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Goodafternoon,
Last night I set up my H77, ceiling mounted using a Mat White Screen.

What's great about the H77 -

Powerfull colors yet not over saturated.

Smooth film like picture, very much like a good CRT.

HDTV is highly detailed and bright, but yet very deep blacks.

The machine is the quietest projector I've ever not heard.

You have to love the Power Zoom & Focus, especially the focus you can stand right up to the screen and dial right in. So easy

These shots are to give you an idea on the color and they also show how a higher resolution can add more to DVD in details and sharpness. Quite a few shots, I used a Panasonic XP30 DVD player in progressive.

I'll add some stuff through DVI with a Bravo later and some HDTV freeze shots also. enjoy the fun

Oh some of these images came out unbelievably detailed, juicy is a good term for the image quality. Up live and personal of course what you see is 10times better.

(Note: first time you turn on your H77 look for an option (colorspace) and choose (Auto) factory sets it at YUU and colors may be off for your area, so choose auto.)

(Note: if you need to check your firmware, on the PJ hit
re-sync, source, enter at the same time.

Toggle down to exit. Don't hit anything in there or you may undo the factory tune up.)

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After making changes take a look at the Avia Needle Pulse pattern to see that there's no color tints in the Gray to White steps in the upper part of the pattern. The Pluge pattern also in Avia called Black Bars+ Log Steps. It's found under Video Test Patterns/Gray Scale & Levels/Black & White levels -

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You see how it works, color in the light grays you use the RGB-contrasts

Color in the dark grays you use the RGB-brightness to fix.
enjoy and get good at it, can really make a huge difference "

Also I would start by first deleting the color you need until it's out of the grays. Lets say it took 8 clicks minus on the red to get there. Instead of leaving this make it just 4 clicks and inturn add four clicks more to the Blue & Green for better balance.

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What do you think about Projector Central's review of the H77? They claim it is very dim.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/optoma_h77.htm

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Well I guess Evan can't always be right. The projector glows. Perfect for Home Theater enviroment.

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So, does this mean you're selling your HT1000? I loved your many helpful reviews of the NEC. I take it that you much prefer the Optoma. Thanks for the screen shots.

What about dithering or rainbows or other noise.

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Excellent! Now that they are shipping more hopefully we can get some more out there! I can't wait to see it when mine comes in.
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I'm afraid I let somebody have the HT1000 a few months ago. Not that I didn't like it. But I do like changing occasionally.

I went up to the screen to check for mosquito noise and it's all but gone. Blacks and shade tones are very quiet and smooth. I didn't see one rainbow but it does have a five speed wheel.

The doing away with the dither plus the stronger colors and blacks are worth the few extra dollars. imo

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Thanks for the pics Tom! You obviously seem impressed. Have you seen the JVC HX1 and if so, how would you compare that to the H77 in a dedicated, light-controlled HT environment?

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Jason, Fully loaded at a lower price. How can they do it. Every bell and whistle is on this thing. Except for maybe the auto cal eye like on the Marantz. But some things are still fun for the user, like tuning it yourself.

I just used Avia on this one and the picture looks pretty good.

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They only plus with the extra green segment I've seen is the Marantz. Which I looked at again yesterday. The Optoma compares nicely and is brighter. If you like the color red you'll like the Optoma. Reds are deep.

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Tom, thanks for your pics and review.

Evan Powell noted that DVI input resulted in a significant drop in lumen output, so your observations here will be interesting.

Would you say there's a noticeable improvement in the CR compared with the HT1000?

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You could say it's stronger in the contrast area. Though the HT1000 was no slouch is this area. It was the first HC machine around.

This HD2 is somewhat juicier in color and depth.

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I'll be bringing my HT1000 over to Tom's next weekend for a direct comparison, which should be fun ( if it still works with your schedule Tom )!

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Craig, sounds good for next Sunday. I only have 11hrs on the projector now but maybe I can get over the 100 mark by Sunday.

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I know you'll do your best. Perhaps some movie marathons with the neighbors!

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Tom,

Sent you a PM.... can you check and get back to me?? Man is this Colorfacts stuff such a great tool!!

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I guess Mark gave you some tips on using it.

What I got from users here is -

Start at the outer IRE fields like 30ire and 80ire, using the RGB-contrast for the highs and RGB-brightness for the lows, bop back and forth working your way to the middle.

I gave you the service menu but you should find the RGB's in the Image user menu enough. Let me know how the calibration goes?

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Looks like the projector handles those over saturated movies very well.

Glad to see Optoma regaining ground
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I guess Mark gave you some tips on using it.

What I got from users here is -

Start at the outer IRE fields like 30ire and 80ire, using the RGB-contrast for the highs and RGB-brightness for the lows, bop back and forth working your way to the middle.

I gave you the service menu but you should find the RGB's in the Image user menu enough. Let me know how the calibration goes?

Yeah, I got a few inside tips on a number of things from Mark today.... and I pointed out a couple things that I am hoping he is going to do for existing owners that will dramatically improve the value of the product (at least to me and I am certain to everyone else as well).....

The latest version of the software that is just out has a new wizard called the calibration wizard. It does exactly what you are descibing by switching back and forth between the user predetermined low and high IRE fields until both are dialed in to your tolerance levels.

The RGB Brightness and contrast are not super fine adjustments. So it takes some massaging to get everything perfect. I was certain they weren't doing what they were supposed to be doing because of the really whacked out middle IRE values as I was changing the low and high... but everything eventually locked in.... don't ask me why it was so out of whack... but it was weird enough to make me question the advanced adjustments actually doing what I thought they did

I didn't realize just how far off the unit was out of the box. But when you dial it in......... WOW! I wish I could take screen shots like everyone else to help show even remotely how good this thing looks....

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Looks like the projector handles those over saturated movies very well.

Glad to see Optoma regaining ground

They are gaining. They have some great Engineers designing and adding new idea's. The California Engineer designed the new bulb for the 56a with neat glass color lens in front of it, resulted in much better coloring.

The H77 is shielded from light emission all around. The fan exhaust is at the far back on one side furthest from the lens, heat vented away towards the back. They're thinking about it.

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California Engineer designed the new bulb for the 56a with neat glass color lens in front of it, resulted in much better coloring.



this i can agree with tom on i have the h56a and it is a good pj very punchy and tom and my self are very picky with performance and we are on the same page also with the h77 it is a very nice pj , you will not be disappointed that is for sure
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Hi !

I'm glad people here can now talk about the H77 !!! I also saw the review at projector central which compare the 8700+, the 7205(MT800) and the H77.

I'm planning to choose one of these three and i'm happy to find your comments from your tests.
I'm dying to know if people here agree or not with projector central.

Difficult to choose between 7205 and H77 ? So what would you choose ?

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"Difficult to choose between 7205 and H77 ? So what would you choose ?"

Choose the Optoma if you want the best contrast, the Infocus if you want very bright.

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Manual for the H77 is up on their site.
H77 Manual pdf

I'm thinking of replacing my MT8 with a H77 (for the noise improvement) and was delighted that the throw worked in a very similar way. Not so good news is the '100% offset' which seems to be a good deal less than 100% by my definition (see page 25 on manual for illustration). It'll mean taking my mount down and resiting it...not as good as I thought.

There is no mention in the manual as to how far that single exhaust port has to be from anything else to make sure it works.

I'm beginning to wonder how much quieter Infocus managed to make the 7205/MT800....

I also can't see any mention of overscan (there seemed to be some discussion of this being a problem). Do you just use the digital zoom?

The shine has gone off my excitement a little.......

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You would want some room away from a wall for exhaust, maybe 6".

The overscan for unwanted video noise from OTA or some digital stations can be fixed with the signal adjustments. If you get white static line at the top of the screen you shift up and blot it out. The signal feature shifts up/down/right/left.

IF you want quiet there is no machine quieter than this one.

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"Difficult to choose between 7205 and H77 ? So what would you choose ?"

Choose the Optoma if you want the best contrast, the Infocus if you want very bright.


would not other factors weigh -in... for instance amb.light, distance of the projector to the screen/size of screen???
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Yes you need to choose by your Home Theater enviorment. Mine is an average house hold, white walls, white screen, but I can make the room dark in broad daylight. I have the projector ceiling mounted at 14' from a 92" wide screen, 106"diagonal.

Hey, I got the Bravo D1 going and the image is par excellent. There's no bright push like I had with the HT1000. Just did the basics with Avia and a few adjustments with the RGB user controls to acheive the best colors. The image with the Bravo is clean and quiet. Still a big fan of the Bravo D1.

They call the new color wheel dark technology. What they mean is this projector screams very dark blacks, think oiley blacks. Probably why the few new users are thinking CRT.

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Tom, do you notice a brightness difference between component and DVI input?

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I have the brightness tuned to the same look for DVI and progressive components and didn't see a difference. Using gamma 2 or 3 puts the brightness at the level I need.

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Hi,

I was wondering if it is possible to project a picture off angle with the Optoma 77?

I have problems with the projector set-up (WAF) and would like to place the projector slightly to the left of the screen. The lens would actually be a few inches left of the left egde of the screen. I have seen it be done on the Panasonic 500.

I also wonder if this would make the picture quality deteriorate to an unacceptable level.

Thanx!

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