test results of these four projectors head-to-head.

Cine4Home - great site and great work, just wish I either read German or Google converted it to English better.
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I see Cine4Home has done reviews on those two projectors and the Sony HS20. It would be nice if he would write a head-to-head comparison of these four projectors, with his optimal tuning of course!
They intend to do just that:

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Shortly we shall publish a detailed Comparison Special of the most usual models tested here, Panasonic PT-AE500, Sanyo PLV-Z2, Sony VPL-HS20 and the Hitachi PJ-TX100, in order to clearly give you a decision making aid for choosing the most suitable model.

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The Hitachi is certainly looking decent so far, with very high prospects.

An interesting shootout at this point in the year would be:

Sanyo Z2 vs Panny PT500 vs Hitachi PJ-TX100 vs Epson 200 and 500 vs Sony HS20.

Japan is gearing up for Hitachi sales. Waiting to hear about OSD language and power supply voltage. Canadian prices are certainly starting out a fair amount higher than I'd like. American street prices are not known yet, although I can imagine they will be better than up here in Canada.

Should be interesting. Isn't it un-usual for a projector to come out in the summer? Don't they usually come out in OCT/NOV. Maybe this is good. We see it now, hear about it, and then when its been out for 6 months and the new Panny and Sanyo's, possible new Sony and Epson come out Q4 of 2004 then perhaps the Hitachi price will drop a little and be a good bargain. Only time will tell.
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They intend to do just that:
Good catch, I missed that.
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when its been out for 6 months and the new Panny and Sanyo's, possible new Sony and Epson come out Q4 of 2004
Hopefully, I won't procrastinate that long, but, yes there will always be something better in performance and value just around the corner. Which is an excellent reason to be focusing on <$2k projectors rather than $4k+ ones -- at least for me -- 'cause in a few years I'll want to upgrade anyway.
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cpc: TX100 japanese version has english OSD and the voltage is 100 V (although I have heard that they have 110V is some parts of Japan which should mean that works as well).
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Hi together,

We will do two different comparison Specials: One with "not tuned" devices, then the second one with full optimum tuned devices.


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Similarly, his tuning of the Sony produced a 1000:1 contrast ratio, but, if he attempts to get more contrast the color balance suffers. He comments:
How describes in our test, it reaches values from 1100:1 to 1200:1 during contrast maximization even. However here the color representation suffers clearly. The projector is not any more able to reproduce the cinema original akkurat.
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That is a missunderstanding. When you use the the Image Director2 software for gamma correction, you are able to reach about a 1100:1 contrast with 6500K and no clipping (Gamma 2.2) (you need a color correction filter of course) with the HS20

For the Hitachi it is about the same, 1100:1, 6500K, Gamma2.2

The Panasonic reaches about 1000:1 with 6500K, the Gamma is 2.2 but not as perfect as with the Hitachi

The Z2 reaches about 750:1 with 6500K and an "ok" 2.2 Gammacurve (Not as good as the others)

ALL mods need a perfect matching Color-Filter in order to really reach these values.

Please note that these are On/Off values. The PT500 & Z2 use a "trick", the adaptive lamp mode. This raises the maximal brightness keeping the same black level, BUT the "Real" Contrast (having dark and bright areas in the picture at the same time, for ex. Checkboard testpattern) is not increased with this mode.

So the "real" contrast of the Hitachi & Sony (both models do not use the Adaptive Lamp method for reaching their value) is clearly better visible.

I hope this wasn't too confusing :)

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Cine4Home: Any chance we will see Hitachi TX100 review and feature shoot-out translated to English?
Automatic translation of review from German to English is not very good =(
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Current Dutch dealer's lowest price for the TX100 is 1551 EUR or about 1860 USD. :D :D :D
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Hmmm..interesting. Japan hasn't emailed me with firm ffedback on the OSD and voltage yet.
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cpc: I was in Tokyo personally and saw it with english OSD running.
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Hey, Randal-nl, can you please contact me about that price? Where did you see that in the Netherlands?
This is ridiculous, how on earth can the USD msrp be 3990???
That is twice as much, heck, more than twice, as the dutch price ???

Ah well, I'm living in the Netherlands :D ...
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Hi, I got my TX100 installed and it works great. I picked it up for $3100 Australian dollars. As a summary

- Screen door is not a problem. I have a 100 inch screen and sit back about 3m distance and it is not noticeable.

- Black level is excellent. for movies I use the "whisper, deep black" mode, but for "normal" mode the black level is still very good

- Tested 480i, 480p, 576p (yes, it does support 570p), 720p, 1080i - all works fine (all tested through component video)

- Projector noise is low but you can still hear it, even on whisper mode. on normal mode the noise is slightly increased, but is more of a "blowing noise" rather than a factory fan noise

- Vertical banding - non existant but then again I don't really look out for this so I don't really know what i'm looking for

The only issue which I have with it is that on both the vertical left and right hand side edges, there are darker pixel lines going in one straight line. As I don't know much about these things, is this normal for LCD projectors?

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I found it cheaper still. By a couple hundred USD not including shipping though.

$3999 MSRP......I don't think so.........

It's not the size of your subwoofer.....ok, yeah it is:)
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cyberpogo, glad to hear about the screendoor. I will be using a 96" screen and sitting about 15-16ft back so all should be good. What kind of screen do you have? Any ambient light?

Did the HD look really good? Hard to imagine HD looking bad huh?

Sorry about all the questions, you are one of the few feeding the masses right now :) :)

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The only issue which I have with it is that on both the vertical left and right hand side edges, there are darker pixel lines going in one straight line. As I don't know much about these things, is this normal for LCD projectors?

it may be due to the source. Is ther any overscan settings on the projector ?
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