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post #1 of 36 Old 01-09-2007, 07:34 AM - Thread Starter
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I thought for SURE we'd see several threads started by those that have visited the JVC room at Caesar's after all the HYPE!.

We at home are patiently waiting and btw for those that do visit PLEASE ask if the production units will do the VERTICAL STRETCH needed for CIH.

Come on folks please post your findings!

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I'm surprised too.
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I agree - seems awfully quiet. I'm thinking either not that many people are seeing it or some people are taking their time to collect lots of data and organize the info before posting. I think we'll be hearing some more in depth reports tonight or tomorrow.
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I think it is because HD1 is not shown @CES showfloor but at remote location and it is day 1 . am sure reviews will start flowing tonight.
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Would be great to get impressions of both the HD1, shown next to the Pearl, and the RS1, which as I understand it, is shown in a room by itself.
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I thought for SURE we'd see several threads started by those that have visited the JVC room at Caesar's after all the HYPE!.

We at home are patiently waiting and btw for those that do visit PLEASE ask if the production units will do the VERTICAL STRETCH needed for CIH.

Come on folks please post your findings!

Kindly posted by kolson in the HD1 or RS1 thread yesterday:

I saw the RS1 in the JVC suite this afternoon (thanks Tom for the location info!). For those heading over, it is in the bedroom of their suite, playing on a Stewart ST130 that is 8 feet wide.

I didn't have any measuring equipment, but Tom's compatriot reported that it was at 14 FL using the low lamp mode. Certainly seemed more than bright enough. They are using one of the 1st generation HD-DVD players from Toshiba and were playing Fast & Furious Tokyo. Not my personal favorite movie, but we found some scenes that gave the projector a chance to show off.

I can only say that the hype we've seen on the forum appears to be fully justified. What a picture--the colors are more than spot on and the contrast is a huge improvement compared to the past generation. I can see why everyone who's seen it is impressed. When I bought my Marantz VP12-S3, there was a huge difference in contrast between the best DLP and the best LCOS (and a higher price for LCOS). Now I'd say the "real world" contrast is essentially equal between the two (comparing the best of each) and it is certainly better than anyone who shopped for a digital projector 5 or more years ago would have dreamed possible.

The projector is on a small table at the back of the room, so it was possible to put my ear right next to the fan. It certainly puts out a fair amount of heat! I am particularly sensitive about noise and this has resolved my concerns. I would say that it puts out about the same amount of noise as my Marantz.

For those interested in a high quality light canon, you should check out the Optoma booth at the convention center. They're using a "large venue" H81 with an anamorphic lens. If you need a lot of light, it is unbelievably good and the contrast is amazing.

Jason, please keep me on the RS-1 pre-order list, I'm anxious to put this one to work at home.

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So as far as fan noise is concerned on the JVC is the Marantz VP12-S3 quiet?
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Well, I guess I should be happy. I placed my order for the RS1 about 3 weeks ago with AVS and was really worried something would get announced in the less than $8k range that would trump the RS1. So far, doesn't seem to be the case. I'm not a contrast junkie but the RS1 appears to be the perfect blend of what I like in a PJ - with the one exception of needing a little more "brightness". That's the achilles heal of all these units it appears and I'm just going to have to plan on changing that bulb a little more often that I want it seems...
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So as far as fan noise is concerned on the JVC is the Marantz VP12-S3 quiet?

Yes, in low lamp mode... but it (S3) does make some noise in high lamp mode. I believe he was comparing both in low lamp mode.
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I'm waiting, too! Hopefully lovingDVD is right and the reports start flowing later today or tomorrow!

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IIRC wasn't Mark Petersen attending CES? If so I know we can count on some great info from him soon.
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Yes, in low lamp mode... but it (S3) does make some noise in high lamp mode. I believe he was comparing both in low lamp mode.

He was definately comparing both in low lamp mode from what I read as well

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No doubt it is louder in high bulb mode. Its just a question of whether it is still tolerable (which will also depend of course on individual tastes and mounting location relative to seating).
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IIRC wasn't Mark Petersen attending CES? If so I know we can count on some great info from him soon.

Sorry to let you guys down. I had a plumbing leak in the ceiling above my home theater that has turned into a bigger project than I thought and I've been busy with repairs. Hopefully we'll be getting our RS-1s in a month so it's best to wait a little longer for the best review - your own, in your own theater
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Sorry to let you guys down. I had a plumbing leak in the ceiling above my home theater that has turned into a bigger project than I thought and I've been busy with repairs. Hopefully we'll be getting our RS-1s in a month so it's best to wait a little longer for the best review - your own, in your own theater


I hope there was not much damage Mark! I had a main water line break next to and above my theater last summer, and if my GF had not been home to catch it, the theater would have been flooded by the time I got home from work. Even in the small amount of time before she caught it, there was a river running through the yard into the street and it was starting to come through the theater wall!

Hope all is OK

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A crazy idea .. floatation devices for home theater gear?

But the fact that two guys here had close calls, I think there is a market
Maybe someone can push it at CES?

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Mark - Sorry to hear about the flood. I can relate as I just went through the same thing recently in my office - had water running out the light switches and electrical outlets!

Hopefully you don't have a lot of damage from it all...
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Mark - Sorry to hear about the flood. I can relate as I just went through the same thing recently in my office - had water running out the light switches and electrical outlets!

Hopefully you don't have a lot of damage from it all...

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I hope there was not much damage Mark! I had a main water line break next to and above my theater last summer, and if my GF had not been home to catch it, the theater would have been flooded by the time I got home from work. Even in the small amount of time before she caught it, there was a river running through the yard into the street and it was starting to come through the theater wall!

Hope all is OK

I was lucky it was a slow leak and not a flood. It could have been a disaster though because it was a leaky water main in the ceiling that ran directly over the equipment rack. It could have easily burst rather than be a slow leak. As it was it shorted out a few pieces of gear which were fixed under warranty. A large area of drywall in the ceiling needed to be removed due to water damage (and mold) and the plumber made several more holes to replace the pipe. So the drywall repairs have been the worst of it. It happened awhile ago, but I'm trying to get it fixed for the NFL playoffs... I'm going through withdrawals not being able to watch 110" 1080p. The 42" LCD flat panel in the family room doesn't really cut it
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I too thought there would be a LOT of discussions about it!

Only one so far?!?!?

I would love to see more posts from people on the JVC unit from those who are attending CES.

I am still a bit worried if it will work with a 119" screen.
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Gruson

I am sure it will, the screen used in European presentations was even larger than that. Pictures of that you can see on Cine4Home in the cinema set up
I believe this screen was 5mtr wide, not sure exactly about the diagonal, I will check for you. Anyhow this woudl not be a concern for me
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Just for clarification the screen cine4home observed was a 4m wide screen.
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I too thought there would be a LOT of discussions about it!

Only one so far?!?!?

I would love to see more posts from people on the JVC unit from those who are attending CES.

Ditto. IIRC Tryg posted that he was planning to see the RS1 today so maybe we'll have his report later.
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Sorry to let you guys down. I had a plumbing leak in the ceiling above my home theater that has turned into a bigger project than I thought and I've been busy with repairs. Hopefully we'll be getting our RS-1s in a month so it's best to wait a little longer for the best review - your own, in your own theater

Not a problem, just glad to hear your theater survived!
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Gruson, what works for others may not work for you. You have to figure out YOUR preferred level of brightness with your specific setup. Some people are comfortable with 7.5 fL. I prefer a much brighter picture. I use a 123" Firehawk, which has an average gain of 1.0, so the JVC's reported 675 lumens yields 15 fL. At half brightness that's 7.5 lumens, which is perfectly fine for some people, but way too dim for my eyes. I'm waiting to hear about the bulb replacement cost, because I would need to change to bulb more often to maintain optimal brightness.
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Gruson, what works for others may not work for you. You have to figure out YOUR preferred level of brightness with your specific setup. Some people are comfortable with 7.5 fL. I prefer a much brighter picture. I use a 123" Firehawk, which has an average gain of 1.0, so the JVC's reported 675 lumens yields 15 fL. At half brightness that's 7.5 lumens, which is perfectly fine for some people, but way too dim for my eyes. I'm waiting to hear about the bulb replacement cost, because I would need to change to bulb more often to maintain optimal brightness.

Is there a particular reason why you are basing your Firehawk as having gain of only 1.0?
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Is there a particular reason why you are basing your Firehawk as having gain of only 1.0?

glenned measured the Firehawk to be 1.14 gain in the center of the screen, but the gain is much lower on the periphery of the screen. Hence the ballpark 1.0 average. It's possible that the newer Firehawk material has a higher rating.
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We at home are patiently waiting and btw for those that do visit PLEASE ask if the production units will do the VERTICAL STRETCH needed for CIH.

Someone PLEASE tell us it DOES VERTICAL STRETCH
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Someone PLEASE tell us it DOES VERTICAL STRETCH

It would be great but from everything I've read, that isn't happening. I would LOVE to have the problem of talking the wife into lens/screen combo given how cheap it would be to go CH given this feature and lack of the need for a scaler/external processor.
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Gruson, what works for others may not work for you. You have to figure out YOUR preferred level of brightness with your specific setup. Some people are comfortable with 7.5 fL. I prefer a much brighter picture. I use a 123" Firehawk, which has an average gain of 1.0, so the JVC's reported 675 lumens yields 15 fL. At half brightness that's 7.5 lumens, which is perfectly fine for some people, but way too dim for my eyes. I'm waiting to hear about the bulb replacement cost, because I would need to change to bulb more often to maintain optimal brightness.

I understand. I like a nice, bright, and punchy image. I currently use a 119" high powered screen with the Infocus 7200 (light cannon).

I do not like a dim picture.

I know the JVC will KILL my IF7200 in almost every other aspect (black level, contrast, resolution, etc, etc) but I just worry if it will have that DLP "punch" I am used to, especially when viewing HD.

From early reports, it sounds like the JVC will have what I am hoping for.
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I understand. I like a nice, bright, and punchy image. I currently use a 119" high powered screen with the Infocus 7200 (light cannon).

I do not like a dim picture.

I know the JVC will KILL my IF7200 in almost every other aspect (black level, contrast, resolution, etc, etc) but I just worry if it will have that DLP "punch" I am used to, especially when viewing HD.

From early reports, it sounds like the JVC will have what I am hoping for.

From the early reports, yes. But from the recent reports, it's not looking as bright. I will be coming from a 7205 and am now more worried about the light output of the JVC then I was before.
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