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Using factory settings, my reds and greens are coming out very orangish. I've tried calibrating but still can't get the vibrant reds and greens to come out. Anyone else having this problem?
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My HD7100 should be on its way. It will replace an Infocus X1 that I still like.
I plan to project on a 92" GrayWolf from about 10ft and drive it with a Zenith DBV318 up-converting DVD player.
Will the screen and DVD player do justice to the HD7100? If not, which ones should I consider?
Should I output 480p, 780p or 1080i to the projector?
I have a Sound and Video "calibrating" DVD which I have found almost useless with the X1 mainly due to the scarcity of controls on the X1 pertinent to the disc patterns. Will my calibrating disc be of any use to tune the HD7100 or will I need Avia or DVE, which one?
Thanks in advance for your comments.
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The projectors scaler does an excellent job on 1080i, but if you can match the PJ's 720p resolution. The screen should work out fine. Sounds & Vision I use it all the time, it's fast and accurate.

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Using factory settings, my reds and greens are coming out very orangish. I've tried calibrating but still can't get the vibrant reds and greens to come out. Anyone else having this problem?

Nope, mine has very deep reds bordering on crimson. Green shows some yellow but that's typical.

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In regards to the HD7100 - which is better in the unit the de-interlacer or the scaler?

Which signal would produce a better picture?

1) a 480P signal sent to the HD7100 which would then scale it 720P or

2) a 1080i signal sent to the HD7100 which would then have to de-interlace it to 1080P (?) and then scale it to 720P.

It seems that #1 produces less work for the HD7100 - am I somewhat correct is assuming that 1080i and 720P are pretty much similar in picture quality?
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Boy do I feel like a moron -- the red component cable had simply slipped out of the projector! Much better now (duh).

Awesome projector. If only the HDMI would work with the Toshiba HD DVD player.
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My HD7100 should be on its way. It will replace an Infocus X1 that I still like.
I plan to project on a 92" GrayWolf from about 10ft and drive it with a Zenith DBV318 up-converting DVD player.
Will the screen and DVD player do justice to the HD7100? If not, which ones should I consider?
Should I output 480p, 780p or 1080i to the projector?
I have a Sound and Video "calibrating" DVD which I have found almost useless with the X1 mainly due to the scarcity of controls on the X1 pertinent to the disc patterns. Will my calibrating disc be of any use to tune the HD7100 or will I need Avia or DVE, which one?
Thanks in advance for your comments.

That's the same projector that I replaced. You will love the it (assuming you get a good one first time). Assuming the screen that you are replacing is near the same size as the new screen it should be a very easy install. Mine went on the the ceiling at the exact same spot and I retained the 4' screen height that I had with the X1, of course the new screen is wider.
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i am about to buy this to replace my infocus sp 4805. any comments on this projector? has optoma worked out the bugs? connectivity problem is not a factor with me as i will use component(RGB).
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im on board with this projector just not sure if i should buy now or wiat and see if they have a better deal comming maybe a free bulb ? i hope my dvi works
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The HD7100 seems like a lot of projector for the money. One aspect that makes me believe it's a quality unit is that it weighs 14 pounds, about twice as much as others I'm considering such as the Mits HC-3000U. It's frustrating because I'd like to wait until other Darkchip 3 pjs like the HD73 and Mits HC3100 (maybe it'll come to the US) hit the market and then compare to the 7100, which has some flaws. But if I wait too long the pipeline on the 7100 may disappear. I don't know about further price reductions or rebates......may not happen considering how far it's come down already.
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Has Optoma worked out the issues with this projector? The black level and throw distance are perfect for my room. But I'm loving my Tosh HD DVD player and there is no way I'm giving that up. I guess since HDMI is the problem I could run component instead.
Is the HD7100 still considered a good purchase?

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Hi
It is about time to upgrade my InFocus X1( which I have been very pleased with after 2 1/2 years of trouble free service), and I have been thinking about the 7100 for some time. I have been unable to find a local dealer to see the 7100 for myself, so I would like to get some comments from other X1 upgraders, since I am most familiar with it. My current system uses a 100" matte white 4:3 screen, and I sit 17' from it, and almost under the PJ, that I run in high output mode. I would use a 120" High Contrast Matte White 16:9 screen, which gives me the same picture height as the 4:3 but about 2.5' wider, and the pixel size would be 20% smaller. I would also sit directy under the PJ. I mostly watch DVDs as over the air HD has little that interests me, although I do have an HD STB.

My concerns are how the 7100 compares to the X1 for brightness, is the screen door effect more or less noticeable, and the fan noise levels in high brightness mode. Any other comparisons between the two would also interest me. Thanks in advance.

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Has Optoma worked out the issues with this projector? The black level and throw distance are perfect for my room. But I'm loving my Tosh HD DVD player and there is no way I'm giving that up. I guess since HDMI is the problem I could run component instead.
Is the HD7100 still considered a good purchase?

David

I'm watching Pitch Black on the HD7100 from the Tosh right now. Video is stellar on this projector. If you ask me it will put a serious hurt on any 720p projector.
I'm am running it ok with the Tosh/HDMI because I'm using the HD-3000 scaler. Right just go component to solve your problem. Nothing wrong with solid RGB cables..

Hey! plus the PJ has two component inputs, perfect.

You know guys I've CR tested a ton of projectors in my house. Without a doubt the HD7100 came in with the highest CR's. 4300.1 if I placed the meter close to the PJ lens. 5700.1 if I place the meter near the screen area. Which after reading a later widescreen review magazine is where my buddy Greg Rodgers check his contrast ratio's.
It's a pretty cool projector.

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Tom, Have you or anyone else heard of any problems with the newer Toshiba HD-A2 paired with the 7100 via HDMI? I have the 7100 and absolutely LOVE the picture. I couldn't possibly find a better projector for the current street price. I don' t even know if I want the HD-3000 or not. The picture is already fantastic. in your testing is the picture with the HD-3000 paired up to the 7100 worth the 2300 it will cost to buy it? I just can't see this projector getting much better than it already is. Your thoughts...
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It is about time to upgrade my InFocus X1( which I have been very pleased with after 2 1/2 years of trouble free service), and I have been thinking about the 7100 for some time. I have been unable to find a local dealer to see the 7100 for myself, so I would like to get some comments from other X1 upgraders, since I am most familiar with it. My current system uses a 100" matte white 4:3 screen, and I sit 17' from it, and almost under the PJ, that I run in high output mode. I would use a 120" High Contrast Matte White 16:9 screen, which gives me the same picture height as the 4:3 but about 2.5' wider, and the pixel size would be 20% smaller. I would also sit directy under the PJ. I mostly watch DVDs as over the air HD has little that interests me, although I do have an HD STB.

My concerns are how the 7100 compares to the X1 for brightness, is the screen door effect more or less noticeable, and the fan noise levels in high brightness mode. Any other comparisons between the two would also interest me. Thanks in advance.

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Hi, Ray,
I have replaced my good X1 with the HD7100 and I LOVE what I see. I have had the 7100 for just over a week and it has worked for about 36 hours total w/o any glitches; none. It is beautiful.
I am no expert at this but I think the 7100 would light up your 120" better than the X1 does your 100" and the PQ between the 2 will just not compare. If you have good light control you may be able to run the 7100 on low mode which is a lot quieter than the X1 in eco mode (that is how I have always used it) and in my place I sit right next to the projectors. Although I have not yet run the 7100 in high brightness mode, when I turn the 7100 off, during the cooling period the 71 may be a bit louder than the X1 in econo mode but not by much and I would say that the 7100 noise level in high mode is not more distracting than the X1 in econo mode, in my opinion. I was concerned about the noise level of the 7100 but in low mode it is a definite improvement over the X1 and not a problem to me and I sit just next to it (head level about a foot away).
There is also a major improvement in SDE as well compared to the X1. I seat at about 10' from my 92" Graywolf (1.5X width) and I do not see any SDE in the image and hardly any on the white subtitles.
One word of caution, the horizontal lens shift range is very limited (about 7.5% of screen width either side)
Good luck with your projector replacement.
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Should I wait for the new darkchip 3 pjs, the Mits HC3100 and Optoma HD73, to hit the streets or go for the HD7100 now with the $400 rebate still in place? The HC3100 got a great review at cine4home but it's not a sure thing that it will be coming to the US soon if at all. The HD73 is going to be here next month but there are no reviews of it yet.

Another thing to ponder is the scaler issue. I don't plan to get an HD-DVD player for a year so.....going to wait for bugs to clear out and prices to come down, so do I need the HD-3000 scaler to run off an Oppo or other upconverting player? I'll be receiving signal from an H20 DirectTv box in addition to the DVD player. FGM, what's your take on the need for a scaler. Guitarman or anyone else with this unit I'd like to hear re the scaler.

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Speaking of scalers and HDMI--
Is the HD3000 required or can I use any HD scaler to get HDMI to the projector without error?
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the DVDO scaler will work with it. there are two models..the 30 and the 20. The 20 is only 1695, but comes with less inputs. The 30 was put up against the HD-3000 using the 7100 and it was a close call with the HD-3000 winning by a small margin. there was a third scaler as well, but I can't remember which one they chose. It didn't fair well though. If I were you, I wouldn't even think of the scaler until you have the 7100 set up and view a few movies. You'll be shocked just how good the picture really is. You may decide you don't need to shell out the extra $$ for the scaler. That's why I posted to Tom. To see if he thinks it's really worth it. Too be honest, with still some tweaking to go, I'm delighted at the picture my 7100 throws. when it's in it's proper environment, it will be even better! The faroudja processor in the 7100 is actually very satisfactory. The Gennum scaler is no doubt superior, but you will have a very clear picture with rich blacks and vibrant colors even without it. Just my $.2
EDIT: Cowboy, the HD73 will NOT be as good as the HD7100. I've already heard that they are using inferior optics, and that it more closely resembles the HD72 regardles of it's HD+2 chip. Hence the super low street price. Everyone here seems to have the largest issue with the 7100 not being compatible with the tosh HD-A1. The HD-A2 is about to come out, and pre order is only 489 shipped. I'm calling tosh to see if they have addressed the HDMI issue pairing to the 7100. If they have, consider it bought!
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Everyone here seems to have the largest issue with the 7100 not being compatible with the tosh HD-A1.

The HD-A1 upscales using HDMI only. I think that's the only reason I'd need a scaler--to uprez my SD DVDs. I can run component from the HD-A1 to the HD7100 no problem. The only downside I know of is that the scaling that would have been done by the HD-A1 (which does a great job of it) is now being handled by the HD7100. But maybe that's not a big deal anyway considering the HD7100 puts out an amazing picture.
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The scaling the HD7100 will do is very good. The upconverting of SD dvd's to progressive by the HD-A1 is better and would offer a better picture. Like I said earlier, even using my ancient dusty Sony DVP-S560P, which will put out 480P, I get a picture that looks phenomenal on the HD-7100. Have you looked on the internet for a hack for the HD-A1 to do upconverting over component? I have a samsung HD850 and it is HDMI as well. It is supposed to only upconvert to 1080i via the HDMI, but there is a hack that allows you to send the signal over component. I did it, and the picture is better using the component than with the HDMI. I truly don't know if there is anything out there like that for the Tosh, but it may be worth looking into? My Denon 3930CI looks better over Digital...go figure
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Grapenuts.....Thanks for your reply! Your insight into the optics of the HD73 vs. the HD7100 is the info I was looking for. You also cleared up the scaler issue for me. What's been puzzling is how much the scaler costs (same as the pj itself) and how it seems to give only an incremental increase in performance plus the ability to get around the handshake issue with the Tosh HD-A1. The only other competitor for my affection is the Mits HC-3100 and it's ranked geographically unobtainable currently. The 7100 came down a little more in price today on reputable dealer's website.
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Should I wait for the new darkchip 3 pjs, the Mits HC3100 and Optoma HD73, to hit the streets or go for the HD7100 now with the $400 rebate still in place? The HC3100 got a great review at cine4home but it's not a sure thing that it will be coming to the US soon if at all. The HD73 is going to be here next month but there are no reviews of it yet.

Another thing to ponder is the scaler issue. I don't plan to get an HD-DVD player for a year so.....going to wait for bugs to clear out and prices to come down, so do I need the HD-3000 scaler to run off an Oppo or other upconverting player? I'll be receiving signal from an H20 DirectTv box in addition to the DVD player. FGM, what's your take on the need for a scaler. Guitarman or anyone else with this unit I'd like to hear re the scaler.

Thanks everyone!

I feed the HD7100 from a Zenith DVB318 upconverting DVD player at 720p through a DVI cable with great results all the time. Do I feel I need a separate scaler? No.
Hope this helps.
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over the past few days of viewing, I have become an advocate for the 7100, even without the HD3000. Cowboy, you will not be dissapointed with this projector, the picture is amazing for the pricepoint. quite possibly the best for the money.
with a street price after rebate of 2K, (darn it...don't kill me for not posting MSRP)
there isn't anything out there that will beat it. As far as the HD-A1 handshake...I'm not worried about it in the least bit. The HD-A2 is coming out now, and others will have their models out soon. I haven't been able to contact Tosh yet, but I'm going to see if the HD-A2 will clear the issues the HD-A1 had with the 7100. My opinion...GO FOR IT

EDIT: I was able to get in touch with Toshiba Tech support. Unfortunately, they have NO idea of whether or not the issue was addressed. They didn't even know that there was an issue with it. They only know it's 1.2a HDMI and that's it. Got to love Level 1 tech support.
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I whipped out the credit card a few minutes ago and took the plunge on the 7100, it'll be here next Friday. Thanks everyone including Grapenuts and FGM for your detailed and informative responses really helped me make the decision. Now I'll be ordering the rest of the gear. I'm thinking 110" Carada BW screen at around 13' or 14' viewing distance. with a coffee table mount. Does that sound OK or should I go bigger or smaller? Then there's the H20 box from directTv, an Onkyo ht s990thx for surround, and some Monoprice cables....everything for under 4K. This will be my first pj. I've been running with two 27" Sony XBRs since 1990. They are still great sets but you can see I've had a little pent up demand going.
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over the past few days of viewing, I have become an advocate for the 7100, even without the HD3000. Cowboy, you will not be dissapointed with this projector, the picture is amazing for the pricepoint. quite possibly the best for the money.
with a street price after rebate of 2K, (darn it...don't kill me for not posting MSRP)
there isn't anything out there that will beat it. As far as the HD-A1 handshake...I'm not worried about it in the least bit. The HD-A2 is coming out now, and others will have their models out soon. I haven't been able to contact Tosh yet, but I'm going to see if the HD-A2 will clear the issues the HD-A1 had with the 7100. My opinion...GO FOR IT

EDIT: I was able to get in touch with Toshiba Tech support. Unfortunately, they have NO idea of whether or not the issue was addressed. They didn't even know that there was an issue with it. They only know it's 1.2a HDMI and that's it. Got to love Level 1 tech support.

hi, i also just purchased a hd7100,

I currently have a 120" DIY Da-lite clone and a sp 5700 pj

My friend has a sp7205 and has had Handshake Trouble with the HDA1.

He found that if he used a shorter dvi/hdmi cable it didn't have problems.

perhaps a shorter cable might make a diff.

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Exgo, Guitarman has already tried the shorter vs. longer cable solution with no avail. It is a very real problem with the 7100/HD-a1 combo. Luckily, it's the only dvd player to projector problem I've heard about with this one. To both you and Cowboy...Cheers on the purchase! Cowboy, if this is your first projector, and you have been using antiquated equipment....you are in for a serious treat with the HD7100! Pair it up with a decent dvd player and you'll be amazed. I'm going to give you all the settings that you should probably use to get you started. Although out of the box performance is very good, tint is toward the green side, contrast is a bit low, and the color temp is quite cool. use these settings to start you off and you'll be happy. after that, tweak away!
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Gamma set at 2.2
set color temp to 6500K
switch to ISF Night
change brightness to -1 (this is one bright projector!)
change contrast to +2 (you will change this to suit later, but it's a good start point)
White Balance...Green ratio to -2(can get away with -1, but -2 worked a bit better for me personally) and green offset to -3
Color to -1 or just 0
Sharpness to Sharp.

That will get you pointed in the right direction and you'll be happier with the projector if you make those changes before you view. You'll thank me for it!
Anyone who wants to see screen shots using those settings let me know. I just shot it against a bare wall....this alone should be enough to get you to buy it!
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Tom, Have you or anyone else heard of any problems with the newer Toshiba HD-A2 paired with the 7100 via HDMI? I have the 7100 and absolutely LOVE the picture. I couldn't possibly find a better projector for the current street price. I don' t even know if I want the HD-3000 or not. The picture is already fantastic. in your testing is the picture with the HD-3000 paired up to the 7100 worth the 2300 it will cost to buy it? I just can't see this projector getting much better than it already is. Your thoughts...

I'd just run component cables from the Tosh. The HD3000 is a high end hot rod device for the rich and famous.

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Man, and Here I was hoping you would have told me that it was worth it and to get it! and hey, I am rich.....and infamous I'm still probably going to go for it once the theater has been completed. For now, there isn't really any point.
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Okay GrapeNuts!

I'm a sucker for screenshots so when/if you get the inclination, I'd love to see what this puppy is capable of even if it's on a wall.

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i just purchased the HDA!, i am crossing my fingers.

if it doesn't work i will be very dis-satisfied.




i will post my results.
as i have just dropped 5 thousand on my entertainment system in 2 days.

So Far... So Good... So What!
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