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Expected arrival time is July/August here. Expect to pay 4K.


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Lens shift is handy I'm sure, but for me, I won't be using any in my current setup. In any setup I use, I would tend to aim for zero lens shift. No matter what you do, isn't there some distortion of the image that results from lens shift? You know, like un-even barrel or pincusion distortion or chromatic problems or some other issues. You can't shift the picture like that and have a perfect image, can you?

Anybody aware of the expected arrival time for the Hitachi PJ TX100 in North America?

If people come across reviews, please post links :)
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Did I read you right Furious? $4,000?? Are they kidding?? It would have to beat out an HD2+ DLP to be paying that amount for an LCD what with the cheaper BenQ models.

Maybe it'll be better to just forget the 2.35:1 screen idea and go with a BenQ 8700+ even though it won't work with an anamorphic lens.

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"I think the LPX-510 is the Yamaha boutique-ish rebadge of the Epson TW100 (H?)."

Not sure about name differences gor various countries, but the LPX-510 is based on the Epson Cinema 500

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Did I read you right Furious? $4,000?? Are they kidding?? It would have to beat out an HD2+ DLP to be paying that amount for an LCD what with the cheaper BenQ models.

Maybe it'll be better to just forget the 2.35:1 screen idea and go with a BenQ 8700+ even though it won't work with an anamorphic lens.

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I have no idea what Furious is basing his number on, but it is entirely inconsistent with the pricing in Europe and makes no sense given the specs on the projector. Read earlier in this thread for details about pricing in the UK or just type the projector name into google.

Furious, if you have actual information, please share the source. Otherwise, your post just seems unnecessary.
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That'll be Canadian retail Dan (arrival times as well).

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Did I read you right Furious? $4,000?? Are they kidding?? It would have to beat out an HD2+ DLP to be paying that amount for an LCD what with the cheaper BenQ models.

Maybe it'll be better to just forget the 2.35:1 screen idea and go with a BenQ 8700+ even though it won't work with an anamorphic lens.

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is there vertical banding on the TX100 like on the Z2?

isn't retail in Europe Euro 1699 ?
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I can see a lot of TX10 owners angry.
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Direct from source. Obviously I can't go into explicit detail but target SRPs and arrival times are fine to discuss. Yes the pricing is inconsistent, which I've gone over in this thread. Canada is an odd market, none of our pricing tends to be consistent in categories like this, same deal with plasmas. I can order a Panny 42" at retail from the US and still pay less than dealer cost minus staff purchase plan price direct from Panasonic. What does that tell you? Again I'm not trying to dampen enthusiasm, but the Canadian pricing is not going to be an attractive budget price point as per other markets as many here are hoping. I trust this post meets with your approval?


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I have no idea what Furious is basing his number on, but it is entirely inconsistent with the pricing in Europe and makes no sense given the specs on the projector. Read earlier in this thread for details about pricing in the UK or just type the projector name into google.

Furious, if you have actual information, please share the source. Otherwise, your post just seems unnecessary.
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I thought the tx10 was around $2000 in Canada. The TX100 should only be 24% higher (based on relative prices in europe...) That would bring it to $2480.... Significantly less than $4000... So.... what's up with that? Perhaps they don't actually want to sell any of these in Canada?
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Yeah, that wouldn't make a whole lot of sense because it'll be even more obvious that the price is out of line when you compare their own models in the US and Canada, and one model is equitabley priced while the other is not. That is, if $4K CDN is in fact the expected price. Did you say SRP? Perhaps retail will be less. Then again, nothing ever makes sense in Canada. I asked a dealer to get back to me asap on a price for the TX100, and that'll be the deciding factor for me. The Hitachi has a one year warranty and an extra year is $490 CDN! Unless the PJ-TX 100 is the same price as the Z2, as in $2699 CDN or within a few hundred dollars, AND it is worth it due to better black levels, contrast or whatever, then I won't bother.

What'll be important for many, regardless of where you're from, is a direct comparison of the Hitachi PJ-TX100 with the Sanyo Z2/SE 2HD and Panasonic PT500. Bring on the reviews.
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Yes SRP, which will end up between 3500-4000, hence you'd being paying around 4K with taxes in assuming PST+GST. There's not a ton of wiggle room to come down on street prices, but you may see a couple of hundred off that eventually. Even at dealer cost I wouldn't consider it a great buy, due to the pricing in non-Canadian markets. A lesser SRP would mean more volume but on other hand it would make it less attractive to dealers carrying other lines like the HS20's and AE500's of the world.
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Hitachi Canada told me it would be available in late June in Canada. See the previous thread on this projector.

I can't dispute Furious' SRP # as they couldn't tell me. They were happy to tell me release date though (after researching it).
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In OZ i can find it for around $3,100 aussie dollars which is around $2,200 US dollars. I might add the Australian market is not particularly competitive so i would expect the US street price to be well under $2,000 USD.

At the moment it seems to me the UK has the best pricing on this model. Around $1,750 USD.

As for Canada... heeheh you guys seems to have more inconsistent pricing than us here in Australia. At least you guys have easy importing options from south of the border. Try doing that from Sydney .

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Direct from source. Obviously I can't go into explicit detail but target SRPs and arrival times are fine to discuss. Yes the pricing is inconsistent, which I've gone over in this thread. Canada is an odd market, none of our pricing tends to be consistent in categories like this, same deal with plasmas. I can order a Panny 42" at retail from the US and still pay less than dealer cost minus staff purchase plan price direct from Panasonic. What does that tell you? Again I'm not trying to dampen enthusiasm, but the Canadian pricing is not going to be an attractive budget price point as per other markets as many here are hoping. I trust this post meets with your approval?
Knowing that you mean Canadian dollars makes a world of difference. Canada has seemed to be a very strange market in terms of pricing. I hope the US market pricing will more closely mirror the UK.
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So, who's got some good friends in England?
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...yeah...lol..Forget Japan..Its UK time :D
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I'm English, but living in Canada...doh! ;)
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My father was born in Manchester. I've yet to apply for my British Passport....on a serious note, I guess ordering from the UK isn't out of the question, however, its not easy, is it?
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Well, I was thinking more along the lines of friends/acquaintances who may cross the pond on a regular basis. Perhaps they could be convinced to tuck a tx100 in their bag on the way over here.
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Stolen from the RPTV forum

So it looks like it will come out sometime within the next 30 days or so.
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...right..well I wasn't about to fly there to pick one up!

Again, best retail price in Canada and reviews, feedback from owners will dictate what its worth to me.
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so far the buzz is that it's much better than the infamous Z2 with its "impossible to correctly calibrate colors" and its permanent vertical banding and poor luminosity in whisper mode.
the Hitachi on paper looks very promising, with lens shift (vert and hor), sleek looks and great menus. contrast is said to be even better than the Sharp Z9000.
question remains on vertical banding ( a test for all lcds !) and reliability.
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I'll vouch for the "better colors out of the box" description for the TX100. The sample I saw at AVAC looked great compared to the Z2 right next to it. I'm sure the deeper blacks that I saw added to the perceived richness of the image, but it was also simple things like the color of a baseball cap or or the color of the dirt at Safeco Field during a HDTV broadcast that just seemed right. The slightly more visible screendoor has me a little concerned, but if this can be corrected with a little defocus, I'm sold. If I have time, I may try to go back again this weekend to take another look.
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A French forum member has posted the following review. Note he has demoed at home the following projectors during the last 2 and a half years: Sony CS1, Sanyo Z1 and Z2, and Panasonic AE300 and 500 on LCD; and Infocus X1, Sharp Z90 and Z200, Optoma H30 and NEC HT1000 for DLP.

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I've been playing with the TX100 for more than 3 hours now, and I have to admit I think it's very nice (the adjective 'nice' is not derogatory, but it shows my slight reservations towards it ;) )

It looks very good, with its huge lens, and you can place it really anywhere (at my house, with a 4 metre distance, you get a 2.4m wide image no problem).
It's quiet, whether on Eco or Standard mode.
The menus are correct, the remote is responsive (it's somewhat small, but no matter, I'm going to transfer the codes on to my Pronto...).

About the PQ...

The TX100 ranks at the top of the LCD bunch but it's still below an NEC HT1000, for instance. The picture out of the box is good but it can be improved with the numerous setup options. The screendoor is very slight, provided viewing distance is twice the picture width. Contrast is good, detail in dark areas is good while keeping an excellent brightness (the iris is nice to have, but better not to close it fully). Colours are saturated and quite realistic (though there is still room for improvement).
Deinterlacing is also very good: I noticed hardly any differences with my HK25, a bit sharper in progressive mode. I always leave the deinterlacing to the player, which I find more effective.
A very nice feature is the possibility of adjusting the overscan.

In comparison with the Sanyo Z2 and the Panasonic AE500, the Hitachi defends itself very well. I find it superior in almost all areas and the setup possibilities leave hope for future tweaking.

But (yes, there's a but) it has the most annoying flaw of LCDs: vertical banding. It's rather visible on my unit, at least as much as on the Sanyo Z2 if not more.

Maybe by driving the projector at its panel resolution via DVI this artifact will diminish, as it has been observed on the Yamaha LPX510 with a Pioneer 868.

So the verdict is positive, but with this reservation (important to me but maybe not to everybody).

Anyway, for €1500, this projector is a steal. It's not worth it to spend more on gear that will be outdated in a year (the joys of video projection!), but I feel tweaking has only begun.

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Ktak, can you give us an idea of the size of the image you saw, and how far from the screen you were? I'm trying to get a feel for the screendoor issue. Thanks.

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"For a moment we thought we'd turned on our Yamaha DPX1000". That's a good one!!

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All the projectors at AVAC's "entry level" room are shown on 80-inch screens. I would guess that I was standing less than 2 screen widths away, so it's not ususual that I would see screendoor. My concern is that it seemed a bit more visible at the time than the Z2's picture which was the same distance away.
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Hmm...has anyone else noticed VB on the TX100?

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