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post #91 of 270 Old 06-18-2007, 04:15 PM
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I have always thought that this issue has been almost grotesquely over-hyped. At best it will offer a very small improvement to some scenes.

Depends from movie to movie, edition to edition. Hd-Dvd editions of King Kong or Doom, for example, have a visbile and (to me) disrturbing judder. Most blu-ray don't have (still for my eyes) judder at all.

Do you know if the firmware is the same for USA/European models? If so, can please someone be so kind to mail me the file at locutus2k.nospam@fastwebnet.it (get rid of.nospam to write)? Please .. it will be great.
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I should know this but is Sharp coming out with a new projector? I went to place an order for a customer and my distributor told me the projector was discontinued (luckily he had a few left in stock and what a price drop on them recently!). He couldnt tell me any other details.

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Has anyone tested to make sure that the projector really is displaying at 24/48hz (vs just accepting the signal)? I have a 12k and found that while it will accept a 48hz signal, it does not actually change the refresh rate -- it still displayed at 60hz and the effect was pretty nasty (worse than letting my DVD player do the 3:2 pulldown itself). I would beleive that to properly support a 24/48hz refresh rate, the projector would have to adjust the speed of the color wheel to match (well, to a multiple of the refresh rate).

For those looking for a clearer demonstration of judder, I'd recommend a PC program called JudderTest which really, really shows the effects of judder on a screen. Judder mostly affects the smoothness of horizontal pans more than anything else.

While I've read it may be being discontinued, I'm pretty interested in this projector and hope that in addition to the obvious bump over the 12k, both dithering during pans and 24p related refresh rates are improved. If they are, I think I'm ready to pull the trigger :-)

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Has anyone tested to make sure that the projector really is displaying at 24/48hz (vs just accepting the signal)? I have a 12k and found that while it will accept a 48hz signal, it does not actually change the refresh rate -- it still displayed at 60hz and the effect was pretty nasty (worse than letting my DVD player do the 3:2 pulldown itself). I would beleive that to properly support a 24/48hz refresh rate, the projector would have to adjust the speed of the color wheel to match (well, to a multiple of the refresh rate).

For those looking for a clearer demonstration of judder, I'd recommend a PC program called JudderTest which really, really shows the effects of judder on a screen. Judder mostly affects the smoothness of horizontal pans more than anything else.

While I've read it may be being discontinued, I'm pretty interested in this projector and hope that in addition to the obvious bump over the 12k, both dithering during pans and 24p related refresh rates are improved. If they are, I think I'm ready to pull the trigger :-)

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Gerry,

I can confirm that the Sharp Z20000/Z21000 with the latest firmware (send me a PM) displays 24p input signals at a refresh rate (color wheel adaption) of 48HZ - therefor avoiding 3:2 pulldown judder.

That was my primary request when I first contacted the product manager some months ago. It took a while to make them aware of the issue - but finally they listened and came up with a great implementation. You can easily confirm this with a little tool called JudderTest (do a AVS search).

The Z21000/Z20000 was able to receive 24p and even 48p signals ever since its initial launch - just like the z12k before it. The whole point of the "24p update" was to avoid the internal conversion back to 60Hz. Success!
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I checked the Sharp site and there is no download for 1080p/24 support.. Also the Sharp specs do not specify support for any frame rate, just resolutions.

However, Projecor Central shows the Sharp as supporting 1080p/24. Would Sharp 20000s purchased now have support for 1080p/24, or would a download be neccesary?

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I checked the Sharp site and there is no download for 1080p/24 support.. Also the Sharp specs do not specify support for any frame rate, just resolutions.

However, Projecor Central shows the Sharp as supporting 1080p/24. Would Sharp 20000s purchased now have support for 1080p/24, or would a download be neccesary?

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It depends. My guess is that if Sharp is really not producing anymore Sharp XV-Z20000 everyone that has been produce probably need a firmware update. But if the rumors are not true the new one's should have the correct firmware.

I haven't find a way to see the firmware version use in my Sharp. Maybe a special remote control code?
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I haven't find a way to see the firmware version use in my Sharp. Maybe a special remote control code?


Just feed it with a 1080/24p signal: if you have brief white flashes and other minor issues is the old one.
With the new one 1080/24p it's just perfect
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Just feed it with a 1080/24p signal: if you have brief white flashes and other minor issues is the old one.
With the new one 1080/24p it's just perfect

Glad you enjoy it
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Glad you enjoy it



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OK, I have 1080p/24 working with the 20K and Blu-ray.

The image may have a hair more depth, but it's really subtle. It could just as easily be the power of suggestion. Could someone point me to an example--a specific scene in a specific film--on Blu-ray where 1080p/24 output will look obviously better than 1080p/60 output?

I'd like to see what others claim to see.

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I'd like to see what others claim to see.


To my point of view the gain it's not about "depth" but about "smoothness".
In my experience you can see it especially with hd-dvd software that i don't know why but seems to judder much more than blu-ray.
I use an external processor to produce 24fps output from an 1080i60 input.
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UNtil Sept. there will be no HD DVD source that produces 1080p/24 output and I don't have a VP to act as a stand-in.

I just didn't notice any change in smoothness, which is why I asked for a specific Blu-ray example where it might be most obvious.

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UNtil Sept. there will be no HD DVD source that produces 1080p/24 output and I don't have a VP to act as a stand-in.

I just didn't notice any change in smoothness, which is why I asked for a specific Blu-ray example where it might be most obvious.

Tom, you might give the opening credits of Casino Royale a try (has playing cards scrolling across the screen).
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UNtil Sept. there will be no HD DVD source that produces 1080p/24 output and I don't have a VP to act as a stand-in.

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Can anyone provide instruction and a link for the update
to 1080p /24 ? How can i see the version nr. of the
firmware.
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Me too! How do you update and how do you determine what firmware version one have?
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Ditto...and add to that...how do I get into the service menu?
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Ditto...and add to that...how do I get into the service menu?
Resize, Up, Down, Enter, Enter, Menu

Not much you can do there. Iris defaults to to the High Brightness mode.

The update itself is too large to post here. I can e-mail if you like. Send me a PM.

I would add one thing to the instructions. When complete, you must unplug the unit to turn it off. Immediately plug it back in.

 

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Just checked my firmware and it's 1.0.9. How old is this? Looks like mine is pretty out of date. Also, just curious about the following in the menu menu:
AD (RGB), AD (COMP), DLP, VIDEO 1, VIDEO 2, OUPUT, LINE, SSS, PATTERN, CVIC, SPECIAL
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Hello!

Can someone tell me if the update covers the europe version 21000 model and also email the update to me:

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Can someone pleeeeeeeeeeeease email the update to the above email address

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Can someone pleeeeeeeeeeeease email the update to the above email address

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Strange I did earlier this morning? I will try again.
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Strange I did earlier this morning? I will try again.

Got it

Many thanks for the mail and looking forward to the weekend to watch some movies
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TheLion,

I have owned the Z21000 for almost a year and didn't even realize there is a firmware update for it up until now. I also use the VP50 but have always had problems with 1080p24 although no problem for 1080p48.

It would be great if you can forward me the firmware package as I am having problems locating it. My email is ichow@mac.com

Many thanks in advanced.
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Many kind people in this thread help me to upgrade the firmware, so I could update my Z21000(=Z20000 Japanese Version) firmware today. I can confirm ver 1.1.5 in Service Menu. But I can't confirm the output 48Hz.

I expected 24Hz input/48Hz output, but actually it's 24Hz input/60Hz output. The Sharp displays only the input information, so I can't exactly know the output information. But the result of ver 1.1.5 is same as old version, the same judder, same frame flickering.

I tested PS3 24Hz output mode and Samsung P1400 Blu-ray player 24P output mode. I reviewed Samsung's new 1080p DLP Projector, A800B for two weeks. A800B supports perfectly 24Hz input/48Hz output. (It displays the information.) But Z21000 in new version is different with A800B's picture.(Much more judder)

I'm confusing. I don't know if I must find the menu for setup 48Hz output. (Samsung A800B has the menu-"Film rate On/Off") But there isn't any added menu. Menu is same as old version 1.1.3.

Is there another adjust menu for setup 48Hz output? If so, let me know how to find it.

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I tried again to confirm if new firmware supports 48hz output.
Not yet find any added item on Menu, if so, Auto-48hz output when 24hz input? Nope. It's not 48Hz, but 60Hz definitely. I had long test using HDG3000 pattern generator, Joe Kane's DVE(HD-DVD), AVIA DVD(24hz output by DVDO VP50 processor), and many titles including many Ending Credit, camera panning scenes, slow zoom-in/zoom-out scenes, diagonally moving camera scenes...

Everything I have tested is exactly same as old version. Old version also receives 24hz input, but sometime shows white-noise bug. The bug is gone in new version. But no more change. So I think new firmware has not 48hz output function. Frankly I hope I am wrong. I like Sharp Z20000's picture. It's the best in 1080p Projectors. If it has 48hz output, it's has no any rival.

I'll keep trying the test again.

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While updating, my pj powered off. I then unplugged it and plugged it back on. The PJ would power on with the 2 blue leds and light coming out of the lens but black - no picture. I tried my remote and my pj won't respond. What happened??? I don't even know if the updating was successful. I tried unplugging for 10 minutes or more and when I plugged in, no change - still would power on but no picture and unresposive to remote. I will keep it unplugged overnight and try powering it on tomorrow. In the meantime, does anybody know the solution to this? I reviewed the manual and I did not see any way to reset the pj.
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While updating, my pj powered off. I then unplugged it and plugged it back on. The PJ would power on with the 2 blue leds and light coming out of the lens but black - no picture. I tried my remote and my pj won't respond. What happened??? I don't even know if the updating was successful. I tried unplugging for 10 minutes or more and when I plugged in, no change - still would power on but no picture and unresposive to remote. I will keep it unplugged overnight and try powering it on tomorrow. In the meantime, does anybody know the solution to this? I reviewed the manual and I did not see any way to reset the pj.

Try the soft again. And cross your fingers!
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Bruno,

I did try again, the tera menu would appear with "ERR" message this time. On my second & other attempts (because my pj won't show any image), I connected a monitor on the 2nd DVI of my HTPC video card so that I can see what's happening.

The first time I updated, my PJ powered off. Then I waited a bit, nothing happened, so I unplugged the PJ, plugged it back on, then problem - no picture (but pj would power on). I tried unplugging off and on several times but gave up. I was afraid I'll do more damage.

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I plugged in my pj this morning, same thing - it would power on and still no picture
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