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Dan:

Has Marantz managed to lower the sound output of the fan and colorwheel in the 11S2?

I wasn't close enough to the 11s2 to get a feel for the sound output.

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The Press Releases state 800 lumens.

I just got verification from Marantz:

850 Lumens and 15,000:1 contrast for the VP11S2.

I guess they were being a little conservative in the press release.

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Sounds like an awefully nice PJ.
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It throws an image rivaling 'almost' anything else out there. The sharpness from this model is second to none IMO after comparing it to virtually every other model I have come across.
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It isn't quite as bright as the VP-15, but the absolute black level is noticeably lower. Lower than film absolutely, lower than digital cinema, but not the velvet of the JVC or a good 9" CRT. Although having owned a 9" CRT for quite some time, the JVC doesn't look like that either.


I know what you mean here. The RS-1's uniformity in black was a killer for me. I just couldn't get over the bright corners and absolute black still had a long way to go to get to great CRT levels. The HD-100 seems to be A LOT better in black uniformity based on the ones I've looked at but absolute blacks are still only slightly better than what I've seen with the 15S1 and W10000. But the JVC's do a great job with very low level material where On/Off is real important. That is where their strength over the DLPs has been so far, that an light output. But they still have a ways to go in terms of sharpness, dimension and uniformity. It still bugs me that they can do a single pixel on/off burst like a DLP too.

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Is the S2's optical system identical to the S1's ? Or there are some improvements ? Thanks.
..and what's the MSRP ? sorry if I missed it..
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Is the S2's optical system identical to the S1's ? Or there are some improvements ? Thanks.
..and what's the MSRP ? sorry if I missed it..

MSRP is $15,999

As far as the optical system... Dan?

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The price is 14,999 and the optical system is the same as the 11S1. Same as the 15 too, but the 11 is hand selected.

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Dan:

Has Marantz managed to lower the sound output of the fan and colorwheel in the 11S2?

I wasn't close enough to the 11s2 to get a feel for the sound output.

Cheers,

It is the same however if you are not sensitive to rbe, you can lower the colorwheel speed for quieter operation.

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Is it the same as the 15S1 in terms of sound output or the 11S1? The 15S1 was considerably quieter than the 11S1 I had. I couldn't hear the color wheel at all, only the fan. Even in high lamp it isn't distracting.

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The 15s colorwheel = 9,000 rpm. The 11s colorwheel = 10,800, but you can lower it to 9000 or even 7200.

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Dan,

When will we see Marantz eliminate the color wheel?

Novalux has the answers
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Dan, lowering the color wheel speed by going from Normal to Economy Lamp mode?
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Dan, lowering the color wheel speed by going from Normal to Economy Lamp mode?

No the 11S2 has a setting for 5x, 6x etc for the color wheel.
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Lowering from normal to economy lowers the fan, I believe, Francis.
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Dan,

When will we see Marantz eliminate the color wheel?

Novalux has the answers
http://www.novalux.com/display/

Not close yet. Even behind closed doors. LED is closer and probably years still.

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After spending a LONG week with the S2 here is my somewhat biased review.

I could probably live with this projector forever (or until something better comes along... ).

It isn't quite as bright as the VP-15, but the absolute black level is noticeably lower. Lower than film absolutely, lower than digital cinema, but not the velvet of the JVC or a good 9" CRT. Although having owned a 9" CRT for quite some time, the JVC doesn't look like that either. There is something that I can't put my finger on about their blacks that seems artificial, but I'll probably never find out because I'd have to live with one in my lab/theater to figure it out and I don't think they'd like that... And besides if you are lower than film, isn't that good enough? I don't know.

Wow. There must be hard times over at Marantz to cast doubt (by making a viscous knife-in-the-back statement) and state you could "live with your companies projector forever". All the while smiling.
Darn, Dan I guess I need to rethink my opinion of you. I don't know.

This lack of objectivity and crossing over formerly polite boundaries surely indicates we are in very tough economic times with jobs at stake. I don't know.
BTW, did you tell the S1 owners the S2 was coming out? Your customers seem to be a bit disappointed.
I don't know.
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Shane Buettner, in his UltimateAV www.guidetohometheater.com reviews of the Marantz VP-11S1 and VP-15S1 said that he could easily live with either projector forever. Dan is merely agreeing with a noted reviewer. I am sure there are plenty of other people who agree, too.

From Shane's review of the VP-15S1:
"Even in this market it's worthy of its price, and another [the other is the VP-11S1] Marantz projector that I know I COULD LIVE HAPPILY WITH EVER AFTER."

As for your question as to whether Marantz told its [presumably prospective] 11S1 customers that the 11S2 was coming out, the answer is that the 11S2 was announced at CEDIA, months ago.

It has just recently come into production. So prospective 11S1 buyers had some FOUR MONTHS notice that the 11S2 was coming out. Is that enough notice for you?
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Its not proper for an official of one company to tear into their primary competitors product. The "I don't know" line is a crass attempt to prevent certain type of, shall we say "formal" actions. But the intent to damage is certainly there.
I don't know if Marantz owes AVS readers and JVC an apology for crossing the line.

As the moderators here at AVS state:
"AVS is getting back to its roots are as a technical discussion forum."
I agree. Stop the infomercials and attacks please

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post12788321
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Dan hardly "tore into" a competitor's product. If you feel as strongly about this as you seem to, why don't you have the guts to report Dan's post to the Moderators of the Forum, and see what action they take...which I can confidentally predict will be NOTHING.

Just a guess: You own a JVC. Don't you think you're suffering from a little too much POO (Pride of Ownership).
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Wow. There must be hard times over at Marantz to cast doubt (by making a viscous knife-in-the-back statement) and state you could "live with your companies projector forever". All the while smiling.
Darn, Dan I guess I need to rethink my opinion of you. I don't know.

This lack of objectivity and crossing over formerly polite boundaries surely indicates we are in very tough economic times with jobs at stake. I don't know.
BTW, did you tell the S1 owners the S2 was coming out? Your customers seem to be a bit disappointed.
I don't know.

Wow, is this a case of sour grapes or what! There is almost certainly an S3 version in development, this is a fast moving market. Do you really expect Dan to share the details before he is authorised to do so.
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Just a guess: You own a JVC. Don't you think you're suffering from a little too much POO (Pride of Ownership).

Attack the person who raises the issue. Just like in politics.
But the answer is NO, as I've rebuked the JVC rep for interfering too.

Maufactures representatives are, by their very nature, primarily concerned about money and sales. Not science. The new aggressive tactics are no doubt caused by the depressed economic times. I understand that, but its still no excuse. Other professionals (those who are industry paid) are of no assistance here as their own livelihood may be at stake.

Dan Miller: What are the projector sales trends? Let me guess: Down. But I don't know.
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Dan hardly "tore into" a competitor's product. If you feel as strongly about this as you seem to, why don't you have the guts to report Dan's post to the Moderators of the Forum, and see what action they take...which I can confidentally predict will be NOTHING.

Just a guess: You own a JVC. Don't you think you're suffering from a little too much POO (Pride of Ownership).

Agreed. I saw nothing wrong with Dan's response. He even mentioned his bias. Posts like this are reasons why people like Dan stop visiting the forum. Way out of line.
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Talk about reading into something when absolutely nothing is there. I dont see any kind of attack on JVC in those remarks from Dan.

JVC obviously doesnt use a color wheel and Dan was responding to a direct question from Tryg about Marantz. LEDs and lasers are technologies that every display company is likely addressing, or will be, and Dan's comment seems to advise that lasers are further away than LEDs in being implemented, at least by Marantz .. who we know Dan speaks for.

BTW, what Marantz customers seem disappointed of not knowing about the 11S2 coming out? Please link us because I havent seen even one. The Marantz owners I see posting seem to be excited about it ..and we have known about it for some time, thanks to Dan.

Just as an FYI, the RS2 hit the streets in less than 10 months after the RS1 was out. Folks didnt even know if the RS1 was going to get a vertical stretch implementation, or not, for some time after the RS1 was released. The RS2 has it now, while the RS1 never got updated with it. While the CMS cant be implemented on the RS1 because of the Gennum, the vertical stretch feature certainly is easily implemented and in fact is on the RS2 (the programming is already done.)

That isnt a knock on the RS1. It is a knock on JVC. I griped about that when I had my HD1 and that would be well deserved by JVC. Now having owned the 15S1 for 6 months I can tell you that Marantz, and even Dan, dont deserve those kinds of knocks.
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Sorry to break in, but I'd love some advice on mounting position, both height and distance to the screen.

My movie room is approximately 22' long, 15' wide, 7' 3" high, the screen will be a Stewart Microperf X2 -- about 110" wide (screen, not frame). A lot of sports and DirecTV so 16 x 9 viewing, but movies as well.

I'd like to mount this in the best possible place for future generations of projectors to work as well. I've moved from the VP-12S3 to the 11S2, and I plan to stay with Marantz products, barring an experience like Mr. Whitehead's.

Acoustics are taken care of thanks to Rives Audio, although that wasn't the best experience and I don't think I'd recommend them to someone else doing a room for the first time.

Thank you for the help
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Dan did something terrible? I found nothing out of the ordinary with anything he has stated. A few overly sensitive jvc owners maybe? I own one ( temporarily for now ) and hope dan keeps up the participation on the forum.
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Sorry to break in, but I'd love some advice on mounting position, both height and distance to the screen.

My movie room is approximately 22' long, 15' wide, 7' 3" high, the screen will be a Stewart Microperf X2 -- about 110" wide (screen, not frame). A lot of sports and DirecTV so 16 x 9 viewing, but movies as well.

I'd like to mount this in the best possible place for future generations of projectors to work as well. I've moved from the VP-12S3 to the 11S2, and I plan to stay with Marantz products, barring an experience like Mr. Whitehead's.

Acoustics are taken care of thanks to Rives Audio, although that wasn't the best experience and I don't think I'd recommend them to someone else doing a room for the first time.

Thank you for the help

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There's of course no way to predict the future, but a throw of 1.9x to 2.0x your screen width (16:9) works for just about any current 1080p PJ.

If you plan to do a 2.35:1 anamorphic lens setup down the road, a 1.9x-2.0x throw (as opposed to a shorter throw) will allow you to choose from a wider range of lenses.

What throw distance do you have for your old PJ?

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Our old VP-12S3 was used in the old basement, old house. This is a new room, new house, the only problem being the low ceiling. Dimensions will be about 21'x15'x7' after the construction.

So if we use the Stewart standard size 107" wide screen (16:9), we'll put the projector lens 17.8' from the screen ((2*107)/12). If we use the 118" screen, the lens will be 19.6' from the screen. We may do some anamorphic, but I can't really justify that add-on Marantz lens given the cost of the projector.

I'd love to have automatic everything, something that adjusts screen size, picks the right lens, adjusts the sound for whatever you're watching, but that seems prohibitively expensive and complicated.

Is this correct?
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Correction: I meant to write that we will do some 2.35 viewing, not "do some anamorphic ...".

I also can't decide whether it's worth it to get a curved screen, anamorphic lens. I used a Stewart fixed flat screen with the VP-12S3, so I've never had the curved screen experience. If anyone else has taken the plunge and gone all out, I'd love to hear your views and get an idea of extra cost involved. Is it worth it to get the curved screen without the add-on lens?

And if anyone could point me to a thread that has ideas on how to build an acoustically transparent false front wall to house the screen, I'd be grateful. This is all a first for me and for our contractor.

Thank you
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You could go with Prismasonic H-FE1500R remote controlled lens. The lens has a pass-through mode so that you don't need a motorized slide. It works for throws over 1.9x.


Another option is to leave a lens like the Panamorph UH380 in place all the time and use the PJ to switch between 16:9 and 2.35:1.

On the plus side, it's the easiest as far as universal remote programming, and you keep your 1080p horizontal resolution for both aspect ratios.

On the minus side, you will chop off some of your vertical resolution when you go to 16:9.

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