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post #361 of 2271 Old 06-15-2004, 05:53 PM
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Looks like Hitachi US is announcing the TX100, or close to.
http://www.hitachi.us/tv/browse/lcd_.../PJTX100.shtml
Anyone seen a price announcement from them or any resellers yet?
clicked the link but can't find the user manual. anyone can share the e-copy of the user manual is very much appreciated. Thx in advance.
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clicked the link but can't find the user manual.
Looks like it's only available to registered owners.
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Cool. Its coming. I think places in Japan are taking orders but won't ship until after they test the unit and thats now pushed back to June 21rst. No orders until June 21rst. I wonder if ordering from Europe or the UK is doable. Any problems with that?

I'm sooo curious what the US price is going to be for this projector.
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Well, the US web page basically verifies the one-year warranty. That might be just enough to kill it for me.
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Strange, only 1 yr warranty for the US. I was told by a UK dealer "By registering it to your friends UK address you would get a 3 year warranty!"

hmmmm.......

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2 year warranty in Australia, plus a 3 month/300hour globe warranty
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Jcam9,

One UK dealer had a small shipment which they offered 3year on-site warranty by Hitachi. Hitachi were then quick to withdraw the offer, but they honoured the very small batch the dealer sold.

It is now back to 1 year Return To Base warranty through all dealers.

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Strange, only 1 yr warranty for the US. I was told by a UK dealer "By registering it to your friends UK address you would get a 3 year warranty!"

hmmmm.......
To be honest, its not that unusual. For a typical product the warranty in the UK is a *minimum* of 1 year, more is more usual these days.

There is also another thing in the UK about a product having a reasonable lifetime, so legally, its easier to get something returned/repaired if fails during its "expected" lifetime whether or not it has any manufacturers warranty remaining. Something like that anyway. :-)

The online places I've seen selling the TX100 claim a 1 year warranty with 90days on the lamp. If there are places offering 3 years then thats a good sign.
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cine4home has done a comparison of the tx100, ae500, z2, and hs20

http://www.cineforhome.com/tests/pro...DVergleich.htm

*spoiler* Hitachi wins!!!
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cine4home, you rule!!

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Jcam9,

One UK dealer had a small shipment which they offered 3year on-site warranty by Hitachi. Hitachi were then quick to withdraw the offer, but they honoured the very small batch the dealer sold.

It is now back to 1 year Return To Base warranty through all dealers.

Wasabi
Interesting twist - in our country *minimum* possible warranty by law for such products is 2 years.
So i guess that means even if Hitachi has 1 year global warranty, then shop selling this product will be covering 1 extra year by itself.
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Indeed, according to the EU Directive on Sale of Consumer Goods and Associated Guarantees, consumers will have legal rights in relation to goods for a minimum of two years. Note that the Directive does not require manufacturers or retailers to provide a two-year guarantee: it establishes a two-year limitation period, during which time consumers can report and seek redress for a fault that was there at the time of delivery. :confused:

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cine4home,

¿Which of them do less noise in Whisper mode?

Nacho.

P.D.: Great review
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Anyone who can translate that comparo into a quick english wrap-up with all the key points? I really dont care about the menu/remote section or stuff like that. Just PQ.


What I do know is the z2 got its ass kicked in that comparo and it really has me wanting to upgrade.:)

Still think I am going to get the Epson 500 even though this Hitachi sounds nice.

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Going from best to worst...





Screendoor: AE500, HS20, TX100/Z2 (tie)

Colour space: All tied

Colour temperature: AE500, TX100/HS20 (tie), Z2

Contrast: TX100, HS20, AE500, Z2

Gamma: TX100/HS20 (tie), AE500/Z2 (tie)

Overscan: TX100, Z2, AE500, HS20

Deinterlacer: HS20, TX100/AE500/Z2 (tie)

Detail and scaling: HS20, TX100, AE500/Z2 (tie)

Shading: AE500, TX100/Z2 (tie), HS20

Vertical banding: HS20, TX100/AE500/Z2 (tie)

Panel convergence: TX100, AE500/Z2 (tie), HS20

Total picture quality score:
TX100 37
AE500 33
HS20 32
Z2 27

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Great work Ekkehart! Thank you.

One can always make comments on any analysis, so I'll through one of mine out here. There is no weighting to the points. I would think that points given for say remote control layout should have less "value" than points assigned for say vertical banding. This adds a lot more complexity to the analysis, however, and then creates more fertile ground for disagreements (1- weighting scales/method, and 2- varying preferences for what is more important than other items).

The other comment is I expected to see the TX100 and HS20 tie (4 points each) for Kontrast based on how other categories supported tied points awards. Any clarification here?

Well done again,
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Great work Ekkehart! Thank you.

One can always make comments on any analysis, so I'll through one of mine out here. There is no weighting to the points. I would think that points given for say remote control layout should have less "value" than points assigned for say vertical banding. This adds a lot more complexity to the analysis, however, and then creates more fertile ground for disagreements (1- weighting scales/method, and 2- varying preferences for what is more important than other items).
I guess anyone can take their raw numbers and do their own weighting. For example some people think banding is very important whereas others can't see it.

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The other comment is I expected to see the TX100 and HS20 tie (4 points each) for Kontrast based on how other categories supported tied points awards. Any clarification here?

They evaluate brightness, contrast and black level as a whole. HS20 and TX100 have the same contrast for accurate colour, but TX100 has deeper black level. That gave it the edge.

How am I doing, Ekkehart? :D BTW you never got round to doing a review or tuning of the BenQ PE8700. That'd be really nice. ;)

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Taking a calculated risk, I've decided to go ahead and purchase the Hitachi TX100 in England and get it shipped to me in Seattle. The specs and feedback (limited but convincing enough) have me very excited to get my hands on one. The deal clincher for me is combo of excellent 16:9 HD picture, digital inputs/HDCP, and ease of use (1.60:1 zoom and lens shift). I'm going to be getting it from progressive-av.com and they've been very helpful so far. I contacted several other UK firms but shipping outside the UK was something they shy away from. The Progressive-AV folks are going to give the unit a test run before they ship it including a scan for dead pixels.

Price including shipping is very reasonable. The calculated risk comes in when it comes to the warranty. The only way to have warranty coverage is from an EU address. The good news is that progressive-av will act as my EU address if needed so my risk is the cost of shipping the unit back to them.

I'll post back about the experience as I go. If everything comes off OK, I'll have the unit I want at a price that I think will compare well with prices in the US when they finally start shipping here.

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I also did some research on VAT and US customs. As mentioned by others, folks in the US do not have to pay the VAT (something like 17%!). I went to the US customs web site and went through their database and there is no duty on non-CRT display devices that will are part of a computer system which is how I plan to use mine. The official classification code for the projector is 8471.60.45 (Ack!).

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Railbird,

So how long will the delivery take. I am very interested in how this turns out. I also sent you a PM with some additional questions.

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They use Royal Mail DataPost (www.royalmail.com) and said that delivery takes 2-3 days. Cost for shipping is about £104 and includes £1000 of insurance.

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From the cine4home comparison link previously posted, it appears the digital connection on the Hitachi is not as clean as the anolog (I assume component). Is this what others read, or was the German to English translator to blame?

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Cine4home, any news on possibilty to reduce vb?

Thx
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Grubert, kroot,

I know there is a EU directive, and most EU countries has implemented the 2 year warranty, however, UK hasn't, they are working on it, so until then, the distributors in UK won't offer 2 year, only if they are nice.

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only 9 posts and you are already my hero!
The site looks very good.
Can they sell it to you sans VAT? Do you have to recover that later or what?
I'd appreciate a pm with some details!
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Yeah. Sounds cool. Hey, aren't you closer to Japan than to the UK ;) lol

Let us know how long it takes and how you like your PJ when its up and running. Should be pretty cool. It is possible you may be one of the first people in the US to get one, at least, one of the first AVS members. Go forth Pioneer.

No extended warranty at all?

Its true that computer devices are exempt from duties :)
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Thanks!

They take off the VAT at purchase time so I don't think I'll have to do anything special later to recover it.

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Thanks!

They take off the VAT at purchase time so I don't think I'll have to do anything special later to recover it.

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VAT or Value Added Tax is only for UK buyers. Companies will simply reduce the final figure by 17.5% before charging buyers outside the UK.
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That review was pretty good. I think it boils down to colour reproduction, contrast, screendoor (better on the 500 but a non issue for most viewing distances) shading and the convergence comparison was interesting. I imagine that may vary from sample to sample. I like the babelfish translation. Now when something doesn't do well, I'm going to think it was the "tail-light". heheh.
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I can almost smell the debates raging about this vs the 4805. LCD vs DLP, etc. Going to be fun to read.
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