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post #151 of 1603 Old 12-12-2006, 07:11 AM
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Also- because Epson makes the D6, they also have the "secret recipe" to make them work flawlessly. This info is not shared with competitors.

Do you know that for a fact and have a source for this? Maybe they have a deeper knowledge of the matter, but I doubt if they have information they intentionally do not share which is vital to quality.
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So - you're telling me that I can, at this moment, purchase a TW1000 for $2950, give or take a few dollars, in Japan; English menus, US voltages, no fiddling required, and Epson honestly expects us to pay $2,000 more for the privilege of buying one from a US dealer? I have purchased electronics from asia from time to time for many years. I've never seen this degree of price difference on a identical product available in both places. It's not so much the consumers who should care, heck, we can buy from japan, but Epson is giving a firm and unmistakeable middle finger to it's entire NA dealer network - heck you could almost buy two of them from Japan, in case one breaks, for the price it's holding it's american dealers up to. You can say this is volume issues but this is no playstation and the US pj market is not huge - this is just epson not giving a damn about the folks who have invested the time and effort to represent their product in a foreign market. More to the point they are flatly asking folks to ignore their dealers and purchase online. Just sad.
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Not only the US.
In Europe we have to pay that amount in Euros! Which is 25% more!!!

Maybe someone here will organize a powerbuy from Japan
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Does anyone know if the 1000 will have the same throw distances as the 800? I need to achieve a 110" image at 11 ft. Is this possible with the 1000?

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It's not so much the consumers who should care, heck, we can buy from japan, but Epson is giving a firm and unmistakeable middle finger to it's entire NA dealer network...

That's just the way it has been with Epson. The NA models tend to get some goodies but they are for high-end installers to push and sell. Panasonic also has some Japan/NA price differences, but have since tried to make their Japanese models unattractive to NA buyers.

But those are the extreme examples. Try buying a Sony over there, or a Yamaha, or (from what I recall) even a Marantz. You're not saving anything, you pay more.

Paradigm does the same thing with their pricing in Canada. They are a Canadian company. I don't think it's so much flipping the bird to non-Canadian customers as much as it is giving people who aren't blessed with the U.S. electronics market a good break on local goods.

Anyway, I would agree for sure that Epson's marketing strategy seems ridiculous, though if we're going to single them out we have a lot more companies that need to get the spotlight as well. There are a lot of projector companies that seem to have sales policies in place that simply defy reality, but they are still in business. Perhaps Epson simply accepts the loss in volume as a necessary cost to have the Epson brand name recognized as elite, which may help drive panel sales. Maybe they do it because of deals with other projector manufacturers who use Epson panels. Who knows?

Vote with your dollar and things will change. I never in my life would have imagined the direction JVC has gone with their RS-1, and I bet that's directly due to the hand-over-fist sales (e.g. consumer voting) of Sony's latest products (or someone is not telling us how cheap the SXRD/LCOS stuff has gotten to manufacture).

Otherwise, 1080p LCD will probably be down to $3k in the U.S. from somebody by mid '07 after discounting I'm sure. Then everyone with a border on the Pacific can laugh at the European prices until the Euro rises enough to buy us all.
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@beatboy77: AFAIK the Epson will have a 2.1:1 zoom. So even better than the Panasonic FullHD.

@wildfire: Problem is, that the price difference is not marginal anymore. I only know the Euro prices, which is about 1=$1.25. And the Epson will be less than 2k Euros in Japan and about 4k in Germany.
So it will be about 2500 USD v. 5000 USD. That's effectively double the price. It's buy one gte one free!

Sorry, but that really makes no sense from any point of view. This far exceeds selling cheaper to the home market.
If a UK based company sells a 4k product for 300 less in the UK, then that's OK. But selling something half price in this price regions is an insult to every costumer!
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Both Japanese importers I contacted said they would not have the TW1000 "this year" due to "massive shortages of D6 panels".
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Let's keep to the rules, but I found one that will ship in "three weeks" which I guess technically is no longer this year - but could any domestic dealer do better at this point - I don't see anyone with it in stock.
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Have Epson even released firm pricing on the 1000 for the US market yet ?

The pricing in Japan on the 1000 seems to be;
YEN 305,000
USD 2,953
EUR 2,248
AUD 3,777

Last time I checked the Mits5000 (1080p) was $3000USD in Japan and 50% higher at $4500 in the US, so Epson doesn't seem to be the only the one with higher US pricing.

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I believe a MAP of $4,999 has been confirmed - that's the important number to an authorized dealer anyway.

also - you can do the 1000 for 2950 shipped, the 5000 seems to run 3200 shipped - still a big delta, but tighter margin between japan and what it's being advertised for here.
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Maybe I'm not seeing straight or thinking clearly since I'm completely and thoroughly impressed by the Epson 810 I recently bought, but I honestly don't see what all the price commotion is about.
If my numbers are right The Mits is streeting for $4500 here in the US and the Epson's expected MSRP is $4999 so that's $500 more for the Epson than the Mits.

So what's Epson offering for that $500 (if it does sell at MSRP)?
It's considerably brighter that the Mits offering more lumens (might be the brightest of this 1080p crop). Has better optics, a better 2.1 lens vs the Mits 1.6 offering more placement flexibility, HDMI 1.3, a higher contrast ratio of 12000:1 vs 10000:1 on the Mits, dual iris and 2yr overnight replacement warranty to name just a few differences.

I'm not one to carelessly throw money around, but does the price seem all that unreasonable ? I don't see people on the Mits5000 thread complaining about why they're paying at least $1300 more here than those in Japan.

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"The Mits is streeting for $4500 here in the US "

According to pjcentral that's the MSRP

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"The Mits is streeting for $4500 here in the US "

According to pjcentral that's the MSRP

$4500 is what the Mits is selling for at authorized dealers;
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I know someone has found the Mits at an authorized dealer for about 1/3 less, and about what one would pay to import a TW1000.
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Lots of places claim to be "authorized" dealers and there's so many of them in the Brooklyn area too.

But the point is we're comparing the MSRP of the Mits at $4500 to the MSRP of the Epson 1080 at $4999 which is a $500 difference and for that difference you do get quite a bit more with the Epson to justify it. So the price isn't all that shocking, at least in my opinion.
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Lots of places claim to be "authorized" dealers and there's so many of them in the Brooklyn area too.

Nope, this one is clearly listed on the Mitsubishi website as an authorized online dealer:

http://mitsubishi-presentations.com/...uy/buynow.html
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Right here on AVS they are selling the Mits for $3599.00. Ask Jason or Daniel.

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Wow that's 20% off MAP and AVS is still making money on it ? You mean projectorpeople (forum sponsors) are making over a $1000 on each Mits they sell ? That's insane. Even the jap 5000's are being sold on ebay for that much.

Maybe Jason or Daniel can get the same deal on the Epson 1080. It should come in around $3999.
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Too bad about the low spec'd lumens. This would appear to be a less bright projector than Epson's cureent 720P offerings. I will never understand why manufacturers seem to believe that 1080P projectors only need wimpy light output when the high resolution would be most beneficial on really big screens.

I totally agree with you, Scott.
HDTV need even more brighter picture than the standard TV, dim HDTV looks awful compare to Std TV with decent brightness.

To All 1080p HDTV projector ENGINEERS : BRING IN THE LUMENS ! ! !



My Carada 134" Criterion Brilliant White screen needs more brightness
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I'm not one to carelessly throw money around, but does the price seem all that unreasonable ? I don't see people on the Mits5000 thread complaining about why they're paying at least $1300 more here than those in Japan.

The Mitsubishi is slightly more expensive in the US than Japan. But in Europe the Epson will be double the price! Twice the cash. Two bucks for one bang

Should the louder Epson have the better picture on top of being the more flexible one, then it might be the one to buy. But not at the price Epson is asking in Europe. That price is a joke. And German retailers are not exactly know for lowering their prices significantly. I doubt you will find a Mitsu more than 200 below MSRP (which is 3999)!
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Can someone please PM a list of Japanese retailers where I may be able to get the 1000 when it is available?

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The Mitsubishi is slightly more expensive in the US than Japan. But in Europe the Epson will be double the price! Twice the cash. Two bucks for one bang

Should the louder Epson have the better picture on top of being the more flexible one, then it might be the one to buy. But not at the price Epson is asking in Europe. That price is a joke. And German retailers are not exactly know for lowering their prices significantly. I doubt you will find a Mitsu more than 200 below MSRP (which is 3999)!

I'm not sure where you got the idea that the Epson 1000 will be twice the Japan price in EU, it's MSRP in EU including Germany looks like 4000 euros, same EU MSRP as the Mits 5000 that you quoted at 3999.


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Any of you guys in my 720p vs. 1080p debate boat, make sure you check out this thread in the >$3000 forum:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=1#post9158646
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I'm not sure where you got the idea that the Epson 1000 will be twice the Japan price in EU, it's MSRP in EU including Germany looks like 4000 euros, same EU MSRP as the Mits 5000 that you quoted at 3999.


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Yes. And there have been price reports of a japanese price even slightly BELOW 2000. Hence, with a retail price of 4000 in Germany and the dealers usually sticking to this price for quite some time in Europe, you have 2*2000=twice the price.
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Yes. And there have been price reports of a japanese price even slightly BELOW 2000. Hence, with a retail price of 4000 in Germany and the dealers usually sticking to this price for quite some time in Europe, you have 2*2000=twice the price.

My point was that the Mits and Epson are both at the same pricing in the EU at 4000 euros on which we seem to agree.
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But the Mits isn't quite as cheap as the Epson and for me personally not as interesting.
I don't understand why people don't care what they pay.
But it seems that a lot of Europeans just think hell, nothing is being built here so logically I have to pay twice as much because (although like the rest of the world) we have to pay taxes and shipping.

But I do not like being ripped of and paying lots more.

Seriously, who here would buy DVDs at retail price in GErmany? No one. DVDs are better and cheaper in the US, Australia and Asia!

If I were interested in the Mitsubishi, I would be just as angry about that price.
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I had emailed one of the importers about the TW1000 over the past week and they had told me it wouldn't be here this year. But I just got this email at 3:48pm

"Suddenly, one unit of Epson TW1000 came to us.

If you order it now, we can ship it immediately..."

I won't post the rest of it to respect forum rules, but if anyone is interested, send me a PM. I just bought the TW700 last night. Wild, I probably would have jumped on this if I hadn't just ordered the other.
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Sounds fishy to me.
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Fishy how? I think P-J is fairly well known and generally well thought of.

What if I buy it, set it up beside the TW700 and do a comparison like they did in the other forum in Greece. Would anyone want to buy the one I don't want for a hundred dollars off what I pay?
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If it is P-J then you should be fine.
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