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The original The official:Sony (Pearl) 1920x1080 SXRD thread was getting long. Lots of good info. The thread has been closed to make room for for new current information from the show.
Please post all releated information to this thread.

Here is the active The official Ruby Calibration Q/A Thread

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"it will not only accept a native 1080p/24 signal, it will display 1080p/24 material at 96fps"
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"it will not only accept a native 1080p/24 signal, it will display 1080p/24 material at 96fps"

Well, this answers one of the questions that we were all wondering about a few weeks ago:

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More of a surprise is that the projector uses a single-chip video processing solution, which is certainly a cost reducer, and that it will not only accept a native 1080p/24 signal, it will display 1080p/24 material at 96fps, which is a multiple of film's 24fps rate.

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I just came across the engadget post on the Pearl and it was painful to read the comments:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/13/s...edia/#comments

"Contrast ratio is the difference between the whiteness of your projection surface, and what the projector delivers as white.. "

" the human eye is incapable of detecting contrast ratios greater than 800:1."

"It won't have any "upconvert technology" - meaning all DVDs and not HDTV materials will be displayed in the box in the middle"

"900 lumens? Do you have to have this in a cave...a lot of the projectors I've seen lately are 2000 lumens? maybe even higher. "

Oh the humanity.

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=4K "it will not only accept a native 1080p/24 signal, it will display 1080p/24 material at 96fps"

Does it matter? If there is no blanking between frames (a moment of black) then 24/48/72/96 fps should look identical. I know this is an issue for CRT projectors, and perhaps colorwheel DLP? but does it matter SXRD or LCD?
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Does it matter? If there is no blanking between frames (a moment of black) then 24/48/72/96 fps should look identical. I know this is an issue for CRT projectors, and perhaps colorwheel DLP? but does it matter SXRD or LCD?

It matters because until now we did not have confirmation that the Pearl would display 24fps at an even multiple of 24, so we did not know if we were truly eliminating judder.
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Between Sony and JVC... I mean, now we're just talking about what a great price 1080ps are hitting.

AVguide calls it "Still, this looks like a DLP killer at half the price (or less) of 1080p projectors using that technology."

And today they're going to announce the JVC so this is a trend.

"It's already clear that this year's CEDIA will be the 1080p projector show. JVC is demonstrating an update to their D-ILA technology in a prototype projector with 0.7″ 1920×1080 imaging chips and, thanks to a newly developed optical system, a claimed contrast ratio of 10,000:1 with a peak light output of 800 lumens. The first commercial product is slated to be a home theater projector that will be available in early 2007 with a price tag of less than $7000! I have an appointment to see it Thursday morning, and I'll let you know how it looks after that. "


I mean, if you're a gazillionaire... but the trickle down price drops should hit by Christmas, don't you think?
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I just came across the engadget post on the Pearl and it was painful to read the comments:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/13/s...edia/#comments

"Contrast ratio is the difference between the whiteness of your projection surface, and what the projector delivers as white.. "

" the human eye is incapable of detecting contrast ratios greater than 800:1."

"It won't have any "upconvert technology" - meaning all DVDs and not HDTV materials will be displayed in the box in the middle"

"900 lumens? Do you have to have this in a cave...a lot of the projectors I've seen lately are 2000 lumens? maybe even higher. "

Oh the humanity.

You freaked me out for a second. When I saw "no upconvert technology" for a second I thought this was real information about the processing, and then I realized that these were lame user comments, apparently from the mentally challenged.
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"it will not only accept a native 1080p/24 signal, it will display 1080p/24 material at 96fps"

What I want to know is whether it will inverse telecine a 60i film-source singal to 24p.
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I hope the calibrated lumens isn't too low on this thing. I'm waiting for a 1080p pj under $5k that can be used during the day.
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I hope the calibrated lumens isn't too low on this thing. I'm waiting for a 1080p pj under $5k that can be used during the day.

Calibrated lumens and contrast have already been measured at min and max throw on a pre-prod unit. Check out the Cine4home.com review of the Pearl.

You will need to use the Pearl in a light controlled environment for decent results, like most every other projector.
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just run in high lamp mode and enjoy it....I still don't think it's going to be a "daytime" pj unless you get a 5000 lumens jobby. By the way, whats the lamp life rated at in both modes?

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today is the first day of CEDIA.....come you guys and gals...spill the beans!

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I've started a wiki page here to collect all the details about the Pearl.... I'm so stoked about this projector. I really wanted a Ruby, but it was waaaaaay more than I could pay for a projector.

Please feel free to add anything to page.

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Would 119" diagonal be too much for the Pearl?
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119" sounds like you may be up against the limit. Based on some of the Ruby reports, you may need a perfect dark room.

Darn, where's the sticky on the new Optoma?

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Calibrated lumens and contrast have already been measured at min and max throw on a pre-prod unit. Check out the Cine4home.com review of the Pearl.

You will need to use the Pearl in a light controlled environment for decent results, like most every other projector.

700 lumens calibrated is still pretty good and is probably a bit brighter than my ae900u. I use the 900u with the blinds partially closed during the day, and I've got no problems watching TV. Of course, like you said, the best performance will be in light controlled situations. If I do end up getting this pj, I'll do plenty of night time movie viewing.
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How do the black levels on SXRD compare to the best DLPs?
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Pearl + 92" Diagonal High Power, from minimum permissable distance from the screen = 52Ft/Lamberts........too bright(Cine4Home 470Lumens/Low power on globe)

Can the Pearl lens take filters.

Any filter sugestions

Any CCxxR plus 81b recomendations?

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Would 119" diagonal be too much for the Pearl?

Thats ~41 Sq Ft for a 16x9 screen. Using the Cine4Home review # of 470 lumens in econo mode/ max zoom and a 1.0 gain screen;

FtL = (lumens*gain)/ area = (470*1)/41 = 11.5 FtL around what you should get in a movie theater

On a HiPower or Silverstar with gain ~ 3.0 = 34.5 FtL around what you get from a RPTV!
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119" sounds like you may be up against the limit. Based on some of the Ruby reports, you may need a perfect dark room.

Darn, where's the sticky on the new Optoma?


That's the problem I'm having. I have 115" .95 gain screen. I think it will be okay with a fresh bulb, but after a few hundred hours I'm not so sure.
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Have you ever wondered how these guys get a projector way before release date?
http://cine4home.com/reviews/project...VW50Review.htm

Do you want a Pearl? in September before anyone else? below MSRP?

Sound to good to be true? nope PM me. But only if you are serious and are willing to pull the trigger. Not the Trygger
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More of a surprise is that the projector uses a single-chip video processing solution, which is certainly a cost reducer

So, what does this mean in practical terms - that the video processing in the Pearl is not going to be very good? Will this necessitate the need for an outboard processor to realize the full potential of this projector? Also, if the Pearl is fed a 1080 source from a Blu-ray or HD DVD disc, is the internal processor by-passed?
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So, what does this mean in practical terms - that the video processing in the Pearl is not going to be very good? Will this necessitate the need for an outboard processor to realize the full potential of this projector? Also, if the Pearl is fed a 1080 source from a Blu-ray or HD DVD disc, is the internal processor by-passed?

This is the 10,000 dollar question. In the Cine4Home review, the Pearl's processor failed PAL film mode tests. No tests have been published regarding 1080i deinterlacing, so we do not know how it will perform.

I believe it's probably safe to assume that the Pearl will properly display a 1080p signal at its native rate. Regarding non-native content, I am guarded but optimistic.
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Have you ever wondered how these guys get a projector way before release date?
http://cine4home.com/reviews/project...VW50Review.htm

Do you want a Pearl? in September before anyone else? below MSRP?

Sound to good to be true? nope PM me. But only if you are serious and are willing to pull the trigger. Not the Trygger

Don't bother PMing Tryg. Just call AVS.
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Just saw it. I have some screen shots on the top of the forum. Poor screen in the room unfortunately so I don't think it showed what it was really capable of.
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I was able to see a ton of projectors today at CEDIA. While I think the VW100 was a little better (red especially stood out), I am now convinced that the VW50 is the projector for me. I thought the VW50 looked stunning!

Sony was also showing off their new receiver that upconverts just about everything to 1080p and its MSRP is only $1400! Seemed like a perfect combination.

My head is still spinning from the show, wow that was cool to see everything! Epson had an especially cool display showing the guts of a 3 chip LCD and a DLP actually running so you could see the light paths all throughout the projectors, neat stuff.
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Any more "input" on what you saw of the pearl? You think it can be the magic cure from a Sony HS20? What did you think of the Mits 5000, although they are saying it is set up wrong etc so no REAL comparisons yet. I have a homemade 98" screen but I really like it.....I'm sure the Pearl's a big step up from the HS20.

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What I want to know is whether it will inverse telecine a 60i film-source singal to 24p.

Also what I'm wondering. Why in all this time has no one confirmed yay or nay on this issue???

1080p and lossless audio. EVERY BD should have them both.
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