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Hello everybody.

I'm quite proud to report that after doing some serious lobbying for weeks now and writing eMails almost on a daily basis to any official Sharp contact I could think of TODAY I FINALLY received a very kind response from Mr. Sean P. McBride
, Sharp Product Marketing Manager CONFIRMING that the Z20k will receive a firmware upgrade enabling 24p support in MARCH 2007. This software fix will be available as a download through the official Sharp service site which can be accessed through www.sharpusa.com

This was perhaps the last grief I (and following his review, Greg Rogers for that matter) have had about this IMHO just gorgeous projector. At last I'm as happy as I can be with this purchase.

Hope this is very good news for a couple of fellow forum members!
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FANTASTIC! Thanks for the update. Can't wait!

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Nice work! Interested in the Sharp here and that was concern.

How is the fan noise level and is it bright enough in use? (Tried to PM but your box is full)


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Nice work! Interested in the Sharp here and that was concern.

How is the fan noise level and is it bright enough in use? (Tried to PM but your box is full)

Out of respect for everybody who preordered the RS-1 I hesitate to post a full blown report but I highly recommend reading Greg Rogers eye opening review - about the only thing to be critized was the lack of 24p support

fan noise is "acceptable" - nowhere near as silent as the Pearl/HC5000, but FAR from being as annoying as the HD81. I would rate it about average for quality 1-chip DLP.

It puts out about 850 lumen (with ~ 2000:1 On/Off) even with 160h on my lamp - high brightness (open iris)/full power mode. It is a pleasant surprise that the lamp hasn't lost significant brightness after 160h - this is testament to a very efficient cooling design and the use of a relatively low power (220W), high quality lamp. So if you need it it can be plenty bright. But I actually prefer High Contrast mode/low power mode which is plenty bright for a 8 feet wide Studiothek 130 (cushed 10 feet screen...) in my black hole and gives great black levels.

The most striking aspects of the 20k IMHO are dimensionality (combination of plenty On/Off, amazing "ANSI"/intra image contrast,...., and state of the art lens), crispness (LENS!!!), almost non-existing artifacting DLP's are typically infamous for (eg. False Contouring has finally become a non-issue) and probably above all - COLOR + it can be tweaked to perfection.

I recommend demoing this unit - with a "good" setup -> great source material, black room, total light control- AND probably NOT a side by side shootout where both projectors "wash each other out" - in short: If you have a projector with that level of intra-scene contrast you NEED the best possible room to really appreciate the impact.

A side by side shootout will ALWAYS relatively favor the projector with less intra-scene contrast as the room/environment limits the maximum on-screen (read: real world) intra-scene contrast and therefor having 800:1 ANSI doesn't show. So perhaps, just perhaps, some (in)famous side-by-side shootout with a very famous competing product was not entirely "fair" in the end... (Oh my god, I'm starting again...)

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Somewhere over the rainbow...



Just kidding - that's great news for those that like the DLP look. I haven't seen this PJ myself but have been bothered with dithering and other DLP artifacts when seeing them. Sounds like they have a winner on their hands!
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how would u predict the Sharp XV-Z20000 would look on my 76 x 44 (86 inch diagonal) stewart greyhawk in a toal light controlled black room--sitting distance approx 12 feet and proj mounted above approx 13 feet from the screen---this proj would replace my current sharp xv-z 9000 dlp?
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This unit is on my short list for upgrading. The street price has dropped a lot.
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PJC shows MSRP at $11,999
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This unit is on my short list for upgrading.

Mine too. I have an HD1 DLP and I can't decide between this Sharp and the RS-1.

Of course, by the time I have the money the landscape will be different.

I have a Sharp LCD TV upstairs and am happy with that unit.


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PJC shows MSRP at $11,999

Never understand MSRP projector pricing.
Call AVS its much much better.

Even in Canada it just dropped again today.


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Mine too. I have an HD1 DLP and I can't decide between this Sharp and the RS-1.

Of course, by the time I have the money the landscape will be different.

I have a Sharp LCD TV upstairs and am happy with that unit.

It would appear to me that the RS1 and the Sharp are in two different budget categories - with the price vs. performance ratio strongly skewed towards the RS1. That's just my opinion based on reviews I've read, having never seen either of these in person. If you are a strong fan of single chip DLP this appears to be one of the front runners...
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TheLion- GregR mentioned seeing errant line segmant that made the image blink with 1080P input. Have you seen this problem?
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I'll be interested to see if this firmware update affects the Z-20K's really weird white balance control.

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Hello everybody.

I'm quite proud to report that after doing some serious lobbying for weeks now and writing eMails almost on a daily basis to any official Sharp contact I could think of TODAY I FINALLY received a very kind response from Mr. Sean P. McBride
, Sharp Product Marketing Manager CONFIRMING that the Z20k will receive a firmware upgrade enabling 24p support in MARCH 2007. This software fix will be available as a download through the official Sharp service site which can be accessed through www.sharpusa.com

Thanks for the info. I hope Sharp knows or somebody lets them know that 1080p24 is really shorthand and we don't want exactly 24. I believe the correct number is something like 23.976. My understanding is that this is what the Sony Blu-ray player puts out in 1080p24 mode.

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TheLion- GregR mentioned seeing errant line segmant that made the image blink with 1080P input. Have you seen this problem?

Yes, my unit has this problem too. I have talked with high ranked Sharp contacts in Hamburg and the US about it - they were unaware of the issue but are now "looking into it".
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Thanks for the info. I hope Sharp knows or somebody lets them know that 1080p24 is really shorthand and we don't want exactly 24. I believe the correct number is something like 23.976. My understanding is that this is what the Sony Blu-ray player puts out in 1080p24 mode.

--Darin

Darin,

1080p/24 is a standardized format which runs at NTSC's 59.94 rate/ 2.5 = 23.976 Hz. I know for a fact that they use the Pioneer HD-1 BluRay to validate this feature - so everything should be just fine
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Yes, my unit has this problem too. I have talked with high ranked Sharp contacts in Hamburg and the US about it - they were unaware of the issue but are now "looking into it".

How noticable, annoying is it?
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How noticable, annoying is it?

Not really annoying for me, I have to look for it. It is there but sitting 1.4x screen width it is not really an issue while watching a movie. Nevertheless I sure hope this gets corrected.
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On Sharp's site, for this PJ, they have this footnote:

Film Mode: With a 1920 x 1080 signal input, the image is compressed before it is displayed on screen.

What does this mean?

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On Sharp's site, for this PJ, they have this footnote:

Film Mode: With a 1920 x 1080 signal input, the image is compressed before it is displayed on screen.

What does this mean?

???

forget it - 1920x1080 works just fine (1:1 pixel mapping)
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TheLion- GregR mentioned seeing errant line segmant that made the image blink with 1080P input. Have you seen this problem?

I haven't seen this.

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Yes, my unit has this problem too. I have talked with high ranked Sharp contacts in Hamburg and the US about it - they were unaware of the issue but are now "looking into it".

By blink, do you mean the entire image or just the line segment at the bottom? I thought Greg's reference in Widescreen referred to just part of the bottom line. I do have an intermittent flash to black (the whole screen) with 1080p input from my Lumagen, but I thought that was related to a long cable run. When I ran a shorter cable directly to the pj, it disappeared (at least for the some 15 minutes I watched). I'll test more.

This is good news about 24p. Looking forward to it.

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I know I initially said I wouldn't be upgrading my screen after getting the Sharp, but I decided it lost too much punch in low lamp/High Contrast mode. So, I moved to a Da-Lite High Power screen, with 2.8 gain. I had to lower the projector substantially, but the image now has more than enough brightness for a 110" screen at its best image settings (eco lamp/High Contrast iris). The High Power has limited gain outside its viewing "cone," but if you can stay there, it puts up a great image. I moved from a first gen Firehawk and really enjoy the increased brightness. Tryg has a thread over in the Screen area on the High Power. Except for the narrower viewing area, it's a better screen in almost all ways than my Firehawk. It's a good fit for the Sharp.

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By blink, do you mean the entire image or just the line segment at the bottom? I thought Greg's reference in Widescreen referred to just part of the bottom line. I do have an intermittent flash to black (the whole screen) with 1080p input from my Lumagen, but I thought that was related to a long cable run. When I ran a shorter cable directly to the pj, it disappeared (at least for the some 15 minutes I watched). I'll test more.

This is good news about 24p. Looking forward to it.

It is just about two segments of about 300 pixels each in the right corner of the bottom line (it is always the bottom line - no matter if you use the proj up-side down or on a shelf - so its procesing related) and just with 1080p input of any kind (1080i is just fine). These two segments get updated with a ~ 0.2/~0.5 seconds delay to the rest of the picture.
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It is just about two segments of about 300 pixels each in the right corner of the bottom line (it is always the bottom line - no matter if you use the proj up-side down or on a shelf - so its procesing related) and just with 1080p input of any kind (1080i is just fine). These two segments get updated with a ~ 0.2/~0.5 seconds delay to the rest of the picture.

Then my flashing is unrelated. It's a cable problem. 1080p is less tolerant of the longer cable run.

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Is the 20K firmware field upgradeable? How is this done? Via the RS232 port?

Is this documented anywhere?

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I rather they update the fan to be much quieter,
projector is all but perfect otherwise ?


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Now that the Sharp is going to support 1080/24p, I'm getting more interested in this projector. Any input from owners regarding a potential installation would be helpful. Currently, I have a 110" screen, I would have 0 offset and would have minimum zoom in a total light controlled environment. I would be getting a new screen - thinking of Stewart Studiotek 130, but would love any input regarding this also. Would this system be bright enough? I would have a ceiling mount and noise level is not a big concern because a shelf blocks a lot of the noise. Thanks for any help offered.

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Anyone know how Sharp intends to implement this? Will they update the display at 24 Hz, or some multiple of it, such as 48, 72, or 96 Hz?

How firm is Sharp's commitment to deliver this upgrade? I've been in the position before where a product manager promises an upgrade the engineers can't deliver due to technical or other reasons.

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