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post #181 of 2114 Old 12-12-2007, 07:02 AM
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My screen is relatively small, 54 x 96. My HT is a black pit except for the dark navy carpet (the stage floor is black too, covered the carpet there). My FP CRT has really really good blacks, nothing like the to me crappy blacks of the best digitals re blacks (the RS2 and VPL-vw200). Compared to my CRT they just don't cut it. The smaller the screeen the higher the reference black level will be. The fact that soething doesn't bother somebody is irrelevant to me. Now the digital will beat the CRT in many ways. In the one way it won't, I can help things by say a gray screen and a ND filter. Frankly, if a black screen gave me a better picture, I'd use that. Anyone ever see a movie theater that had a silver screen? I don't watch the screen. I watch what comes off the screen. If I don't like the gray hawk, I'll just put back my studeotec, no big deal. For me, at dealer accomodation, it will not be a very expensive experiment.

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reincarnate brings up some good points. The RS1 and VW200 look great on a white screen without a doubt.
I am taking into consideration you are coming from CRT.
With a gray screen and a 4x ND filter coupled to the VW200 you will be able to do the hand puppet and have very close to pure black bringing you down to maybe 1 IRE. The best from the digital world anyway with enough ANSI and pop on the upper end to leave a convincing image that is not flat. Im running the VW200 in Iris 2 mode. It does its magic and you do not know its on. Iris 1 works great as well and will give you true black but unless its an all dark movie it can be a little to aggressive for my taste at times.
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Alan - did you mean to write "Iris 2" twice?
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I've never done the hand puppet but long ago I did the hand jive. You might not be old enough to remember that song and dance.

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Maybe he did mean Iris 2. I would like to know what he is preferring. I have not tried Iris 2 mainly just Iris 1 mode. More tweaking later...

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Sorry guys, post edited

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I think I am using Gamma 2 Ill ck. I am using the memory locations verses the presets. Ive set one up for HDTV with motionflow and a few for movies.
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Hi Alan,
Did you find the memory location to do the "light cannon " tweak like in the VW100?
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Did you find the memory location to do the "light cannon " tweak like in the VW100?
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Yes everything is in the service menu. I did not make any changes as its not needed at this point. My picture is plenty bright. Not all the options that were in the 100 are in the 200 service menu but the ones needed for the iris are indeed there. At 16k retail I caution anyone thinking of making any changes in the service menu!
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Gamma 2 I will try then as well. I still have not ventured into the service menu at this point. I am a little apprehensive at this time. Especially since the picture is plenty bright now...

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Hey Joey why would you go to a digital projector if you only have an *8* foot screen and had a 9 inch CRT?


Yes that's me talking to myself....!!!

I am going to put my 9 9500lc back up since I really have no desire to go any bigger.
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To boldly go where no one has gone before. Beam me up Alan.

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At the moment I am using the Isco 3 with the Cineslide motorized sled

Did you come away from the Prismasonic 1500 and go back to the Isco ?
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Did you come away from the Prismasonic 1500 and go back to the Isco ?

My aperture is too large for what I am doing for the Prismasonic.
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My aperture is too large for what I am doing for the Prismasonic.

Oh OK. What screen size are you using. I thought the Prismasonic was supposed to be fairly flexible in that regard
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Oh OK. What screen size are you using. I thought the Prismasonic was supposed to be fairly flexible in that regard

My projector is behind the back wall firing out a porthole. Because the Sony is larger then the previous projector I had to move it back further which is now further away from my pre installed lens location.
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We are really going to be putting the VW200 to work this weekend!

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Alan, I just applied your cool C2 trick with the VW200 and WOW! You are absolutely right. I have Riddick HD DVD in now and it looks even better than before!!!

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Joe. Would you post the throw ratios for this unit. I can't find it on the spec sheet.

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I will but I do know P.C. has them up now for it...

I think they are the exact ones as the VW100...

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What's the cool C2 trick?

My goal: A blend of double stacked G90s! Encased in ice to prevent drift.
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Do High gamma (in the Image area of the C2) and then adjust it to about 10. Sometimes a little less depending on the movie. It gives great Ansi punch while keeping inky blacks! Try it with your Ruby!

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hey joerod, you have a REALLY expensive movie theater with a REALLY expensive PJ. shouldnt you be watching it right now? im not saying, im just saying!
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I've used low IRE around 5-10. Normal looks good too, but even after calibration I've seen some crushing. I now use +5 adjustment on normal.. that seems to keep the grey scale happy

I think the C2 suffers from a problem similar to the SI issue with certain soruces, clipping below 16 .. blacker than blacks don't work very well with the analog inputs.

Small price to pay for such a great VP though.

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hey joerod, you have a REALLY expensive movie theater with a REALLY expensive PJ. shouldnt you be watching it right now? im not saying, im just saying!

If Joe is anything like me, he's using the C2's PIP so we can be on the PC while watching a movie

Well.. for casual viewing anyway

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If Joe is anything like me, he's using the C2's PIP so we can be on the PC while watching a movie

Well.. for casual viewing anyway

man, you dudes are living the dream then.

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I was watching the movie. I just came up for a brief break and figured I would post about these excellent results...

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I am a film buff so I do not care about the 120hz but I have to say I love the Film mode with Blank Frame insertion.

Actually, the VW200 uses the 120 Hz panels in two quite different ways, each of them separately configurable (Motionflow Film Projection and Motionflow Motion Enhancer, in the "Picture Menu"). One of them, Motionflow Film Projection, is important for truly correct film reproduction.

With a 60 Hz projector, movie frames (at 24 fps) must be shown alternately 2 times and 3 times (which, as you certainly know, is the "frame" version of "2/3 pulldown"). This means that (say) odd-numbered frames are shown for 1/30 of a second and the even-numbered frames are shown for 1/20 of a second — and none of them are actually shown for 1/24 of a second. Some people can see this discrepancy, some cannot. It is known as "micro-judder".

With a 120 Hz projector, on the other hand, 24 fps film material can be shown correctly: 5 times per frame (5 x 24 = 120), so each frame is displayed for exactly 1/24 of a second.

It is conceivable that the VW100 and the VW200 both support a 48 Hz refresh rate, which is (of course) a simpler way to achieve true 24 fps projection. But there is no mention of this anywhere in Sony's literature. A 72 Hz refresh rate (3 x 24 = 72) is used in some PC-based playback systems, for the same reason (elimination of "micro-judder").

Side-note: Theater (film) projectors actually show motion pictures at 48 fps — each frame is shown twice, with a brief blank interval in between each showing. The reason for this is heat. Showing a film frame continuously for (nearly) 1/24 of a second would overheat (and possibly burn) the film! To accurately reproduce "movie theater flicker" electronically, you would probably need to project at 96 Hz (for an "on/off/on/off" pattern per frame) or at 144 Hz (for a "2on/1off/2on/1off" pattern per frame).

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I knew I was right!

Oh and good stuff wmccain!

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Could some of the VW200 owners tell me if it's worth upgrading from an RS1 to the VW200?
I'm pretty satisfied with the picture performance of my RS1, but I don't like the micro-judder and the manual lens shift of it.
Any comments?
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