Originally Posted by streetcredit
Sorry to repeat this post from under $3000 forum, but I'm thinking about pulling the trigger soon.
I've been looking at this projector as well, I have a few concerns and hoping someone can help ..............
My personal take on the Pro8100:
1) The projectorcentral review mentions average ansi contrast (probably lower than average compared to newer projectors) and some digital noise on sd over hdmi. I'm wondering if owners agree with this, and have seen other 1080p projectors and compared contrast ratios. Is the real world image (contrast) obviously less than desired? or are the reviews average because it was for a $3-5000 projector but should be adjusted for a $1500 projector?
The Pro8100, after adjustment, does an acceptable job where good blacks and contrast really make a difference. I am thinking of scenes like the outside to inside tunnel shots of the police chasing the red headed gal out of the medical facility to the street in Fifth Element. Is there a difference between the Pro8100 and my Pro ISP installed and calibrated CRT that is in a light controlled room with Black Velvet on the ceiling from the top of the projector to the Stewart screen which hangs in front of a solid Black Velvet wall with dark paint on the remaining three walls? YES there is a difference and it is easy to see!
But, if I evaluate the overall image difference in a multi-purpose room (Den / Living Room / Playroom/Computer) without complete light control in room painted with off white colored walls the difference is not significant. As the light and wall reflections in a multi-purpose projection room increase the differences in blacks and contrast become less important because deep blacks are not really possible in rooms like these.
It is so easy for me to get too caught up in specifications when the end game is the overall impact of the image to my eyes. This is what is important. The Pro8100 produces images that are enjoyable to watch in rooms with moderate light control and off white walls that negate the benefits of the much better blacks and the excellent contrast I get from my CRT in a light controlled room.
Excluding the Pro on the basis of it being lower than the best or average for a specific set of specifications without considering its overall ability to project a good image is a mistake. My eyes are still the single best piece of test instrument to judge geometry, contrast, uniformity, gray scale compression, movement, picture stability, scaling quality, and color depth simultaneously and instantaneously.
The Viewsonic Precision Pro8100 absolutely shines in my computer room. The image is a pleasure for me to watch in this room which is not CRT friendly in size and lacking light control and has reflections that bounce off the screen back onto the off white walls.
On the subject of digital noise
read 3rd page of this review http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/p...ol-menu-system
where the reviewer said:
"Under the HQV settings you have access to Detail Enhancement, Film Mode (auto is default), LTI (a luminance level "enhancer" and CTI (a chrominance level "enhancer"). I left both LTI and CTI off, nor could I seem to ever get any significant (ie perceivable) change in picture quality when using them. Regardless, anything thing that automatically adjusts color should be 'Off' in my book. Detail Enhancement is a nice feature, but the default setting of '5' is WAY too high. In fact, it introduces large amounts of noise into the picture. I'd recommend leaving this on, but set it to '2', you'll get a much nicer presentation overall and you won't miss any true detail in the process.
There is no noise reduction for HD sources on the Pro8100. This is unfortunate, however with any HD source the Noise Reduction submenu remains grayed out, eliminating both the Mosquito Noise Reduction (MNR) and the Block Artifact Removal (BAR) functions of the projector. Our suggestion would be to run anything that isn't HD as 480i to take advantage of these excellent features."
The PCS does make reds red even before calibrating the colors.
The wide range of throw options allow this projector to be used in small or large rooms which adds value in that it can be used as a short or medium long throw projector. The low fan noise is a huge plus when watching scenes with low level voice or audio like whispering. The ease of using the remote to zoom and focus as well as remote power control of the horizontal and vertical image control makes the initial setup on the Pro8100 easy and fast. Users that like CRT projectors will generally prefer the Professional over the Cinema with Warm1.
The list of positives just goes on and on for the Pro8100, but the contrast is only average and yet is may be the sharpest image some of the reviewers say they have ever seen. Be careful of writing a projector off over one or two specifications because everything comes into play from the video processing to the lens before that image hits the screen to show its stuff. Sometimes the strengths more than compensate for having several specifications that are considered average.
There are negatives other than just blacks as should have read above like it not using its excellent noise reduction on HD Source Input which can be helpful when the HD Source material is sub standard, and not having manual iris control is another minus for blacks that people want to see on a 5k projector. The remote menu takes a little effort and really needs to be memorized because some things seem out of place on it to all of the reviewers. I agree with them it could be better but is easy enough to learn fairly quickly.
The size and weight of Pro8100 are not a negative to me because it cuts down on the noise level and enables this projector to run cooler and also speaks to its build quality.
2) Anybody have issues with dust blobs or seen reports about this?
I have not read about any problems but would say this is potentially a problem with any LCD projector, but especially if filters are not cleaned as recommended which is every 200 hours as I recall on the Pro8100; when it is time to clean it the projector will inform you. If you operate the machine in a dusty environment you will need to clean the filter more often.
3) Anybody compare this projector to Benq w5000 or Infocus X10 for image quality?http://www.projectorreviews.com/1080...ctor/index.php
Focusing on image quality is fine but also pay attention to where you going to be sitting. If sitting directly under the projector, which is usually the case, the noise level becomes more important depending on your room size, planned layout, volume level you prefer for watching movies, loud or soft? Pay attention to little things that determine the placement of the projector like whether the projector is a short throw - a long throw etc and how big a screen you want to fill with it. The BEST absolute best Image quality may be a moot point if you need a short throw projector and the best image is a long throw projector. Do you want to hang the projector or put it on a shelf?
I suggest you read the link below your question 3) as it will give you some excellent comparisons between the 1080p projectors in all of the price ranges.
4) I have a lower end projector, the optoma hd65, is this projector a significant upgrade?
I think the Optoma hd65 is good entry level projector.
The Pro8100 is not an entry level projector. The Pro8100 is an upgrade for many reasons. It has a huge array of useful features the projector has included with it including PCS and HQV. The warranty is better. It runs much cooler. The Lens is much better. The bulb life is projected / speculated to be significantly better using eco mode for the bulb. The noise level is much lower, and to me the overall build quality is in a completely different league than the hd65; the Pro 8100 is a really beautiful and well built piece of equipment. Being able to change the bulb from the side is another plus for the Pro8100 that sets it apart from much more expensive projectors in terms of convenience. The features like HQV and PCS combined with the 1080p at the current price point make this projector a phenomenal value.
However if you are using a small screen or a mediocre one the difference will not be as dramatic as it will be on larger one with better quality. Most really good screens sell for more than the Pro8100 does right now. All of our 32 inch TV sets here are 720p because at the distance we sit from the screen 1080p would be overkill. The sets that are 40 inches and up are all 1080p. If you are sitting close enough you will see an improvement even on an 80 inch screen. If a bulb lasts five years then a feature like the side door for changing the bulb is not important so has to be discounted. To me, Viewsonic's putting the side door on the machine for bulb changes was brilliant.
In the end it is your setup and only what you want is really important.
Everyone here has an opinion but only you know exactly what you want and can rank them in importance!
I hope this is more helpful than confusing to you. Good Luck in your search for finding the projector that is best for your setup.