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So I should edit the thread to not say Diamond? I was told from a few people it was the Diamond. Ideas?

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I think we do need to edit the thread until we get some good clarification. This PJ is so good I really don't think it needs a nickname. I do like having a cool one whether it be Ruby, Black Pearl or whatever... My Wife leaned over to me lastnight and said this is easily the best picture she has seen in her life. I laughed because now that I am tweaking it more and more it truly is next "level" performance. We were amazed how well Ocean's Eleven looked. It doesn't get much better than this. I think it deserves to be in the Ultra Hi-end 20,000 and above thread!

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.... now that I am tweaking it more and more it truly is next "level" performance. We were amazed how well Ocean's Eleven looked. It doesn't get much better than this. I think it deserves to be in the Ultra Hi-end 20,000 and above thread!

i'm determined to keep my rs1 for another year.
but man, your posted comments seem so sincere about how satisfied you are with this pj that i may have to get one.
how about a few screenshots?
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I think it stands with the new sim2. Frankly, you can't go wrong with either... Of course I am hooked on the Motionflow for football now...

Joe, i would suggest putting motionflow on High for animation and nature docs. Check out Planet EArth bd, and Ratatouille bd with the motionflow jacked up. Looks great on my 52xbr4. Let us know what you think? I am seriously considering spending more then i planned and jumping in on vw200 fun. Glad to hear you guys are enjoying your pj's so much.
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i'm determined to keep my rs1 for another year.
but man, your posted comments seem so sincere about how satisfied you are with this pj that i may have to get one.
how about a few screenshots?

Keep it for another year. There always going to be something better and cheaper. He's just excited with his new toy

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It's been since last Friday. Usually by now my initial excitement dims somewhat. And this time (which is the very first time) my whole family is excited about my new toy. You can wait another year but if you have the means then why wait? You only live once and waiting an entire year means missing a year's worth of the best picture Q. I seriously plan to keep the VW200 for a couple of years. I am the most satisfied I have ever been with a PJ. We put the Motionflow on FULL for Shrek The Third and my Daughter and my niece went crazy. They said it is 3D without the glasses!

Anyway, I would love to post some screen shots, can someone PM with a good camera suggestion?

Oh and believe me, if you had this new "toy" you would be just as excited!

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Joerod...you are killing me!! I just got a vw-60, but now Im ready to upgrade to the vw-200!!!
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Nobody has any to ship right now anyway. Even the great MSRP retail warehouse at Sony Style.

A lot of any new projector is being one of the first to get it, posting, and being part of the owners club.

Why do we say Congratulations when some one purchases a new projector?

Why don't we congratulations when someone buys a new plasma? Or a new riding lawnmower which can cost as much as a $15K projector, Or a new snowplow (yes I bought one half of one last week for $3K). At least my neighbor will plow my driveway withit for the next whatever years. Come on. I got a NFSP. Congratulate me!

Seriously. Joe seems to like his VPL-vw200 very much as I argued with him here that he would. What Joe should really be congratulated for is buying a piece of HT gear that his wife can see how good it is and is happy with it instead of "you spent what on what?"

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Mark is 100% right. She was irritated when I told her I sold the Ruby and purchased the Black Pearl. She remembered those rough days with the DLP RBE PJs. She did not know they are the same SXRD technology. Anyway, she has not complained one bit. Even after I told her the MSRP of this PJ. Of course I did not pay that but still made a pretty good investment. She is now trying to take over my theater. This is the third night in a row she wants to watch her shows in there!

And I am glad I lost the arguement with Mark over the next "level" performance the VW200 gives. I did not believe it would be this good.
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Well Joerod, Sony should pay you. I'ved been lurking on this forum for a long while, trying to decide on my first projector. Sony VW60 and JVC RS2 were in the running for me, but your posts draw me more and more to the VW200. Despite the fact that both my wife and I work professionaly in the audiovisuel sector (she is director, I am scriptwriter), it took me a hell of an effort to convince her to create our own 'cinemaroom'. I feel I have one shot to do it right, so I better choose the best projector right away. You convinced me to the vw200! I 'm looking forward to this!

Ironic that my interest for the VW60 was also mainly based on your posts.
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You've made the right decision. Just make sure you let us know what you think when you get it up and going...

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Mark is 100% right. She was irritated when I told her I sold the Ruby and purchased the Black Pearl. She remembered those rough days with the DLP RBE PJs. She did not know they are the same SXRD technology. Anyway, she has not complained one bit. Even after I told her the MSRP of this PJ. Of course I did not pay that but still made a pretty good investment. She is now trying to take over my theater. This is the third night in a row she wants to watch her shows in there!

And I am glad I lost the arguement with Mark over the next "level" performance the VW200 gives. I did not believe it would be this good.
Seeing is believing!

Joe I am a Ruby owner and love the projector I am curious how the VW200 compares on some basic criteria.

How much noise does the projector make compared to a Ruby?
What is the heat output of the VW200? Compared to Ruby?
What is the size of the projector compared to a Ruby?
How much brigher is this projector compared to a Ruby?

I know some of these will be subjective responses but I would like to know your impression of this projector by comparing it to something we both know.
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It's funny you mention the heat factor because last night my Wife pointed out that this one was not as hot as the VW100. The Black Pearl was nice because it would let the heat out the front so I was a little apprehensive going back to the same design as the VW100. I sometimes could feel it get warm when I would have it on for those long marathons. Anyway, the VW200 does not seem to let out as much heat. As for size it is pretty much (or maybe is) the same exact size as the VW100. I think it weighs 2 pounds more though. Sound wise it also seems to be just slightly quieter. Not by much but it does seem like it is not on sometimes. I am already going on 30 plus hours and it is still very bright. I can't really judge that yet. I would rather get a 100 hours then make a judgment call. I will say the VW200 is capable of being very bright and it lights up my 120.5" screen from about 15 feet away easily.

Other notables is the picture is much sharper. Contrast much better. Black level much better. The amount of detail is greatly increased with the better contrast and sharpness. And of course the Motionflow for sports and movies like Ratatouille Blu ray and Shrek The Third HD DVD is jaw-dropping! And for regular movie watching the Film Projection mode is one of the best features we have seen. Combine those features with the zone panel alignment adjusting for convergence and of course 1080p/24 HDMI inputs and it really is not fair to compare the VW100...

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in the screenshots the skin tones look sun burnt.
are there controls to allow calibration of color?
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Anyway, the VW200 does not seem to let out as much heat.

The VW200 uses a 400W lamp like the VW100, so maybe just the electronics in the VW200 run cooler.
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The color can be fine tuned with the RCP (real color processing) but personally I have been able to achieve success without it.

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Nobody has any to ship right now anyway. Even the great MSRP retail warehouse at Sony Style.

Bummer! Any sense when this might change?

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in the screenshots the skin tones look sun burnt.
are there controls to allow calibration of color?

The title I choose has that hot contrast look to it regarding skin tones, not the fault of the projector. As Joe mentioned you can target the primaries and secondaries and make the adjustments. No worries regarding color
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Jason just stopped by with his light meter and took a few quick contrast measurements.
I have 30 hours on the bulb.
ANSi was shy of 300. Not bad for Lcos.
4111 on/off no iris
29,600 on/off iris 1 mode.
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Any signs of the Iris operating in any way Alan?
I know there must be some element of brightness compression, but have you seen anything which distracts you from movie yet?
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Was the contrast with the iris closed measured?

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Any signs of the Iris operating in any way Alan?
I know there must be some element of brightness compression, but have you seen anything which distracts you from movie yet?

I think the Iris automation is on par with the VW60. Ive only noticed BC once during a certain scene using Iris 1 which is the most aggressive. You get the best of both worlds using Iris 2, no BC that Ive seen. The projector looks plenty good enough without the use of the Iris as well. I would only use it on a dark movie to bring out more shadow detail.

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Was the contrast with the iris closed measured?

We did not measure the manual setting in its closed position. The 29,600:1 was at factory default with Iris 1 selected in the recommended mode.
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I think Alan mentioned that the Sony VW200 had support for both fixed and removable anamorph lenses. Does the RS2 as well? I know the RS2 says it supports 2.35 but just wanted to make sure it supports the fixed lens option as that's the one I'll likely do.

Even on my old G15 the detail was more than adequate for that type of setup.

Looking at the VW200 vs RS2/radience I'm leaning towards the RS2 soon then adding the radience in a few months. I assume the Radience supports both?
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The VW200 uses a 400W lamp like the VW100, so maybe just the electronics in the VW200 run cooler.


The VW200 gets etxremely hot... we just released first pictures today ...


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I am sure on the inside it is extremely hot but sitting directly behind it has not been as warm of an experience as sitting directly behind the VW100. And that is after 6 to 10 hour running times...

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Jason just stopped by with his light meter and took a few quick contrast measurements.
I have 30 hours on the bulb.
ANSi was shy of 300. Not bad for Lcos.
4111 on/off no iris
29,600 on/off iris 1 mode.

the germany magazin audio vision 1/2008 just test the sony vw 60
and the found:

2400:1 on of with no iris
11440:1 with iris(max)
ansi cr. is 290:1.
lumen 597/408 (high low)

because avs and audio visions measurments are mostly the same
in the past i guess that the 200 have somthing new inside
that bost the on of cr.a lot.
ansi seams to be also same high as the 200(for lcos).
audio vision also report about some detail lost in motion with the vw 60 because
of the old brawia engine.
the say the new 200 will have a new bravia pro engine and
therefore this bug shoul be not anymore visible.

btw final conclusion about the vw 60:
a outstanding pr. very good for a nice price.

but seams the 200 make everything better excluding
high light out for bigger screens.
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The VW200 uses a 400W lamp like the VW100, so maybe just the electronics in the VW200 run cooler.

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I am sure on the inside it is extremely hot but sitting directly behind it has not been as warm of an experience as sitting directly behind the VW100. And that is after 6 to 10 hour running times...


I would call 80°C pretty warm. That is the temperature the VW200 blows out... VW100 was not warmer..


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I would call 80°C pretty warm. That is the temperature the VW200 blows out... VW100 was not warmer..


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Are you getting the same d65 CR numbers you posted earlier for the pre/prod machine (6,000:1/8,500:1/40,000:1)?
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I would say that is warm as well but have you sat directly behind one for two or three football games in a row like I have? It must be doing something different because I am telling you it is not as HOT back there as it was with the VW100. My Wife was the first to notice this...

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