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Finally found the brochure for it. All in all it seems to be a well designed projector. Flexible lens shift, reasonable 1.6x zoom range, front exhaust, dvi and so on. Seems like the perfect z2, ae500, epson tw200 hybrid. Not to mention the design looks great. So what do you guys think ? Assuming its pricing is competitive this might be the model to go for if you are considering a LCD based projector in this price range.

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sounds promising hmmmm :)


and i think there was some talk about this pj do a search and see what you can come up with .
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i did a search. seems like the the thread was all guessing games:) I hope this pdf gives everyone some more facts.

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like i sad this sounds promising Durabolin for lcd based pj :)
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Does anyone know when this projector will be out in the U.S.?
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I know its available in the UK and parts of Europe. Its just about to land in Australia. Not sure about the US

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Very interesting; I'm afraid it likely belongs in the >$3500 forum.

Sounds like it has an internal color filter like the Epsons.

They say a couple of times that the 1200:1 CR is with iris closed; I wonder how bright it is that way.

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Unlike the Epson 200, this Hitachi has DVI.

Any idea when it'll be out and what the Canadian or American MSRP will be?
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Very interesting; I'm afraid it likely belongs in the >$3500 forum.

Sounds like it has an internal color filter like the Epsons.

They say a couple of times that the 1200:1 CR is with iris closed; I wonder how bright it is that way.
Looking at the online prices in the UK - it seems to be priced slightly less than the Panny 500 and the Z2. I don't know how that will carryover to the US, but I can't imagine it will not be in this forum.

I'm buying an LCD when I move in August so I'm definitely keeping an eye on the Hitachi.
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In that case, I guess it is worth watching. Is Hitachi closely related to Epson or another company? I thought their PJ's were clones of Epsons.
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It will be cool to know if they use the Epson panels or not?

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Yeah. I am not sure the Hitachi PJ-TX10 is even available anywhere near me yet.
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i think the Hitachi PJ-TX10 is the same as the Home-1 here if i am not mistaken and it is available here in Canada:)
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Right. And...I think the Home 10+ is better with its increased contrast. I may check out Saturn's H30 later this week. Going to a BBQ just down the street. May see you there at Saturn's if I drop by.
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Right. And...I think the Home 10+ is better with its increased contrast. I may check out Saturn's H30 later this week. Going to a BBQ just down the street. May see you there at Saturn's if I drop by.


yes maybe see you there;) and home 10+ ? which one is that one
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Its just an updated Home 10. The 10+ has an 800:1 contrast vs Home 10's 700:1. Probably some other stuff too. Sorry for hijacking this thread.

Anyways.....back to this threads regularly scheduled programming :)

If the Hitachi 100 is anything like an Epson 200/500, like a 200 with DVI, then it'll be a serious alternative to the Panny 500 and Sanyo Z2.
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Yup thats the way i see it. A 200 with DVI. I noticed on a UK website it was actually cheaper than the Z2 AND the H30. Around the mid 900 sterling range.

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why is it being compared to the 200 and not the ae500/z2?

The hitachi has a 1200:1 contrast and 1200 lumens whereas the 200 is i think 500:1 contrast and 1200:1 lumens.
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People here are referring to the TW200 from epson. Epson are known for being accurate with their contrast specs. The feedback on the TW200 i have seen from one forum reader was that they found the TW200 had superior PQ to the z2. The Epson would be very sweet if it had dvi. Thats the only reason people have stayed away from it. Perhaps the Hitachi with its DVI can fill that role.

Personally i hold Hitachi in higher regard than Sanyo. SO if this can be a viable Z2 alternative thats great. They are far larger in the Display product arena. They make some very nice Plasmas for example.

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Very interesting; I'm afraid it likely belongs in the >$3500 forum.

Sounds like it has an internal color filter like the Epsons.

They say a couple of times that the 1200:1 CR is with iris closed; I wonder how bright it is that way.
The Hitachi TX100 is street priced just between the Z2/AE500 and HS-10 here in Japan, (which puts it well under the $2,000 range), so I'd guess it would hold a similar relative pricing position in the States. So maybe the mid-$2,000s? I haven't seen it in person yet, but word of mouth seems pretty promising.
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It should slot in above the Sanyo as you mention. One thing to keep in mind is that Sanyo prices the Z2 as an IT/computer piece, not as a home theater display (I know...weird) and only has 10-15 points, where as the Hitachi and Panasonic will be/are priced as home theater pieces with closer to 30-40 points. I'll see if I can dig up the Canadian pricing on it next week, looks like a great combination of specs/features and if it's anything like the 10 it should be quite good out of the box.
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So the pricing looks like it will be attractive; I sure hope it looks good, with minimal VB and FPN.

"The hitachi has a 1200:1 contrast and 1200 lumens whereas the 200 is i think 500:1 contrast and 1200:1 lumens."

But the Hitachi won't have both at the same time; with the large range of iris adjustment it's probably less than half as bright at max CR.

The Epson 200 is spec'd at 800:1 CR and the 500 at 1200:1.

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Ktak: I'm currently in Tokyo on a business trip. Is this projector available in Tokyo right now? If so, is OSD only in japanese and what about voltage? I'm from Sweden so 220 V is what is in my outlet back home :).

Sorry if these questions have already been answered but I did not find it in this thread.
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I just got back from Akihabara to look at the Hitachi, and I am seriously considering selling my Z2! They just recently set up the TX100 in the ground floor demo room along side the Sanyo Z2, Pana AE500, Sony HS-20, Epson 200 and Sharp Z200 (Matterhorn DLP). Because I already own the Z2, I really didn't want to be impressed by the Hitachi, but I have to admit that it's improvements over the Z2 were not subtle to my eyes or my wife's.

The first thing that hits you is the DEEP black level compared to the Z2 or AE500. It was very close to the Sharp in this respect, which is amazing considering the Matterhorn chip that the Z200 uses. Also, color fidelity seemed more accurate, with none of the blue/green tinge that the Z2 displays. I've owned the Z2 for about 6 months and this tinge never really bothered me, but after seeing the Hitachi I'm afraid it will aways be at the back of my mind. Skin tones on the Hitachi were also excellent.

While I was there, they had an HDTV feed of today's Seattle Mariners game (the Mariners are still big here because of Ichiro, despite the crappy season they're having). When we lived in Seattle, we used to live just a few blocks from Safeco field, so we've been to a lot of Mariners games. The colors of the stadium, field and uniforms on the Hitachi were much more like I remember them than either the Panasonic or the Sanyo. The blue of the team caps especially were spot on (Trust me, I've got 3 or 4 of them for comparison).

But like I said, it's the blacks on this projector that set it apart from all the other LCDs in the room. During the broadcast, the score is displayed inside a black box. This made it easier to compare the quality of the black on each screen. I closed down the Z2's iris all the way and tweaked the brightness, but I couldn't match the Hitachi.

Image sharpness was also superior to any other LCD unit on display. This is most likely due to the quality (and quantity) of the lens assembly. This lens is HUGE! My wife and I actually laughed when we saw it because it stood out compared to the others. I hope I never have to find a filter for this baby! This lens may in fact be responsible for the TX100's only "weakness" that I could see. The pixels seem to be slightly more visible than any of the other projectors on display. I double checked the focus on the other projectors and they were all zeroed in, but the Hitachi's pixels just seemed a little bit more "there" for lack of a better word. It's almost like the inferior lenses on the other projectors provide a automatic "defocus" that masks the pixels even when the projector is supposedly in perfect focus. The Hitachi on the other hand shows the pixel gap nice and clear. I'm sure a little defocus on the Hitachi would remedy this to some degree, but seeing the pixels so clearly was a bit disconcerting and the only negative that I could find.

Vertical banding was equal to the Z2 which was almost non-existent on the sample I saw. Fan noise was also very low and exhausts from the front mounted vent. I would rate it equal to the Sanyo in this regard.

By the way Zippo, I'm not sure about the voltage, but the OSD I saw were in English.:D ). I think you'll be very impressed with this unit when you see it. I look forward to hearing your impressions.
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About the price I can say that a danish dealer has set a price to 15.995 danish kr. for the Hitache PJ-TX100, while the Sanyo PLV-Z2 at the same dealer is priced also at 15.995 kr. (after they have changed the price a bit down), the PTAE-500 is 13.888 kr.

This should mean that the price is very equally the PLV-Z2, but a bit more expansive than the PTAE-500.

The dealer say they have it late may!

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Ktak. Nice on the spot review. This somewhat confirms my suspicions that it might be the best of the 4 all things considered, including price. Yeah the lens assembly does look huge. Does the japan version use standard component inputs or that D4 contraption like the japanese Z2 ?

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Ktak,

Thanks for your impressions, the TX100 is sounding like a real contender.

Re the blacks, do you which iris and lamp settings it was using? Regardless, how was its brightness compared to the other pj's?

Also, I'd be interested to know how it compared to the Epson 200, which has been getting good press.

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Ktak,

Sounds really good. If they have it up for demo, does this mean that they have it in stock in the shop or is it just a preview unit? If the price is good enough in Akihabara I might just take one home :). I haven't actually been to Akihabara yet since I live in Tachikawa and am working hard during weekdays. Do they have it in most stores or could you point out which store I should go to?

Thanks for a great teaser! Makes me very excited to see this one in real life.
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Ktak, thanks a lot for your review !

Good finally someone could see it on its latest update.
I'm very excited about getting mine, it should land in France very beginning of June maximum ...

I hope the screendoor is not too visible, but i guess it's a consequence of the amazing sharpness ...

Thanks again for your post here !
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