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post #241 of 811 Old 05-26-2007, 08:40 AM
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That's why I'm going to start taking the DLP projectors more seriously at this point. Although I have yet to see one worthy of the price difference as well. I don't mind paying twice as much for a 25% overall improvement, but all of those expensive DLP projectors seem to have one or more major weaknesses that negate the additional cost. (and I'm not dropping $120K on any projector, just for the principle of it) No projector is perfect for sure, but you have to be able to justify the cost. I'd drop $50,000 on a projector, but I don't think anything in that price range justfies the cost for me... I can live with a 10' wide scope screen for the time being. Well see what the 1080p Titan looks like, thats next on the eval list.

I'm not going to give up the Ruby for an RS-1, there just isn't enough reason to do so. I doubt the Diamond would make me want to jump ship as well. There just isn't enough overall difference between any of these projectors for people to jump to another in my opinion... for those new people who don't have projectors, or have outdated projectors, sure it matters more. If buying today, no question I'd get an RS-1.

I think the Diamond, Amethyst, and the RS-1 are each going to have their advantages. The Amethyst will be the leader in price/performance, the RS-1 the remaining leader of native contrast and no brightness compression, and the Diamond the best colors and lumen output...

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If a Diamond is to sell at 3x the price of the VW60 the former needs new panels.

But the expected price according to the articles is $8-9K, my guess: $8,999.00... Amethyst likely $3,999.00 so that is not much more than 2X cost (not 3X). I hope I am wrong!!! I hope you are right!!! I'd love to have a reason to give Sony more money!!! Do some things on that wish list and charge more money!!!

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I think Diamond will get new panels but I think they will be a little short of the JVC panels. A good guess could be around 10000:1 native which could perform well on its own and perhaps better with a good DI

Let's hope for improved panels over the Amethyst. But Sony will not be able to hide with fake marketing numbers!! We will measure the native contrast of those panels with the DI off!!!
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I'm afraid that the manufacturers simply aren't looking at low volume high cost devices in the business model. They want to sell a lot of projectors.

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Let's hope for improved panels over the Amethyst. But Sony will not be able to hide with fake marketing numbers!! We will measure the native contrast of those panels with the DI off!!!

And yet, everyone will watch with the DI on.
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The point is that the RS-1 native contrast without DI, is the reason it looks so good. Would an RS-1 benefit from the latest Sony DI? I'm not sure... In a positive way, the DI in the Sony is adjustable and configureable in every which way, which to me only makes the DI an advantage. the flexibility of the auto-iris is what makes it great I think...

However, the RS-1 being able to achieve the contrast it does without a DI is key. That is going to be its strength. All things being equal, sure, I'd like a Sony DI. But they aren't. I'd have a preference for 15,000:1 native over 5,000:1 native achieving 15,000 (or even 20,000:1) with DI. Sorry, it is the native contrast of the JVC that makes it such a winner. You can't cheat on the advantage of native contrast.

The reason for my statement about measuring with the DI off was only to know that the true native contrast will be measured, nothing more nothing less. ... remember, the auto Iris on can cause brightness compression It is not a free ride.

My ideal hybrid projector would be the JVC panels, 800W xenon bulb, and the latest Sony DI improvements (and the improvements on the wish list one the previous page, all of which are being done in projectors today).

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The name "Diamond" from sony is a planned subliminal thing. Always looking for ways around the WF when we want to buy something new for the HT system. Mention the name "Diamond" and "buy it" quickly rolls off her tongue
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The name "Diamond" from sony is a planned subliminal thing. Always looking for ways around the WF when we want to buy something new for the HT system. Mention the name "Diamond" and "buy it" quickly rolls off her tongue

That is sheer marketing genius!
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Any more word on new projectors? I've been gone for a month... You never know Getting anxious to replace the Ruby (give to father soon)...
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I am beginning to feel (that's right feel) it won't be introduced at Cedia. The VPL-VW60 will. You can bank on it. The VPL-VW50 has been discontinued and prices substantially lowered on existing stock. The VPL-VW100 which the VPL-VW200 would replace has not been discontinued. If Sony were going to show the 200 at Cedia it would have been discontinued by now. Just a feeling. Anything could happen but nobody here really knows anything. Check back in 5 weeks.

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I am beginning to feel (that's right feel) it won't be introduced at Cedia. The VPL-VW60 will. You can bank on it. The VPL-VW50 has been discontinued and prices substantially lowered on existing stock. The VPL-VW100 which the VPL-VW200 would replace has not been discontinued. If Sony were going to show the 200 at Cedia it would have been discontinued by now. Just a feeling. Anything could happen but nobody here really knows anything. Check back in 5 weeks.

I don't disagree with any of your logic - but I
was told by SONY at CES - that the ONLY show
they would announce a NEW PJ at is CEDIA.

Therefore - I doubt they would wait until CEDIA
2008 for a VW200 announcement. That is giving
away much too much market opportunity to the
Competition.
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I don't disagree with any of your logic - but I
was told by SONY at CES - that the ONLY show
they would announce a NEW PJ at is CEDIA.

Therefore - I doubt they would wait until CEDIA
2008 for a VW200 announcement. That is giving
away much too much market opportunity to the
Competition.

I hope you're correct, I'm very interested in this PJ... assuming the price is under the current Ruby.
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I hope you're correct, I'm very interested in this PJ... assuming the price is under the current Ruby.

It would be a replacement for the Ruby - I doubt
it would be priced under the Ruby. That is what
the VW60 is for.
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It would be a replacement for the Ruby - I doubt
it would be priced under the Ruby. That is what
the VW60 is for.

Exactly...

Still hoping for a long lasting 700-800W Xenon bulb, high-end lens options, and much improved native contrast similar to the RS-1... Sony has to make a big show with the Diamond, otherwise the RS-1 remains king.

Make it hands down no contest over the RS-1, otherwise why bother... The amethyst is the bargain unit, the diamond has much to prove... Charge $15,000+ and still make me say it is a bargain, that is the kind of performance I'm looking for....
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Charge $15,000+ and still make me say it is a bargain, that is the kind of performance I'm looking for....

And how many would they sell, 10, 100, 500 ?
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100,000+ if it is a breakthrough product
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The name "Diamond" from sony is a planned subliminal thing. Always looking for ways around the WF when we want to buy something new for the HT system. Mention the name "Diamond" and "buy it" quickly rolls off her tongue


Yet this never seems to work when I offer to give her a "pearl necklace".


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Yet this never seems to work when I offer to give her a "pearl necklace".


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100,000+ if it is a breakthrough product

IIRC the total US market for HT pj >$3K was < 50,000 units in 2006, with the Ruby the leading individual seller.
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Well guys. We are going to se the Sony diamond, the VPL-VW200 at Cedia. I don't know any details. But its going to be MSRP $15K. and it will be introduced at Cedia. A Qualia replacement. that's all I know.No specs. No details. The VPL-VW60 that MSRP will be $5000. Thats it. Do you know any deatils? No.

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Well guys. We are going to se the Sony diamond, the VPL-VW200 at Cedia. I don't know any details. But its going to be MSRP $15K. and it will be introduced at Cedia. A Qualia replacement. that's all I know.No specs. No details. The VPL-VW60 that MSRP will be $5000. Thats it. Do you know any deatils? No.


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I am beginning to feel (that's right feel) it won't be introduced at Cedia. The VPL-VW60 will. You can bank on it. The VPL-VW50 has been discontinued and prices substantially lowered on existing stock. The VPL-VW100 which the VPL-VW200 would replace has not been discontinued. If Sony were going to show the 200 at Cedia it would have been discontinued by now. Just a feeling. Anything could happen but nobody here really knows anything. Check back in 5 weeks.


hey Mark, the VPL-VW50 is NOT discountinued yet. I sure it will be soon, just not yet. My uncle works for Sony headquarters in NJ and confirmed the Pearl is not yet discontinued.
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To support this price, I think they will go to an external video processor and perhaps a lens for CIH.
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Please, I hope they do not give us some useless outboard VP. At that price this will target videophile's who will want the choice of their own VP to maximize the product. Any time a company makes that decision for you its always blundered somehow falling short on performance. If it does come with a VP please leave it out and offer the projector for 10k unless the VP is something unique. Maybe it will include full sub pixel convergence adjustment allowing for perfect convergence..
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The VPL-VW50 is not being manufactured any more. There is eisting stock and Sony has lowered the price on it. I think we are arquing semantics.Technically Sony will consider it discontinued in september but what's the difference. Existing stock is on sale.

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I think we are arquing semantics.


I agree, I think we are too.
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Let's speculate endlessly about what it won't and will have and what we want it to have or not have. however, nothing we say or do will now change whatever it will be.. It could be anything such as 2000 lumens, a great lens, quieter than Alan . We just don't know but its Aan's bandwidth and it will keep you off the streets and out of trouble Let's see if you can make this thread 100 pages before anybody knows anything..

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You are right. What ever it is it is. Im sure it will have some lumens. Let the speculations begin

We are all waiting for that projector to come along good enough to make you consider retiring your Marquee
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Let's speculate endlessly about what it won't and will have and what we want it to have or not have. however, nothing we say or do will now change whatever it will be.. It could be anything such as 2000 lumens, a great lens, quieter than Alan . We just don't know but its Aan's bandwidth and it will keep you off the streets and out of trouble Let's see if you can make this thread 100 pages before anybody knows anything..

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No Art. None of the guys has seen one yet or has any details. Sony has dealer trainings all around the country during July and August. Even the projector guy who does the training for the FPs hasn't seen the stuff or has any details. The road show training just goes over the old stuff. Guess who won't be attending that?

Let's see if I can imitate Cliffy. YO. BIG DAWG. Will you be attending Cedia? I gotta pre-order the strippers. Ya right. The only strippers I order are for wire.

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Let's speculate endlessly about what it won't and will have and what we want it to have or not have. however, nothing we say or do will now change whatever it will be.. It could be anything such as 2000 lumens, a great lens, quieter than Alan . We just don't know but its Aan's bandwidth and it will keep you off the streets and out of trouble Let's see if you can make this thread 100 pages before anybody knows anything..

Extra Lumens are always good.

My Theater is extremely well light controlled.
I also have a high-gain screen - so every lumen
counts There are scenes with my Ruby that
I actually think are too bright already. Control
over the Lumens is good to have.

I'd like to see minimum 120Hz and electronic
convergence so I can sharpen the picture even
more than the Ruby.

That is what I would look for and I know those
things were intended to be in the VW200. Did
they make it? I have no clue.
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