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This is doubtful as I got one of the first units in the US. All later units have the menu it is just under the surface.


Thanks Eric

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W9000 in www.projectorreviews.com


I didn't see any review.

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You are right. My ad. It's the 10000.
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You are right. My ad. It's the 10000.


What ad?
If it's cheap enough I'll take it
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Here's a question I just thought of: Can the projector sync to 50hz or 25hz for PAL content? Specifically, I'd want to run PAL discs through my video processor which would output them as 1080p25 or 1080p50.

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Here's a question I just thought of: Can the projector sync to 50hz or 25hz for PAL content? Specifically, I'd want to run PAL discs through my video processor which would output them as 1080p25 or 1080p50.


The W10000 supports 1080p50...
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The fates seem to be aligning here.

So I guess my last question is, are there any good reasons why I shouldn't buy this projector?

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Let me put that another way. ^

If the only difference between the W9000 and the W10000 is the DarkChip2 vs. DarkChip3 issue, is the better contrast of DarkChip3 worth the extra $1,000 difference in MAPs?

My current projector is a DarkChip2 720p Mitsubishi HC3000. I've been very satisfied with it, but do sometimes wish I had better black levels. Even the W9000 has a better listed contrast ratio than my Mits. Of course I take manufacturer specs with a grain of salt, but I was expecting to see some modest improvement over my Mits. Would it be worth it in the long run to spend a little more for the W10000 now?

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Josh -

Don't forget 2 more years of warranty. What is peace of mind worth ?.

Even if there is no significant performance difference between the two models, it would be nice to know how reliable these units are, and what out-of-warranty repair costs are, to determine if this "extended warranty" is worth it. Or can one do better with a 3rd party extended warranty ?

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Josh -

Don't forget 2 more years of warranty. What is peace of mind worth ?.

Even if there is no significant performance difference between the two models, it would be nice to know how reliable these units are, and what out-of-warranty repair costs are, to determine if this "extended warranty" is worth it. Or can one do better with a 3rd party extended warranty ?

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The more I inquire of BenQ dealers (who ask of BenQ directly) the more conflicting information I receive. I want to get to the bottom of the DC2 vs. DC3 debate also. Why would BenQ build 2 models nearly identical and use different DMD's?

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I am beginning to think they are the same DMD (throw ratio is equal) and BenQ marketing adjusted down the W9000 warranty and artificially lowered the contrast ratio just so they could segment the market. They may also have changed the firmware to lock out ISF features from the W9000 service menu.

The ISF menu is a big part of the W9000 marketing materials, so I wouldn't expect them to lock that out.

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The more I inquire of BenQ dealers (who ask of BenQ directly) the more conflicting information I receive. I want to get to the bottom of the DC2 vs. DC3 debate also. Why would BenQ build 2 models nearly identical and use different DMD's?

I am beginning to think they are the same DMD (throw ratio is equal) and BenQ marketing adjusted down the W9000 warranty and artificially lowered the contrast ratio just so they could segment the market. They may also have changed the firmware to lock out ISF features from the W9000 service menu.

I recall the BenQ PE8720 once had a contrast ratio of 8500 that was raised to 10000 after 6 months in the market with no change in design. They are the kings of specmanship. These BenQ contrast ratios are the differences between two different temp settings and two different iris settings. You would never get this type of on/off contrast in 1 operational mode. The only differences you would get are about 3500:1 with DC3 and 2500:1 with DC2. There is a difference in ANSI contrast also so DC3 is more desireable ... but only slightly so.

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I ask Texas Instrument hom many 1920x1080 chip the were making but they didn't give me a specific answer. The just point me to this site.
http://www.dlp.com/business/business..._article_6.asp

Maybe somebody else could try to contact TI to find out if a DC2 really exist in the 1920x1080. That seem unlikely.

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I ask Texas Instrument hom many 1920x1080 chip the were making but they didn't give me a specific answer. The just point me to this site.
http://www.dlp.com/business/business..._article_6.asp

Maybe somebody else could try to contact TI to find out if a DC2 really exist in the 1920x1080. That seem unlikely.

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Do you all trust BenQ marketing materials?

http://www.benq.com/products/Project...&page=features

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The review of the 9000 at www.projectorreviews.com frequently states that the 9000 uses DC3.
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The review of the 9000 at www.projectorreviews.com frequently states that the 9000 uses DC3.

The only review I see there is for the W10000.

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A couple of things brought up recently I would think could be easily confirmed by any of the people who currently have the W9000. Does it have the ISF menu, how many iris steps are available, and does the throw distance match the listed specs that are identical to the W10000?

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My apologies. That is the SECOND time I have done that. Apparently I can't tell the difference between 10000 and 9000. I believe it's 7.
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A couple of things brought up recently I would think could be easily confirmed by any of the people who currently have the W9000. Does it have the ISF menu, how many iris steps are available, and does the throw distance match the listed specs that are identical to the W10000?

Josh -

Iris steps are 38 on both W9000 & W1000. Compare posts #28 & #40 on this thread.

Zoom ratios both 1.15 (post #30 on this thread):
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Brian -

Great idea to measure height ratio . 50.75/44.25 comes out to a zoom ratio of 1.147:1. Close enough to the 1.15 spec for the 0.95" DMD chip in the W10000. A larger zoom ratio would have been consistent with use of the smaller chip. So, just based on this piece of evidence we can conclude that either (a) the W90000 is also using the 0.95" chip or (b) it could be using the 0.8" chip and the BenQ engineers didn't get around to retooling the stops to crank up the zoom range.

BTW, your throw ratio measurments work out to 1.76 ~ 2.02 whereas the projector central calculator is 1.81 ~ 2.07. Pretty close.

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I am beginning to think they are the same DMD (throw ratio is equal) and BenQ marketing adjusted down the W9000 warranty and artificially lowered the contrast ratio just so they could segment the market. They may also have changed the firmware to lock out ISF features from the W9000 service menu.

Well, that is what I first thought as well. But then your earlier posts on the 0.8" chip made me thing you had first-hand information of what was in the W9000. Sounds like you are backing away from that.... But now we have the DC2 vs DC3 FUD. That is why I am very interested to see what CR values Eric measures. It will be the most definitive information we are likely to get.

There is a good chance that the W9000 is purely a marketing department response to the JVC HD-1/RS-1. If the JVC lives up to initial expectations, not too many W10000s are going to be sold at their current prices.

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Well, that is what I first thought as well. But then your earlier posts on the 0.8" chip made me thing you had first-hand information of what was in the W9000. Sounds like you are backing away from that.... But now we have the DC2 vs DC3 FUD. That is why I am very interested to see what CR values Eric measures. It will be the most definitive information we are likely to get.

There is a good chance that the W9000 is purely a marketing department response to the JVC HD-1/RS-1. If the JVC lives up to initial expectations, not too many W10000s are going to be sold at their current prices.

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The BenQ PE8720 shares the same case/optics. The zoom ratio on this PJ was 1.35 to 1 and the 720p DMD size was 0.8" (as far as available information can be trusted).

Now if the W9000 and W10000 have reduced zoom to 1.15 to 1 using the same chassis/optics it stands to reason the DMD's are larger.

1.35*0.8/0.95 = 1.15 zoom for the larger DMD W9000/W10000.

Perhaps the W9000/W10000 are the 0.95" DMD and use the exact same chassis/optical path as the PE8720. This helps explain the reduced zoom ... in my mind.

And if the zoom ever goes up to 1.35 to 1 on the W9000/W10000, then we may know that the DMD size was reduced back down to 0.8".

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Yes, it does have the ISF menu (accessed by BenQ provided password)

in regards to throw ration, I'm getting 133 inches (16X9) at max zoom from 18 feet

I'l count the iris steps later on tonight


Oh, got my panamorph lens in yesterday and mounted it to see what it looks like...wow...very nice my current screen (which is 16X9) even though the sides fall off quite a bit, but the center of the image is fantastic.

I get me 136 inch Carada 2.35:1 screen on monday. It should be mounted and watched monday night.

Once everything is up, I'll take some screen shots and a couple of photos of the projector
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This is truly a mystery wrapped inside a riddle inside an enigma. Could it really be that these are actually the same projector but that BenQ adjusted the specs and the MSRP? If so, why bother with the model number charade and not just a straight-up price drop?

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This is truly a mystery wrapped inside a riddle inside an enigma. Could it really be that these are actually the same projector but that BenQ adjusted the specs and the MSRP? If so, why bother with the model number charade and not just a straight-up price drop?

Because some people will pay more for the "better" unit .... and 2 extra yrs warranty.

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I'd guess they are the same, except the 9000 is using lower rated DMD's from TI, and has less warranty, most would not notice the difference.

JVC is openly selling the same projector,
RS1 as 'Pro' and HD1 as common,
Optoma has the HD72 and HD6800,
why not Ben-q?

It still seems Benq is not making them available ,
I contacted Jason 2 weeks ago ready to buy,
asking when one could ship, and he still has not got an update
Either that or he wants to sell me a JVC or Sharp instead


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38 steps in the Iris as well.


I'm really enjoying this projector, it was a great buy.

Once I get my wall built this weekend and the screen up, I'm going to be set.
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mrigsby, Im excited to hear how it looks even if just up on your 16:9 screen. 8)

The throw range is 1.0 to 1.15x screen width, correct? 1.0x width is min throw and 1.15 is max?
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Weather delayed my 9000 from coming. Hopefully sometime next week. We will see when it comes in. I have spoken more to BenQ about the PJ. It is definitely Darkchip2. You can speculate all you want but I have this straight from a VP. Also, the MSRPs are a good bit apart but the MAPs (which is what really counts) are only $1000 apart. As has been noted in this thread, the only differences are the chip and the warranty(1 year vs 3). Do not discount the Hotswap for a full year. I still think BenQ has the best warranty and service around.

As for comparisons, I will do my best. If you want to do some research and get an idea of what you will probably see, search the archives or current forums on the differences of the DC2 and DC3 for 720p. I would imagine these comparisons will hold true for the new 1080p chips. Remember, DC3 improves tilt and had the coating between mirrors to help increase contrast and probably some other things I can't remember. I would think the only real differences we will see is an overall higher level of absolute black and thereby increasing contrast by the percentages quoted by BenQ.

I thought Eric covered the debate?
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...except the 9000 is using lower rated DMD's from TI...

Jack, what do you mean by lower rated DMD's?
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Jack, what do you mean by lower rated DMD's?

Darkchip2 vs. Darkchip3.
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Darkchip2 vs. Darkchip3.

But has this actually been confirmed?

Have the 9000's actually been for sale, everywhere I go online seem to have no stock?!

Where as the W10k are available... warranty differences, DC2 or DC3, locked out ISF menu (password corrected), it would be nice to have definitive answers.

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