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After reading the review of the W10000 on Projectorcentral, I thought to myself, sounds like a great projector. When I read the comments over here however, it nop longer seems the case. I'm reading about *very* low lumens output, low image quality? I have a 8720 today, and must say that this is a top 720p projector in its price class. Do we need to conclude that the W10000 is a misser? Has anyone upgraded from a 9720 to W10000, if so what are your conclusions concerning image quality and lumens output?
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I have and it has only improved. It is a little louder but I think it's because of the color wheel speed as the delay is up from 53 to 97 .

Do you watch alot of HD? If so the improvment in detail is huge.

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i'm sort of interested in updating too. also i still watch lots of dvd. has anything improved concerning fillrate?
but since i've just started enjoying hd and i'm still stunned by the 720p pictures i can wait....
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I do watch HD, however only at 720p (today). My point is to have even smaller pixels and to completely remove any remaining screen door effect (even though I can only detect it today on bright white scenes). I'm able to upgrade from the 8720 to a W1000 for about 1500$. I would however hate to go to something lesser as the 8720 throws a great image.
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Well I have it and love it...Everyone that sees it likes it also. I have no light output issues plenty bright enough and awsome Picture with a HD source
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I have and it has only improved. i
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Dave,

The smaller pixels do help alot. The big issues are the lens shift is not as much as before and the zoom range is less.

Do you have a stand alone scaler?

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I have one and love the image on it. And at $1500 upgrade that is a good deal. I never had a 8720 but have seen it against a W10000 and there is no contest IMHO. If you are in SoCal go to TVA and look for yourself. The way I look at it is there will always be someone that get's a lemen. So only a couple of people that has complained is nothing to worry about. A good example is read the HD81 thread and you will find a few there as well.

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Thanks a lot for the input guys!

I don't have a seperate scaler, my setup is the following;

Denon DVD3930
*HDMI*
Denon AV4306
*HDMI* *COMPONENT*
BenQPE8720

If I upgrade to the W10000 I would go

Denon DVD3930
*HDMI*
BenQ W10000

and

Denon AV4306
*COMPONENT*
BenQ W10000

This way I can go 1080p with the DVD3930.

For high def I use the XBox360 at the moment, which is connected to the AV4306 through the component connection.

Another option would be to use a HDMI switch...
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Have had one for a month or so; paired with a High Power screen. I have not commented as I want my ISF guy to do some work on it. It will benefit from a decent calibration as the colors are off a bit. The 10000 replaces a calibrated Samsung 710 in my theater-- the 710's colors were outstanding, so I want the 10000 broken in with a full calibration before I say anything definitive. Optics on the 10000 are great; razor sharp focus on the entire screen. Brightness with the HP screen is fine-- more than enough punch. HD DVD and HD TV look outstanding from a rez and detail perspective. Mine seemed to improve with 50+ hours on the bulb.
I am very pleased with it but am reserving until the calibration is done-- I think all the makings and potential are there for an excellent unit.

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I--and I think a lot more people--would have been very interested in it if it had not had the long throw, a min of something like 1.8 I believe. To use a HiPower screen--which would be necessary for me with the W10000--I need a throw no larger than 1.5. So it's going to be the JVC RS1 for me. [It was initially rumored to have a short throw, something like a min of 1.5, and I was quite disappointed when it appeared.]
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the WD1000 has a shorter throw than the 8720
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the WD1000 has a shorter throw than the 8720

True. I just checked it on the BenQ website, and the min throw is 1.67. Better than I mentiioned above, but not short enough for me.
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Any new info on the W9000? Or will more info come out after CES? Just curious as to what DLP chip it is actually using and price?
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Have had one for a month or so; paired with a High Power screen. I have not commented as I want my ISF guy to do some work on it. It will benefit from a decent calibration as the colors are off a bit. The 10000 replaces a calibrated Samsung 710 in my theater-- the 710's colors were outstanding, so I want the 10000 broken in with a full calibration before I say anything definitive. Optics on the 10000 are great; razor sharp focus on the entire screen. Brightness with the HP screen is fine-- more than enough punch. HD DVD and HD TV look outstanding from a rez and detail perspective. Mine seemed to improve with 50+ hours on the bulb.
I am very pleased with it but am reserving until the calibration is done-- I think all the makings and potential are there for an excellent unit.


Thanks for the information Jim,

I'm just wondering, when you mention "high prower screen", what is the gain rating of your screen? I'm using a Beamax 1.5 gain screen today with my Benq PE8720. I'm just wondering what the difference will be with the W10000 on this screen? The W10000 is supposed to be the ideal projector to get an ISF calibration done on it.
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Thanks for the information Jim,

I'm just wondering, when you mention "high prower screen", what is the gain rating of your screen? I'm using a Beamax 1.5 gain screen today with my Benq PE8720. I'm just wondering what the difference will be with the W10000 on this screen? The W10000 is supposed to be the ideal projector to get an ISF calibration done on it.

It's the DaLite High Power. It's been a while, but I believe the gain is in the 2.5-2.8 range. Look for Tryg's recent write up. I doubt the 10000 will look much different, in terms of brightness, than your 8720 with your current screen. The larger dmd panel resulted in the shorter throw in the 10000. My 10000 is about 4 inches above the screen's top edge. This results in a few inches of keystoning but virtually no loss of brightness from the retroreflective screen. The HP is a good match if your setup accomodates.

One observation, my Toshiba HD A2 seems to do a better job of up scaling standard def DVDs than my $$$$ HTPC running TheaterTek 2.4. High def looks great. I am not crazy about the image with standard def DVDs... yet.

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True. I just checked it on the BenQ website, and the min throw is 1.67. Better than I mentiioned above, but not short enough for me.

Millerwill im curious what projector are you using right now?
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Millerwill im curious what projector are you using right now?

None! I've never had a FP setup before, but am on the preorder list for a RS1. It has a 1.4 (actually, 1.37) min throw, which will make it perfect for me to mount on a stand right behind our heads for use with a Dalite HiPower screen. I've been reading here in the FP and screen forums for some months now trying to educate myself on all this business; quite fun.

Since I have a dlp RPTV that I have like very much, I have been very much inclined to go with a 1080p dlp projector. All of them, however, have been too restrictive in throw, ect., to work for me. But fortunately the RS1 is very flexible in this regards and seems to be an outstanding performer (and at a good price!).
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I do watch HD, however only at 720p (today). My point is to have even smaller pixels and to completely remove any remaining screen door effect (even though I can only detect it today on bright white scenes). I'm able to upgrade from the 8720 to a W1000 for about 1500$. I would however hate to go to something lesser as the 8720 throws a great image.

Can I ask how to upgrade for $1500? I'd love to jump on a deal like that...
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Can I ask how to upgrade for $1500? I'd love to jump on a deal like that...

I second THAT emotion! I have a PE8700.

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I think he had a buyer for his 8720 and had a connection for a W10000 at a good price.
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I think he had a buyer for his 8720 and had a connection for a W10000 at a good price.

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Unless you got the W10000 for $2500, I think your buyer got the short end of the stick. My wife wants me to sell my 8700, but I can't see getting more than $7-800 for it; for that much, I'd rather keep it for a second PJ system for systemlink Xbox 360 gaming.

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Hey guys (or is it gals) lets try to keep it clean on the boards. 8)
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Unless you got the W10000 for $2500, I think your buyer got the short end of the stick. My wife wants me to sell my 8700, but I can't see getting more than $7-800 for it; for that much, I'd rather keep it for a second PJ system for systemlink Xbox 360 gaming.

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Nope, I did get the W10000 for a very sharp price though. Part of the deal is that I install the projector and the screen for him, as he has no idea how to do it. In all fairness, he did get a good deal, plus, let's be honest a 8720 is worth more than 800$

I do think you're right to keep the 8700 for gaming... I would too
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Hi all.

I realise this is an old thread now, but I have a W10000 on my shortlist, should a 2nd hand unit become available.

My old W5000 was just untouchable for sharpness, thanks largely to its .95" chip.
The W10000, with its unique 3cm Darkchip3 should be a good deal better again! (right?)

One question I have is with the lens throw.
A 2.4 metre-wide image @ 3.6 metres throw is no-go in my room.

Has anyone tried (or heard of anyone trying) the lens mod to achieve greater zoom range?
If so, how much more range do you get?

Thankya kindly in advance...
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