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post #211 of 296 Old 11-07-2006, 06:10 AM
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I definitely plan on doing some serious viewing of a Pearl and new 1080p DLP's before making a final decision, but I can tell you this (and I've posted this before) I spent about 45-50 minutes doing a direct A/B comparison with a Samsung 1080p DLP (61") and Sony SXRD 60" RPTV's that were sitting side by side. I won't repost my entire review here, but I will say this: after careful viewing, it appeared to me that the SXRD was actually resolving slightly more detail than the Samsung. The SXRD picture was definitely "smoother" than the DLP. This does NOT equate to "soft" in my opinion. The SXRD appeared plenty sharp, just not in a "harsh" way compared to the DLP.


I made a similar observation when comparing the Peal to HD81. The Pearl was sharp and detailed but not in a "digital" way if that makes sense. I guess this is why many describe the image as "film like". The HD81 appeared more digital by comparison but no more detailed.

Both produced great PQ so I guess it's a matter of taste.

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I made a similar observation when comparing the Peal to HD81. The Pearl was sharp and detailed but not in a "digital" way if that makes sense. I guess this is why many describe the image as "film like". The HD81 appeared more digital by comparison but no more detailed.

Both produced great PQ so I guess it's a matter of taste.

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Exactly.

Ironically, I plan on viewing a Ruby later this afternoon. Looking forward to it!
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Hi,

Please can anyone post some Star Wars & Indiana Jones screenshots using this wonderful projector!

A New Hope & Raiders would be great

Thanks very much

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Mostly High so far, I would say 65% high, 35% low


Pearl is 13 feet away for the screen.


Was glad you had the distance shown. You previously stated you had a 108" screen. Is the actual size of the picture or of the screen.

I want around 100" from 12'.

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Hi,

Please can anyone post some Star Wars & Indiana Jones screenshots using this wonderful projector!

A New Hope & Raiders would be great

Thanks very much

Lance

After calibrating this eveing I'll see if I can take a few shots, again for the sake of entertainment.

The source material will have to be upscaled either through my HD-XA1 or Oppo 971. Unfortunately I don't have CinemaxHD for the Star Wars episode IV, or any Indiana Jones in HD.

Do you have any particular scenes in mind?

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After calibrating this eveing I'll see if I can take a few shots, again for the sake of entertainment.

The source material will have to be upscaled either through my HD-XA1 or Oppo 971. Unfortunately I don't have CinemaxHD for the Star Wars episode IV, or any Indiana Jones in HD.

Do you have any particular scenes in mind?

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Hi Dan,

That would be great

The opening scene ANH with Vader aboard the blockade runner and the start of Raiders with Indy in the temple with the Idol would be superb.

Thanks very much
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After calibrating this eveing I'll see if I can take a few shots, again for the sake of entertainment.

The source material will have to be upscaled either through my HD-XA1 or Oppo 971. Unfortunately I don't have CinemaxHD for the Star Wars episode IV, or any Indiana Jones in HD.

Do you have any particular scenes in mind?

Dan

That screwed up shot of R2D2 and C-3PO on the dunes would be much appreciated. I'm trying to figure out how much of the "color uniformity" problem I had on this scene was due to the reportedly messed up negatives in the source of these scenes, and how much was due to my Pearl. If you would, watch that entire scene and watch for any color issues.
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Could the posters of the screen shots show the throw distance and the diagonal screen dimension please? This would help me in estimating where to have the projector.

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Could the posters of the screen shots show the throw distance and the diagonal screen dimension please? This would help me in estimating where to have the projector.

I am also in Houston and looking to set up a Pearl. Have you seen one in action yet?
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Not yet. Just started to look into projectors.

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OK, here's more. I'll get back to SW-IV and check out that dunes scene, gremmy, as soon as I can. Frankly, I can't get as enthusiastic about SD DVD stuff nowadays, and you can see why to some extent in the Indiana Jones shots that I will put in a different post. I mean, it's all right and after you get into the picture the resolution difference isn't as apparent, but switching back and forth between HD DVD and SD DVD can be tough on the eyes. I may need to get a Crystalio II.

I got carried away last night watching the HD DVD of King Kong that arrived yesterday so have a few screenshots, some of which I've cropped to get rid of the time bar. I've included a few dark shots as this, I feel, shows off the strengths of the Pearl. These photos have been edited to reflect, to the best of my abilities, the original image quality. Despite this, they still should be viewed primarily for entertainment. Part II of Kong photos may follow in the next few days, but IMO much of the CGI stuff doesn't look as good as the "real" stuff, although I do like the impressionistic quality of the boat on the rocks scene.








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Awesome screen shots.

I don't hear guys talk about Noami Watts much, but that girl is hot.
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Interesting -- these photos look very undigital -- and the don't have the ultra sharpness mant/most digital PJ's have
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I'm going to try and post some more screens tomorrow. Some HD-DVD stuff and Gears of War.
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great work with the shots, wheres the LOTR`s shots then!!.

DAN is that a high pwer screen you use?

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Yes, it is a 116" x 65" High Power, that works very well with the Pearl. These shots were taken after I did a calibration with no autoiris, but autoiris1 was used in these shots. I have not calibrated in autoiris modes yet. I also used cinema and gamma3, the latter after reading the Greg Rogers review indicating that (at least on his sample) gives a gamma of about 2.3.

Regarding screenshot technique, I've talked about this before, but the digital shots on my PowerShot 620 tend to enhance apparent contrast, usually by applying what looks like the equivalent of a higher gamma. So, much of my editing in Photoshop involves a bit of elevation of black level and minor adjustment of contrast. I don't usually touch color saturation. With my monitor at home this results in images that look more like those actually projected. Another key, I think, is to use a low ISO - I use 50, and manual settings to adjust for approximate brightness brightness, a tripod, and use of the delayed timer to remove any camera shake from button pushing.

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Here are a few more King Kong HD DVD screenshots, and they're bigger files, too:


I included this first shot because there was some controversy over in the HD DVD software forum about this transfer suffering from some blocking. I see a bit of grain.









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Here are some Raiders of the Lost Ark screenshots as promised. The source is standard definition DVD upconverted with the Toshiba HD-XA1.















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Once again, beautiful pics.
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Here are some Raiders of the Lost Ark screenshots as promised. The source is standard definition DVD upconverted with the Toshiba HD-XA1.
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Thanks Dan

Those photos look fantatistic.
I reall hope I can get one of these next year.
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Very nice... I just showed Raiders to my kids for the first time. Great movie, and beautiful on the Pearl even for SD DVD.

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Fans of Forbidden Planet may check out Pearl screenshots on the HD DVD software forum.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8923422

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this is a great thread, I can't wait for more screen caps.

keep up the good work.
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hi
super screenshots. the depth-3D is SO MUCH bigger on RAIDERS !!! KK is a CGI cartoon compared. I know i hit the nail constantly but it's Spielberg with animatronics who should have done KK .
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Dan:

what settings do you have on the PEARL that gives in yr opinion the best contrast ratio (which is room dependent a lot of course)

here are mine (room is black):
DYNAMIC (image size is about 3meters wide)
CONTRAST 85
BRIGHTNESS 62
GAMMA OFF (which as per widescreen gives 2.15 curve, quite good)
BLACK LEVEL OFF
AUTO 1
LAMP HIGH
had to lower RED a bit
COLOR TEMP: custom
sce at O IRE (Pioneer)
scaler : brigthness 0 contrast: +10
projector sits at 6Meters from screen

i still miss a bit the ansi contrast of the DLP. that mirror that goes on or off, see what i mean ?
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guys:

would you say the high power gain increases also the contrast / contrast ratio ?
or it's the "punch", the dynamic of the image ?
i have 1.4 mp and already the "gain paint" is too visible because of the MPerforations.

a non perf screen can go much higher in gain without this "problem".
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Dan:

what settings do you have on the PEARL that gives in yr opinion the best contrast ratio (which is room dependent a lot of course)

here are mine (room is black):
DYNAMIC (image size is about 3meters wide)
CONTRAST 85
BRIGHTNESS 62
GAMMA OFF (which as per widescreen gives 2.15 curve, quite good)
BLACK LEVEL OFF
AUTO 1
LAMP HIGH
had to lower RED a bit
COLOR TEMP: custom
sce at O IRE (Pioneer)
scaler : brigthness 0 contrast: +10
projector sits at 6Meters from screen

i still miss a bit the ansi contrast of the DLP. that mirror that goes on or off, see what i mean ?

My image size with the High Power is 116" wide. I use default settings 80 for contrast and 50 for brightness, cinema, gamma3 (I basically use what looks best for a given source, and often it's off or at gamma3, lately), autoiris1, and custom temp settings derived from a Spyder2 sensor calibration. I use wide color mode with red turned down in RCP to -5 or so. My lamp is at high. I found dynamic mode to blow out whites and crush blacks, but standard mode doesn't look bad though I haven't investigated measurement-wise what it's doing to gamma or otherwise. The gamma3 and RCP adjustment are taken from Greg Rogers' WSR review recommendations and they work well for me.

I use a Toshiba HD-XA1 now to upconvert SD DVD and HD DVD, JVC 30000 for DVHS, and Dish 942 or ViP622 for satellite HD sources.

The High Power doesn't change the on-off contrast ratio, it just provides gain so that images appear far more dynamic. A dark environment does help ANSI CR which isn't as good with the Pearl as with DLP. The High Power does selectively suppress side reflections so it could be said to help apparent ANSI CR.

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hi
thanks Dan.
i still can't figure out why CRT has bad ansi but massive ON OFF contrast while DLP has 5-7x more ansi contrast vs LCOS which has around 200-240ansi and DLP still has better blacks. has to do with the mirrors system (on-off). which somehow is better at approaching the contrast impression you with a CRT.
Really odd.
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this is a great thread, I can't wait for more screen caps.

keep up the good work.

OK, this is perhaps the final run of KK screencaps. A couple of the scene choices - the side shot of the plane and of the plane firing - are inspired by another poster who's shots I saw recently.




















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