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From what i have read, the W10000 is still a better pj than the W5000!
Now that the price has come down to almost the same as the W5000
Which would you buy?

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@Manos: How do you enter the Service Menu for the W5000 ?

The W9000 trick did not work.

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From what i have read, the W10000 is still a better pj than the W5000!

Where did you read this?

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Where did you read this?

from other threads and other sites due mainly to the 24p bug and the color rendition. Do you think the W5000 is a much better pj?

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from other threads and other sites due mainly to the 24p bug and the color rendition. Do you think the W5000 is a much better pj?

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Gilbert.

Thanks. I don't know, therefore I asked

But I think as tempting a new toy replacing my W9000 may be, it will be better to wait till Cedia for some real step forward (at least I hope so).

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from other threads and other sites due mainly to the 24p bug and the color rendition. Do you think the W5000 is a much better pj?

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Gilbert.

Hi Gilbert,

yesterday morning I have spoken to BenQ Support in Germany. Until now they are sure 1080p/24Hz does work properly, an it is due to the players that the automativ mode does not work (by the way the Sharp does have the same problem). If not they did promise an immediate update due to the fact that this is a guaranteed feature that is assured to the User. So don´t worry about that.

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Hi Gilbert,

yesterday morning I have spoken to BenQ Support in Germany. Until now they are sure 1080p/24Hz does work properly, an it is due to the players that the automativ mode does not work (by the way the Sharp does have the same problem). If not they did promise an immediate update due to the fact that this is a guaranteed feature that is assured to the User. So don´t worry about that.

Greetings Jo

and you think benq support know what they talk

fact is the w 5000 takes 24p from the sony bd player the pionieer bd player and the ps3 in 24p force but not displays it.
this issure is very common at lcd flat panel displays and also some
pr. have it.
wait for the new febr. issue from audio vision that is a very reliable
magazine in germany.
the also not found all the time 20000:1 cr.
when the pr. have max 8000:1 like "some" webpages
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and you think benq support know what they talk

fact is the w 5000 takes 24p from the sony bd player the pionieer bd player and the ps3 in 24p force but not displays it.
this issure is very common at lcd flat panel displays and also some
pr. have it.
wait for the new febr. issue from audio vision that is a very reliable
magazine in germany.
the also not found all the time 20000:1 cr.
when the pr. have max 8000:1 like "some" webpages

Hi Wolfgang,

I don´t know whether they know what they are talking about or not. For me there is simply no - financial - other option than upgrading to the W5000 from my PE8720 hence I "only" pay about 800 Euro.

So I just hope that they can fix this issue. Normally they should be able to

By the way... do you know when the new audio vision will be issued?

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the new feb. issue from this magazin will be out at 11th jan.2008
and the original plan was to have a w5000 test inside.
lets see....
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For me there is no 1080p/24 issue with this projector. I can see diferences between forced mode 1080/24p and Automatic on a Playstation 3 conected to w5000. The 1080/24p is clearly smoother. So, I guess w5000 owners will need players with "forced 1080/24p" available.
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Sounds like 1080p/24 is missing from the EDID, hence the need to force the mode. That's an omission, hopefully one that can be addressed via firmware.
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For me there is no 1080p/24 issue with this projector.


Well, then you can be happy about that as you seem to not have seen the difference between 60Hz and mutiples of 24Hz.

The Benq W5000 does not (repeat: DOES NOT) process 24p with mutiples of 24Hz but with 60Hz or mutiples of 60Hz.

People who do not know the difference should just see somebody who can show them the difference (takes only a couple of minutes).

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fact is the w 5000 takes 24p from the sony bd player the pionieer bd player and the ps3 in 24p force but not displays it.

Absolutely, I can confirm that. It is internally processed with the typical 3:2 studders. The projector itself shows 1080p/24, however it is internally converted to 60Hz (or multiples thereof).


OTOH: What the projector can process is 25psf (e.g.) so if you know how to operate an HTPC with BR and HD-DVD you can speed up to 25p without even changing the pitch of the audio (thanks to reclock).

Also: I tried to setup the projector yesterday and it took me about 3 hours to iron out all the funny presets Benq (and the German vendor) seems to regard as 'optimal'.

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Well, then you can be happy about that as you seem to not have seen the difference between 60Hz and mutiples of 24Hz.

The Benq W5000 does not (repeat: DOES NOT) process 24p with mutiples of 24Hz but with 60Hz or mutiples of 60Hz.

People who do not know the difference should just see somebody who can show them the difference (takes only a couple of minutes).

Well,is it fluid or not then?This is what we wait for...
I mean feeding the 5000 with the 24p forced on the ps3.
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Well, then you can be happy about that as you seem to not have seen the difference between 60Hz and mutiples of 24Hz.

The Benq W5000 does not (repeat: DOES NOT) process 24p with mutiples of 24Hz but with 60Hz or mutiples of 60Hz.

People who do not know the difference should just see somebody who can show them the difference (takes only a couple of minutes).

Christoph,
which projector with the same or better capabilities, same price level would you prefer considering the 24p issue?
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Christoph,
which projector with the same or better capabilities, same price level would you prefer considering the 24p issue?

Well, tough question. Direct answer to a direct (tough) question: Mitsubishi HC6000 or for a little more JVC RS1/HD1.
BTW: Both have a much better zoom range than the Benq.

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Christoph,
which projector with the same or better capabilities, same price level would you prefer considering the 24p issue?

Hi Christoph,

thx for your quick reply. HC6000 is about the same level but JVC HD1 is nearly double priced. So that´s what I want to show. It is very tough to get nearly as a good beamer as the W5000 if we consider the pricing. It is so disappointing that BenQ obivously has messed arround with 1080/24p. Otherwise this beamer would be outstanding in its price/performance ratio. I still hope BenQ will fix this problem, but to be honey I doubt that.

Again Christoph, as soon as I am in Berlin I will have a drop at your shop. Would be great to meet you.

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The projector itself shows 1080p/24, however it is internally converted to 60Hz (or multiples thereof).

Ok but if you are right...why I can see smoother images when I choose the forced 1080/24 mode on ps3? If the projector converts it to 60hz internally I guess I wouldn´t have to see any diferences between forced 1080/24p mode and the 60hz mode from ps3 because they would be the same.
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deactivate the brilliant color, it's the sce of excessive dithering.
much much cleaner image with BC OFF.
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Well, tough question. Direct answer to a direct (tough) question: Mitsubishi HC6000 or for a little more JVC RS1/HD1.
BTW: Both have a much better zoom range than the Benq.

HIH

Hi, and if you had to pick a DLP. Which one would that be ?

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deactivate the brilliant color, it's the sce of excessive dithering.
much much cleaner image with BC OFF.

David using the Br. Color the image is more impressive but yes the dithering ie "here". Try to decrease the contrast between 40 to 45.

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Absolutely, I can confirm that. It is internally processed with the typical 3:2 studders. The projector itself shows 1080p/24, however it is internally converted to 60Hz (or multiples thereof).

I agree. I have the same problem using either the LG BH100 or Pioneer LX70A.

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David using the Br. Color the image is more impressive but yes the dithering ie "here". Try to decrease the contrast between 40 to 45.

hi Manos
indeed the brilliant color ON no matter its level, increases dithering dramaticly
OFF and it's a much better picture.
yet it's a mono DLP so dithering is still a bit there. well dithering is even there with a DLP: the mirrors movement dithering.

still this is a lot of projector for the price, too cheap.

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Pardon the naive question, but, if the W5000 is used with HQV receiver doing all the video processing, would the W5000 still have 24P dithering issue?
How does the W5000 compare to the W10000?
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hi Manos
indeed the brilliant color ON no matter its level, increases dithering dramaticly
OFF and it's a much better picture.
yet it's a mono DLP so dithering is still a bit there. well dithering is even there with a DLP: the mirrors movement dithering.

still this is a lot of projector for the price, too cheap.

happy new year !!!

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What do you consider to be "too cheap"?
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The HQV video processing and the 24P dithering issue hve nothing to do with each other.

I would say the W10000 is definitely better. Read Kris Deering's glowng review of the W10000 at www.hometheaterhifi.com
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The HQV video processing and the 24P dithering issue hve nothing to do with each other.

I would say the W10000 is definitely better. Read Kris Deering's glowng review of the W10000 at www.hometheaterhifi.com

Yes but here in Germany it's double the price so the comparing isn't that fair. Also the W5000 has HQV which should be a lot better when feeding the pr. with a 1080i TV signal or the small Toshiba HDDVD player.

After reading all the german forums all I can say ist that most of the guys want a high end pr. at the price of the W5000. Everbody should know thats not possible

I demo'd the W5000 comparing it to a XV-Z3300 (Almost the same as the XV-Z3000) and all I can say ist that at almost the same price I would rather have the BenQ.

The W5000 is really a lot of pr. for the price.

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The W5000 is really a lot of pr. for the price.

Yes and no. Without 24p? I'd strongly NOT recommend.

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Yes and no. Without 24p? I'd strongly NOT recommend.

Yes but reading that the W10000 & W9000 can do 24p I guess BenQ should be able to fix this issue.

True is that having this kind of problem with a new pr. is kind of lame
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Yes and no. Without 24p? I'd strongly NOT recommend.

Know you of another better projector for 1900€ ?
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