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post #2971 of 4235 Old 07-14-2009, 01:45 PM
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Also wanted to ask how will the DVE calibration compare to ISF? Will there be a huge difference with a ISF calibration?

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Also wanted to ask how will the DVE calibration compare to ISF? Will there be a huge difference with a ISF calibration?

It depends, and ISF calibration should yield better or more accurate results.
However I personally have had trouble with so call calibraters, so I have just been getting it as close as I can with the knowledge that I have and my own test patterns.

Remember there are different calibration screens used for HD video and Standard video.
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would the DVE Blu-ray disc version be the best for HD?

I've heard different storys when it comes to calibrators. Which makes me kind of not want to spend the money. When you hire a calibrator do they adjust the colors to what they think looks best or do there devices tell them exactly what to set each setting at.?

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Basically a calibration is consisted of grayscale set up and color decoder tweak is additional but FPJ1 dosen't allow for that. Grayscale is actually RGB level calibration to bring the color temp to D65 standard. They use color analyser/light meter for it.
For color decoder which dosen't really apply to our projector there is saturation, brightness and hue of each color (primeries) that will get calibrated by color analizer to confirm with standards.

With calibrating disk such as DVE all you can do is a very basic black level, contrast level and stauration/hue of overal color adjustments which is different from what an ISF would do. Even after DVE basic adjustments you will need to calibrate grayscale which is the most important part of a PJ set up as well as primery color calibration where it applies and possible.
You can chose one of the color temp pre-sets but it is not really accurate.

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CapianM,

Thanks for the info.. So after I do my DVE calibration..How would I go about calibrating the grayscale?

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Go here and learn all that you can. The software is free but the colorimeter that you'll need is not. This is what I did and it's also the way that I do my own calibrations with spectacular results image wise and with the finished graphs in the software.

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457

It's a long document and will take you some time to work your way through but if you're really serious about this then you need to start somewhere and this is it.

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Does the FPJ1 upconvert signals to output at 1080P?
If so, what and where is the setting for it?

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Does the FPJ1 upconvert signals to output at 1080P?
If so, what and where is the setting for it?

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Nothing to set it does so automatically!
Just feed it 480i/60 and you will get 1080P on screen.
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Nothing to set it does so automatically!
Just feed it 480i/60 and you will get 1080P on screen.

What about a 1080i HDMI signal?
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Same answer.
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Same answer.

Thanks for the quick response. I am asking because I did not see this as the case. I have a Directv HD DVR output 1080i to Onkyo 805 Receiver to a Monoprice 4x2 Matrix HDMI Switch to the FPJ1 Projector.

When I go to the information menu on the projector, I see the output as 1080i 60hz.

Thoughts?

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Wait...I think I just found the answer. The Info menu displays the incomming signal, not the outgoing signal. Am I right?
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Thanks for the quick response. I am asking because I did not see this as the case. I have a Directv HD DVR output 1080i to Onkyo 805 Receiver to a Monoprice 4x2 Matrix HDMI Switch to the FPJ1 Projector.

When I go to the information menu on the projector, I see the output as 1080i 60hz.

Thoughts?

Thanks.

Wait...I think I just found the answer. The Info menu displays the incomming signal, not the outgoing signal. Am I right?

This is a fixed resolution panel projector meaning no matter what the input is it is always displyed as its native (1080p) resolution. Now with CRT it is a different story as they are multi scan devices.

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This is a fixed resolution panel projector meaning no matter what the input is it is always displyed as its native (1080p) resolution. Now with CRT it is a different story as they are multi scan devices.

That is correct!!!
1080i/60 is what the projector see's on the input. The output is always 1080P.
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That is correct!!!
1080i/60 is what the projector see's on the input. The output is always 1080P.

This PJ most likely sees either 48 or 96hz when fed 24 FPS.

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This PJ most likely sees either 48 or 96hz when fed 24 FPS.

1080i/60 is what it see's coming of his cable box.
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This PJ most likely sees either 48 or 96hz when fed 24 FPS.

Not sure what you mean. It reports 1080p24 when it "sees" a 24 FPS signal from my Oppo. I thought I read that it projects it as 1080p 96hz, but could be mistaken.

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Has anyone used a 120" screen for this pioneer PRO FPJ1 projector?
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Has anyone used a 120" screen for this pioneer PRO FPJ1 projector?

Im using a 126" screen.. Love it!

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Can I ask how far back your projector is.

I only have 17ft and my screen is an optoma 1.8 gain 120"?
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Has anyone used a 120" screen for this pioneer PRO FPJ1 projector?

117" 2.35:1 for me. (RS2)
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Has anyone used a 120" screen for this pioneer PRO FPJ1 projector?

I'm using it with a 16:9 DaLite HiPower that's 9' wide @ 123" diag. PJ is about 15' from screen.

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Not sure what you mean. It reports 1080p24 when it "sees" a 24 FPS signal from my Oppo. I thought I read that it projects it as 1080p 96hz, but could be mistaken.

Yes 1080p24 will result in 96hz not 48.

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Has anyone used a 120" screen for this pioneer PRO FPJ1 projector?


I am using a 120" screen....awesome.
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Can I ask how far back your projector is.

I only have 17ft and my screen is an optoma 1.8 gain 120"?

17 feet is plenty room to throw a 126" image.. My pj is about 12.5-13 feet from the screen.. Im sitting about 13.5-14ft from the screen. Perfect size for my viewing distance. Thats just my opinion.. Originally I was going with a 110" screen but it was to small for me.. 126" really gave me that cinema experience.

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Has anyone used a 120" screen for this pioneer PRO FPJ1 projector?

133" Da-Lite High power at 13'
I dont watch movies; I LIVE them. Everything else I've seen is a let down.

So glad I went bigger than "the norm" and am now set for wide screen if need be.

PS; I'm looking for a NIB FPJ1 after a friend ( or two ) "saw the light".
Anyone know of any decent deals ?
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133" Da-Lite High power at 13'
I dont watch movies; I LIVE them. Everything else I've seen is a let down.

So glad I went bigger than "the norm" and am now set for wide screen if need be.

PS; I'm looking for a NIB FPJ1 after a friend ( or two ) "saw the light".
Anyone know of any decent deals ?

I seen a couple for sale but I dont think there authorized dealer..

I do know of one here in the bay area. Its not NIB thought it was a demo. But the guy said he'd consider selling it.

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Speaking of screen size, any dedicated 2.35:1 screens out there with an RS2/FPJ1 using an anamorphic lense and if so what size?
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As soon as my drill is fully charged I'm going to be opening up my masking system going from 42" high to 44". My DIY screen is limited at 104" wide, and since I created the masking frame specifically to accommodate 2.35/2.4:1 content, 44" is going to be as tall as I can go without making a new screen.

The nice thing about DIY though, is I only have $40 or so invested in the one I have, so making up a new, bigger one isn't going to bust my budget. And the masking system I have over it can be modified with just a couple hours work.

I remember it wasn't that many years ago when people like Guy Kuo were singing the praises of going a little smaller than average to tighten up the image. Since 1080p and HD players, you sure don't hear that P.O.V. expressed much anymore.
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Speaking of screen size, any dedicated 2.35:1 screens out there with an RS2/FPJ1 using an anamorphic lense and if so what size?

RS2/Panamorph Lens and Sled with an SMX 2.40 AT screen. 10ft wide and loving it.

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RS2/Panamorph Lens and Sled with an SMX 2.40 AT screen. 10ft wide and loving it.

Chris

Side note:
A buddy of mine and forum member Doug has a second home here in Havasu and has the RS2/Pannie combo with the new SMX curved screen/motorized masking system. WOW, is that nice! Masking off for any AR with a push of the button is SWEET.

I was just curious on how wide I could go with this unit and still maintain a bright image. Did you ever find a way of switching to anamorphiv mode without going thru the menu system?
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