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Basically a JVC HD-1 clone, but some alterations though;

-22 vs. 25-27dB rated, actually half the audible noise if specifications are correct
-1000 vs. 700AL, 30% higher light-output is a rather important difference

In my opinion the desing on the Blackwing2 is also very nice, a bit "industrial", but as a former Barco CRT-owner, I really like a bit "rough" design...

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Very Stealth. I like this especially nice for someone who plans on keeping the projector in the screening room.
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? Same 200w bulb but 30% more lumems?
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Design is superb, looks kinda like Darth Vader's head and who would not like having that stuck to celing

My guess is it will have same 700lumens & 15.000 contrast as JVC at D65.
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Several months ago when I saw pictures of this unit I remember thinking the Design was very cool.

But now that I've taken a closer look, does this not look like an RS1 that someone glued a couple of wings to and spray-painted black? Maybe it's just the pictures making the paint job look suspect, I dunno. I bet the specs end up the same as the JVC.
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Yeah the paint job looks even more suspect from this angle (I'd take the black RS1 anyday):

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Damn that thing is ugly!

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I like this design, but I also agree that these pictures make it look at little "rough" on the edges... I'd have to see it live to make up my mind in this thing...

They state they are using their own "front-cooling"-system, I guess one would have to directly compare it to the HD1 to judge the real difference in sound-emission... 3dB is actually a doubled noise-level (or halfed from the HD1 that is...).

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Damn that thing is ugly!

Agree. It looks at least 40 years old.
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That thing looks like it could be used outside in the rain.
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3dB is actually a doubled noise-level (or halfed from the HD1 that is...).

For audio components, in order to have a 3 db increase in the sound volume, you need to double the wattage.

A 3db drop from 25 to 22 does not mean that the audio is half as loud.
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Looks like a cockroach; black, ugly, and it only comes out at night.
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Looks like a cockroach; black, ugly, and it only comes out at night.




To me, it almost looks like a vey bad version of the Pearl. An ugly Black Pearl.
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It must be cursed then.
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For audio components, in order to have a 3 db increase in the sound volume, you need to double the wattage.

A 3db drop from 25 to 22 does not mean that the audio is half as loud.

Right. In fact, a subjective doubling of loudness typically requires about 10dB increase in sound pressure level.

In other words, 37db sounds about twice as loud as 27dB (although "twice as loud" is obviously a very subjective call)

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Looks like a cockroach; black, ugly, and it only comes out at night.

Oh wow, you're right. I can see this thing "trekkin' across the lid" of the toilet bowl.
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Kinda scary looking. Looks like it came out of a SAW movie.
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Looks like a cockroach; black, ugly, and it only comes out at night.

Haha! I got a good chuckle reading this thread just now. You guys crack me up!!

It is amazing how a company can take something so beautiful and "add value" by turning it into something so fugly!!
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I guess the design is a cool idea, but it could have been much cooler if it had been shaped like the Death Star, or maybe a Tank. Or better yet, Optimus Prime of Transformers fame.

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it's funny because it's the same company that does the Dreamvision Dreambee !
and the finish looks better onthe Dreambee in fact (while iliked the barco blackwing look, which was more piano gloss than on these pics !)

anyway JVC is smart to divert salesof the RS1 via BARCO MERIDIAN FAROUDJA DREAMVISION.

HD1 HD1 ! can't wait
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That thing looks like it could be used outside in the rain.

Looks like it HAS been used in the rain.
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Right. In fact, a subjective doubling of loudness typically requires about 10dB increase in sound pressure level.

In other words, 37db sounds about twice as loud as 27dB (although "twice as loud" is obviously a very subjective call)

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Yes... and a 3db change is generally accepted as being barely discernable. Important to keep in mind when comparing noise ratings.
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According to Cineversum, the Blackwing2 can be ordered in the color of your choice. Ferrari ordered some in Ferrari red

Cineversum have also added their own colormanagement system with separate controls for RGB bias and gains.
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interesting

Barco Cineversum range (HT department of Barco) has been bought some years ago by TEC-Dreamvision.
probably the exact same changes occured on the Dreambee.
smart to increase chances of selling same product under two names (question of awareness).
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I also have to assume that does not represent a final production unit but even the finish was exquisite as far as the design goes here's one more vote for HIDEOUS.
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Does the fact they made an effort to reduce noise suggest that many with the stock JVC will wish it was quieter?


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No matter what projector you have, you usually wish it was quieter. Nevertheless, when a movie etc is playing, most say it overrides fan noise, e.g., one quickly gets used to it. Some, however, use hush boxes or place ther projector in a seperate room, projecting through a small cut out in a wall. I have even seen high optical quality glass being used as in a commercial movie theater, to cover the hole.

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Cineversum have also added their own colormanagement system with separate controls for RGB bias and gains.


That has some value regardless of the look of the design...
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Several months ago when I saw pictures of this unit I remember thinking the Design was very cool.

But now that I've taken a closer look, does this not look like an RS1 that someone glued a couple of wings to and spray-painted black? Maybe it's just the pictures making the paint job look suspect, I dunno. I bet the specs end up the same as the JVC.

It kinda looks like the alien probe from the original war of the worlds.
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Just needs a fin on the top.
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