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Sorry for my lack of knowledge/stupid question, but who is Marc at AVS? What is the phone number? Is that the A/V Science Store A/V Science, Inc. 877 823 4452?


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okay so these guys offer $1000 store credit with pro ub purchase. Seems to good to be true? They don't have a dedicated website. phone orders only
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sort of off topic, but UMRP is now basically legal according to the supreme court. Google Leegin and you will see how companies are now basically allowed to set minimum prices for retailers.

".... Supreme Court's recent rejection in the Leegin case of its 96-year-old rule against resale price maintenance ("RPM")."

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okay so these guys offer $1000 store credit with pro ub purchase minus $75 shipping for California. Seems to good to be true? They don't have a dedicated website. someone PM me if they want to buy my $1K store credit. I will then make this purchase.

So let me get this straight, we can get the Pro with a bulb, a $200 rebate and a $1000 AVS store credit. Thats the same price as the Home. Any stipulations?

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sort of off topic, but UMRP is now basically legal according to the supreme court. Google Leegin and you will see how companies are now basically allowed to set minimum prices for retailers.

".... Supreme Court's recent rejection in the Leegin case of its 96-year-old rule against resale price maintenance ("RPM")."

Not off topic at all--so price fixing is no longer illegal and manufacturers can now fix prices by the invisible, unspoken threat of cutting off supply to dealers who seller lower than the price the manufacturer sets. This is just another example of government and business joining hands to screw the consumer.
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I have to wonder how much good an ISF calibration will do someone when they put it in their personal room with varying screen. Isn't room characteristics part of a calibration?

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I don't believe it's claiming to be ISF calibrated out of the box. It's simply advertised as having all the user-accessible picture adjustments necessary for a calibrator to set it up to ISF standards in your theater. Plus a couple of lockout presets to ensure that you don't then subsequently wipe out the pro settings by mistake.
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Hello AVS,

First post here, even though I have been visiting the site for years mainly in audio. I am currently looking to be getting a projector.

However I have a few questions.

1.Is the pro 1080UB the same as the EMP-TW2000? Is there any differences?

2. Also, I have seen on here a few times people impressed w/ the 3 year warranty on this projector. I know a warranty is nice, but is there a reliability issue with owning a projector? How long do they last? I know you have to replace bulbs, but is there other known issues with LCD projectors having to be repaired, etc...

3. Also, I was thinking of getting a Carada BW (1.4 gain) 106" screen. Will this screen be too bright w/ this projector?

thanks for any help. I sure could use it and I am sure I will be asking more.
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Hello AVS,

First post here, even though I have been visiting the site for years mainly in audio. I am currently looking to be getting a projector.

However I have a few questions.

1.Is the pro 1080UB the same as the EMP-TW2000? Is there any differences?

2. Also, I have seen on here a few times people impressed w/ the 3 year warranty on this projector. I know a warranty is nice, but is there a reliability issue with owning a projector? How long do they last? I know you have to replace bulbs, but is there other known issues with LCD projectors having to be repaired, etc...

3. Also, I was thinking of getting a Carada BW (1.4 gain) 106" screen. Will this screen be too bright w/ this projector?

thanks for any help. I sure could use it and I am sure I will be asking more.

The Pro 1080UB and the EMP-TW2000 are the same. The latter is the European version of the U.S. Pro. I'm not sure if the warranties cross over, however. In other words, if you buy a European EMP-TW2000 and want it serviced in the U.S., I'm not sure how that works and visa versa.

Past LCDs have had some issues with panel discoloration and overall life. With the older LCD front projectors, the panels often begin to degrade and discolor after three or four thousand hours or so of use. It is speculated that improper cooling and high heat has a lot to do with that. However, my understanding is that the latest generation of panels (D6, D7) do not degrade like that. Since they haven't been out long enough for a track record, I don't know if that's accurate.

LCD projectors also have other issues that can spring up. One is "color uniformity" Both my LCD projectors have developed varying degrees of this problem as the projectors aged. My current projector -- the Sony HS51 with a total of 1500 hours -- has a slight blue tint on the left image side and a slight pink tint on the right. It is not that noticeable unless the image is mostly white.

Another issue is mis-convergence. This is a hit or miss affair. Some projectors of the same model can have good convergence while others are off by more than a pixel.

Another issue with LCD is dust blobs. My Sony HS51 has been totally dust free for over three years. Excellent in terms of dust problems. However, both the Panasonic AE2000 and the Epson 1080UB and even the Mitsubishi HC6000 have had reported dust blobs.

The above issues are considered "grey areas" with manufacturers. Some mis-convergences, color uniformity problems and even dust blobs are considered "within specifications" by manufacturers. The degree may vary, but you will never get a "perfect" LCD projector. I don't have enough experience to tell you which manufacturers are more willing to service those issues.

From my experience, LCD projectors have come a long way from even six or seven years ago when I bought my first -- a Sony VPL-VW10HT (I can't believe I paid $8400 for that). Back then dust was everywhere and color uniformity was awful. Today, LCD projectors are MUCH better and have far fewer problems. And I assume that the latest generation -- such as the Epson 1080 UB -- will be even better. I hope so. My 1080 UB arrives on Friday.

I've heard good things about the screen you mentioned, but I have no experience with it. I currently have a DaLite High Power screen. I've calculated my projector angle and gain to be about 1.6 in the center seating area. Since my projector placement is 18 feet back from the 106" screen, I need a little extra boost.
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Initial Impressions - procinema 1080 UB

Received my PJ along with key digital scaler this afternoon at 5pm. I thought that UPS had passed me by! The following is a quick note to indicate my initial thoughts on this PJ.

1 - the image is plenty bright even in cinema night mode.
2 - the fan noise in high altitude mode is noticeable if your next to the unit. The fan noise from the projector is less than the fan noise of some of my other low noise electronics. I haven't noticed the iris at all (and it is enabled) Fan sounds like a low frequency background noise , not a whine. From 6 feet, I didn't notice the fan while audio was turned off
3 - Blacks are incredible - Referencing the image black to my madonna velvet black trim, I can see a slight difference but not much. Looks good to me.
4 - I wound up focusing on the fabric on a wool suit. Very good detail.
5 - Even though the blacks are very black, you can see a reasonable amount of detail. The bungalo roof in the casino royale bermuda scene is very easy to see the texture during the night scene. P Cruz black hair had detail and highlights.
6 - For some reason, the lens was set to full horizontal and vertical shift when I got it.
7 - Color alignment - maybe a half pixel. Definitely does not have any alignment problem.
8 - I saw the vw200 and the rs2 at Cedia. My response to those viewings and my initial impression of the epson are very similar - very nice picture.
9 - Sharpness - not absolutely tack sharp - good enough for me. After carefully focusing the image, the sharpness improved considerably. Too bad that it doesn't have a motorized lens. It would be easier to focus.
10 - I need to move the PJ towards the screen. I have a 43" high 2.35 screen. The zoom wasn't quite enough to avoid having light spillover onto the velvet. (196" screen to pj distance)
12 - packaging - nicely packaged in a black cloth bag.
13 - smell - it must be outgassing because my wife noticed it. I didn't.
14 - out of the box color is quite nice. I haven't tried to align or improve it. Listen to the pros for their opinion on color out of the box.

I hope that shootouts will take place to determine the strong points for this projector. It looks to me like it is a definite keeper.

no I haven't seen the panny or the other lower priced pj. I have been using an IF4805 and the improvement in image quality is striking. I have seen the RS1 RS2 vw60 and vw200. Except for bragging rights, the epson is not too far from its more expensive brethren.

My opinions are subject to change as the initial wow factor wears off.
Source material that I have viewed includes direct*** at 1080I and HDA2.
This PJ is definitely worth looking at.
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Can you guys look at these screen shots using my Epson Home 1080 UB of my convergence and give me your opinion as to if the convergence of my unit is typical or not? This is on a 105" 1.0 gain screen. I am also going to send these to my vendor and see what they say. To me it is off by too much. The green and red seem to be off by two pixels relative to each other.

The first image (IMG_0065.JPG) is the Epson Pattern on the remote. I think it should be a one pixel wide white line.

The second image (IMG_0061.JPG) is of the internally generated Epson menu.

Thanks for any feedback,
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Hey guys,

Great pics, it's a nice little unit. Not an official statement or anything from my part, but we are doing what we can to be able to offer this projector to people and play within the guidelines we're given whether we like it or not. While the pricing structure puts all dealers in a level playing field, it doesn't do much for the customer.

It's more important for us to offer good products and services and prices people can stomach, hence what was talked about here is true.

Since it was brought up, Marc and I are the sales team at AV Science. If you'd like pricing on the projector and how we can help out, feel free to ask for either of us (me - Richard, or Marc) or, of course, your local custom installer or dealer.

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1+ on the convergence, unacceptable.
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Can you guys look at these screen shots using my Epson Home 1080 UB of my convergence and give me your opinion as to if the convergence of my unit is typical or not? This is on a 105" 1.0 gain screen. I am also going to send these to my vendor and see what they say. To me it is off by too much. The green and red seem to be off by two pixels relative to each other.

The first image (IMG_0065.JPG) is the Epson Pattern on the remote. I think it should be a one pixel wide white line.

The second image (IMG_0061.JPG) is of the internally generated Epson menu.

Thanks for any feedback,
Peter


That's not even close to acceptable unless you are planning on sitting 20m from the screen. I would contact the vendor immediately.
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The Pro 1080UB and the EMP-TW2000 are the same. The latter is the European version of the U.S. Pro. I'm not sure if the warranties cross over, however. In other words, if you buy a European EMP-TW2000 and want it serviced in the U.S., I'm not sure how that works and visa versa.

Past LCDs have had some issues with panel discoloration and overall life. With the older LCD front projectors, the panels often begin to degrade and discolor after three or four thousand hours or so of use. It is speculated that improper cooling and high heat has a lot to do with that. However, my understanding is that the latest generation of panels (D6, D7) do not degrade like that. Since they haven't been out long enough for a track record, I don't know if that's accurate.

LCD projectors also have other issues that can spring up. One is "color uniformity" Both my LCD projectors have developed varying degrees of this problem as the projectors aged. My current projector -- the Sony HS51 with a total of 1500 hours -- has a slight blue tint on the left image side and a slight pink tint on the right. It is not that noticeable unless the image is mostly white.

Another issue is mis-convergence. This is a hit or miss affair. Some projectors of the same model can have good convergence while others are off by more than a pixel.

Another issue with LCD is dust blobs. My Sony HS51 has been totally dust free for over three years. Excellent in terms of dust problems. However, both the Panasonic AE2000 and the Epson 1080UB and even the Mitsubishi HC6000 have had reported dust blobs.

The above issues are considered "grey areas" with manufacturers. Some mis-convergences, color uniformity problems and even dust blobs are considered "within specifications" by manufacturers. The degree may vary, but you will never get a "perfect" LCD projector. I don't have enough experience to tell you which manufacturers are more willing to service those issues.

From my experience, LCD projectors have come a long way from even six or seven years ago when I bought my first -- a Sony VPL-VW10HT (I can't believe I paid $8400 for that). Back then dust was everywhere and color uniformity was awful. Today, LCD projectors are MUCH better and have far fewer problems. And I assume that the latest generation -- such as the Epson 1080 UB -- will be even better. I hope so. My 1080 UB arrives on Friday.

I've heard good things about the screen you mentioned, but I have no experience with it. I currently have a DaLite High Power screen. I've calculated my projector angle and gain to be about 1.6 in the center seating area. Since my projector placement is 18 feet back from the 106" screen, I need a little extra boost.

Thanks Ricwhite! That helps
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I spoke to my vendor and also sent them the same screen shots that I posted. They consider my unit to be out of spec and will be sending me a new one.
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Can you guys look at these screen shots using my Epson Home 1080 UB of my convergence and give me your opinion as to if the convergence of my unit is typical or not? This is on a 105" 1.0 gain screen. I am also going to send these to my vendor and see what they say. To me it is off by too much. The green and red seem to be off by two pixels relative to each other.

The first image (IMG_0065.JPG) is the Epson Pattern on the remote. I think it should be a one pixel wide white line.

The second image (IMG_0061.JPG) is of the internally generated Epson menu.

Thanks for any feedback,
Peter

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Despite my unit being out of convergence and getting swapped out I did want to make a few comments about my 1080 UB Home.

I am comming from an electrohome marquee 8500 8" CRT in a fully light controlled room with black walls, ceilings and carpet. My screen is a 105" draper M1300 (1.0 gain) this is my first digital projector. I am in high altitude mode (live at 5800 feet), lamp dim, iris on, 6500K, theater 1. everything else at the defaults. my sources are a PS3 @ 1080p/24 and an A30 @ 1080p/24 running through an onkyo 805 to the projector. I sit 11 feet from the screen and the projector is set to the maximum wide angle zoom and is roughly three feet above my head sitting on a shelf.

Setup;
If you have every fully setup a CRT then anything is worlds easier. this thing took my 3 minutes to setup fully. place on shelf, put up test pattern level side to side and back to back with adjustable feet, use vertical and horizontal lense shift to dial it in. focus and zoom. goofy silly easy

Black level:
I can see the black bars in movies. They are there, they are very dim relative to the border of the screen. they don't distract me at all. Keep in mind my room is entirely black with no light sources in it.

Shadow detail:
This looks good to me as well. Often times when I have viewed digitals in the past I would get distracted in dark scenes as everything would turn gray with no details. I have not been distracted yet as the detail is there.

Color:
looks good despite my not touching anything color wise. green looks natural, colors don't look neon or over done.

Sharpness:
I don't want to comment on this as my convergence is way off and I can see the convergence being of from my sitting position during movies. This definitly affects the sharpness of my unit.

fan noise:
no complaints. lightly audible in very quite scenes. with the lamp on high my fan gets pretty loud due to my having to run in high altitude mode. I find the dim setting to be plenty bright. (i.e. dark to white scenes hurt my eyes)

Iris noise:
sounds like a hard drive at times. don't notice it really except in silent scenes and even then it is not objectionable to me at all. I would complain about the fan long before I would ever think to complain about the little amount of noise the iris makes in my setup.

Brightness:
Looks great to me in my bat cave but then I am used to the CRT which was never a light canon.

Convergence:
Bad. my unit is being swapped out as the vendor considers it out of spec. red is shifted at least one pixel left and one pixel up. green is shifted the opposite ways. I posted shots in a few posts up.

Conclusion:
A keeper, only complaint so far is the convergence.

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Hey ricwhite,
Let me know how the UB and HP work together, I have the exact same room setup and am considering this pairing. I'm concerned that the blacks will be too light and that ANSI contrast will suffer...my mount is adjustable and my HP gain would vary between 1.4-2.3.

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My convergence is not that bad. Not perfect, but not like that.

How is the uniformity on other units? I definitely see some shift with the left side a little dimmer and pinkish where the far right appears brighter and more bluish. Also I think I have a dust blob on the green channel already.

When throwing uniform field the green channel has a small problem area that was not there the night before. I can't believe that these filters are so useless in keeping out dust. I am not sure if I should contact Epson or the vendor. If I have a problem in under a week what is it going to be like over the course of ownership.
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I told her that I thought that had to be illegal because in my opinion that would most definitely be pricing fixing. She offered to send the notice which she did---read it and weep--I think it is price fixing because as she told me if they did not comply they would lose the line. She said although Epson would never actually say upfront that they would lose the line it is well understood that would be the outcome--- so they enforce what I think is their price fixing scheme by the silent threat of the dealer losing the line.

The DOJ has decided that retail price control is not worth messing with, so unless companies are agreeing with their competitors on prices (as opposed to their distributers), you won't scare the companies by yelling, "Sherman Act, Sherman Act!"

Sad but true.
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The DOJ has decided that retail price control is not worth messing with, so unless companies are agreeing with their competitors on prices (as opposed to their distributers), you won't scare the companies by yelling, "Sherman Act, Sherman Act!"

Sad but true.

While I understand your frustration, let's keep the thread topics on the Pro 1080UB.
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Anyone directly compare 1080UB to Panasonic AE2000 in terms of brightness, contrast, color and noise?

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[quote=CraigW;12767961]My convergence is not that bad. Not perfect, but not like that.

How is the uniformity on other units? I definitely see some shift with the left side a little dimmer and pinkish where the far right appears brighter and more bluish. Also I think I have a dust blob on the green channel already.QUOTE]

Wow, with the exception of convergence--mine seems near-perfect--you've just described my AE2000. My dust blob--my wife calls it, Fred--is on my blue panel. I guess Epson and Panasonic are working on being more alike in more ways then by simply using the same D7 panels...

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A little off topic but not so much. Projector Central just released the Epson Cinema 720 projector review and it received a great grade. I think this will assist in what the 1080UB might get.

Another note. This 720 projector has the same lumen rating as the 1080 so I bet you could use the calculator to judge a few things.
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A little off topic but not so much. Projector Central just released the Epson Cinema 720 projector review and it received a great grade. I think this will assist in what the 1080UB might get.

Another note. This 720 projector has the same lumen rating as the 1080 so I bet you could use the calculator to judge a few things.

When measuring FL for a 2:35 should you just use screen dimensions? Would that get you fairly close? For example my 2.35 screen is going to be 120x51. This gives you an area of 6120. Seeing as PJC doesn't have 2.35 screen info would it be safe to assume that 59x104 16:9 (6136 area) would be about the same FL? At a throw distance of 19.5 ft that shows 15 FL which is more than my TW700 on the same screen size, which is funny because they both show the same ANSI lumens.

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My initial impressions of the Epson Home Cinema 1080 UB projector:

My previous projector was a 720p Sony HS51. I am displaying on a DaLite High Power 106” screen. I am using HD DVD 1080P/24 Toshiba A35 and a 1080P/24 Panasonic BD30 connected via HDMI through a Onkyo TX-SR605 receiver.

Packaging:

The Epson was packaged fairly well. I’m not sure if the cardboard cushioning is as good as the Styrofoam that is usually used with previous projectors I have purchased, but it arrived in good condition. Inside was the projector, manual, power cord and remote with batteries.

Set-Up:

Setting up the projector was very easy. I used mostly default settings with just a few minor tweaks on the brightness, contrast, color. Most of the initial time was spent squaring the image on the screen and focusing it as good as possible without a power focus option. The default shifts were maximum low and maximum left, so I had to make major shifts to square the image on the screen from a middle shelf about 18 feet back and 5.5 feet high.

Settings:

I have the HDMI 1 (HD DVD) setting for Theater Black 1. I have the lamp on high and then dialed back the brightness very slightly to a -2. I set the absolute color temperature to K6500. I set iris to “auto.” I set the “2-2 Pull-down” to “on” for the 1080p/24, but I don’t really know what that does. Maybe somebody can enlighten me. I’m not sure if I need that on to get 24 fps or not.

Potential Problems Checked:

I displayed the pattern as well as the menu lettering to check for convergence. It appears VERY good – maybe just a tad of green on one side and red on the other, but only very slight. I put up a white screen to check for color uniformity. It appeared to me to be very good. I will look at that again in more detail. There may have been an every so slight bluish tinge to the white screen, but my eyes were not fully adjusted and I was anxious to get to the movie. I put up a black screen to check for dust. I found no dust blobs. I checked for noise. Unfortunately, I live in a high-altitude place and had to run it that mode. That coupled with the lamp on high does produce a fan noise maybe slightly higher than that of my Sony HS51. I didn’t hear it from my seating position since I am a good five feet away from the projector. But once up close, the fan noise is noticeable.

Impressions:

The Epson is a HUGE improvement over my Sony HS51 projector. I watched the HD DVD Stardust since I recently watched it on the Sony. Blacks are noticeable darker. Shadow detail is better. Brightness is higher. Colors appear more vibrant. The image has a cleaner look with more depth. Just excellent all around. I’m sure the settings need some calibration. I expect to be able to tweak the image even more, but I am very satisfied with what I am seeing here after just one movie.

I will post more impressions as I continue to watch more content and adjust some settings. I'll apologize in advance for not having any type of measuring equipment, so I can't give you any "numbers."
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Caveat Emptor: These are the opinions of a PJ newbie.

Edit: More technical detail here
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post12790557

I only have had this PJ for a little over a day and it managed to edge out the two week old AE2000!!! Anyway, for those who want to cut to the chase, the black levels are excellent, the brightness seems ample in Theater Black 1 (the only mode I really played with), the colors vibrant -- in a nutshell, it's excellent.

Anyway, enough talk and more images (scroll to the bottom for details about room, etc). These were shot with a Nikon D80, but for some reason the otherwise excellent camera had trouble keeping up with the extreme contrasts in some shots.


Also, the HD-DVD freezes weren't perfect -- the XBox 360 add on doesn't seem to be very good at pausing.

Sin City (The actual images is much better than the pictures!!!. Also, note that there appears to be some red bleed on the edges in some of the Sin City shots, but I didn't notice it while watching the movie):

http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1006ht8.jpg
http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1009bp2.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1010wy1.jpg (camera overexposure on the white)
http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1012jr7.jpg (the reds are luscious on screen -- look a little odd here)
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1013vs3.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1014cw1.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1015nd1.jpg ((the contrast in this image is even higher in real life!!!)
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1016bf1.jpg (that code is actually even blacker, but this is pretty good)
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1017vn7.jpg

King King (HD-DVD):

http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1018ep4.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1019iq0.jpg

Phantom of the Opera: (once again -- the stills from the add on aren't very good)

http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1021fm8.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1022sf5.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1024ce7.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1025hh1.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1026op6.jpg

2001: A Space Odyssey (HD-DVD: Don't know if the photos show it -- those blacks are really black!!!. And yes, there are really bright whites too!!!)
http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1031bf4.jpg (camera once agained troubled by the contrast -- the space is even blacker)
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1032xi7.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1033ef8.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1035yr4.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1036pm1.jpg (there were many more stars in the actual image)
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1037kb6.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1038ej3.jpg (more details missing from the photo)

Blade Runner (HD-DVD). These photos didn't turn out well at all -- the colors in the opening shot doesn't do justice to the actual image
http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1039br7.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1040hb6.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1041yt3.jpg

LOTR (SD-DVD):
http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1042jy6.jpg (don't know why those blue lines show up in the photo -- maybe side effect of screen oddities)
http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1043az4.jpg
http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1044hx3.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1046ib5.jpg (nice glow from the ring)

In a mood for Love (SD-DVD -- excellent shadow detail here. Once again the photos aren't very close
http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1047dc4.jpg (the cupboard is dark brown and has nearly disappeared in the photo. Notice the excellent mix of pastel shades and very dark colors)
http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1048oh4.jpg (Tony Leung's coat is really really black -- it's a few shades lighter in the photo and the entire photo is overexposed as a whole)
http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1051sl3.jpg (More shadow details -- the coat is even more black actually!!!)
http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1052ju6.jpg


http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc1049xr4.jpg

Environment:

Screen: FocusPix Grey1.8, 106" diagonal (1.8 gain). Top of screen is ~2.5' from ceiling (room restrictions)
Room: 20' long with 9+ ' ceilings
Throw distance: About 14' feet; PJ mounted at 6' 4" to account for retroflective screen
Seating: About 10'
Ambient light control: Very good / excellent. Can be made pitch dark esp. at night if wife permits . On the minus side, walls are painted beige with a tan carpet; door 16' away and diametrically opposite is bright white.
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Thanks for the impressions. Could you go a little more in depth regarding the differences between the two?

No offense but those pictures don't do that pj justice at all. The King Kong one's are extremely soft and under saturated. It looks like the pics came right off a local cable feed.

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Thanks for the impressions. Could you go a little more in depth regarding the differences between the two?

No offense but those pictures don't do that pj justice at all. The King Kong one's are extremely soft and under saturated. It looks like the pics came right off a local cable feed.

Edit: More technical detail here
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post12790557

I agree that the pictures aren't too good. The xBox 360 add on seems to be especially bad at freezing HD images and hopefully the SD-DVD shots are better.

I will add some Panny shots later, but I don't know whether I am qualified to talk about the differences between the two in great detail (other than trust my eyes ). In any case, I can safely say that the Epson has the Panny beat hands down, stylistically speaking...
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