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My Epson Pro Cinema 1080UB was just delivered. I will post my thoughts on the unit after I set it up tonight or tomorrow. I will try to post pics.

Shipping weight was over thirty pounds. I don't think the Projector itself weighs that much and I doubt the mount and bulb add that much weight.
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Pro Cinema 1080 UB will arrive next wednesday. 33# is a heavyweight.
In anticipation of its arrival ---

Please post your impressions --

Fan Noise
Brightness
Sharpness
Color out of the box
Light spill that shines out of the box


What are you comparing this unit to
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What are you comparing this unit to

My previous unit was a Sharp DT300, a DLP Matterhorn. Color on that unit was marred by a strong green yellow like many DLPs of the time. Comparing the DT300 to the last years Home 1080 noise wise, the DT300 is jet engine with its loud fan and color wheel whine.

I have seen other 1080 units, but I did not see the PC 1080UB before ordering. Complaints on the AE2000 scared me out of ordering, but I know I am guniea pig for the Epson users. There were too many 1080 options coming out soon that caused me to pass over the Panny.

The reason I went with the new Pro UB sight unseen were the following:
1. Warranty 3 years (Epson will replace Pj on short notice).
2. Extra Bulb
3. Mount.
4. AVS pricing!!!! Call them!!! Marc sent me the rebate form this morning. It was icing on the cake for an already excellent price.
5. Intrigued by the UltraBlack technology. This may just be marketing hype, but if Epson truly has this technology exclusively then it may be something to brag about. I will just be happy if its native contrast ratio approaches my ancient DLP.

This unit will be throwing onto a 92" Optoma Graywolf screen. I will probably be updating the screen sometime in this calendar year. Waves are issue with it and I want to go with a fixed frame screen to eliminate this.
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what rebate would that be? I thought the epson rebate did not cover the UB models.
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Craig,

Could you adjust the title to include the alternate TW2000 name and could everyone start posting their in hand reviews here? There are too many different threads floating around about this PJ.



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Hello,

Quote: what rebate would that be? I thought the epson rebate did not cover the UB models.

Epson has now offered a 200.00 rebate on the UB also

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I am very excited to hear what your impressions are on this pj. When I finally get to the FP part of my basement remodel this just may be the one for me. Keep us posted! Oh! and pics pics pics!

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Sorry I have not had a chance to get back here until tonight. I did not get home from work until 6pm last night and I have two little rugrats at home that need some daddy time.

Impressions:
I am flat out impressed with the Epson. I have heard complaints that it was dim but that has not been my experience. Yes the filter modes are dimmer than the non ones but the color and black level are flat out impressive.

So far I have tried out the xvColor mode with the the PS3. Coming from an out of date DLP, the Epson flat out floors that model. Contrast and black level is not issue in my setup. It is a full underground basement (no walkout) which is nearly completely light controled.

I am going to post some pics of the unboxing and setup.

I was not sure if I was going to like the mount that Epson included but after deciding to use I think I made the right decision. I could faintly see PremierMounts printed on the mount. I had to remove the extension arm since the unit was being installed in a low ceiling room, 7.5'.

The biggest challenge I had was on Wednesday/Thursday night when I tried to fish the new 25' Monoprice HDMI cable. I did not run any conduit when I finished the room a little over two years ago because I thought I had easy access to the joist space. Well I should have because the joist space I needed to run in was busy with duct work. The HDMI cable although thick was too flimsy and the end was bulky which got caught on things which should have been a straight shot. In the end, some 12ga romex that I had left over ended up being my guide.

I fired up the PJ at 10:30 last night and here is what some wanted to know.
Fan Noise
-- Low is fairly quiet but it does ramp up occassionally. I think my ceiling gets warm from the duct work in joist space near where the PJ is mounted and my Onkyo 805 puts out a lot heat
Brightness. Flat out quiet compared to the jet engine sharp with color wheel whine.
-- Vivid is definitely brighter but it skews towards the green spectrum. Dimmer in the Epson Cinema filter modes but in my environment. Dimmer is still enough for my lowend GW screen. I am happy with Epson Cinema filter modes.
Sharpness
-- With 1080i/p feeds it looks pretty sharp, but I am sure single chip DLP still is the best in this regard. I got close and the convergence seemed good, but I did not get overly anal about last night.
Color out of the box
-- Excellent, light years better than my old yellow green DLP
Light spill that shines out of the box
-- None from my seating position. Plus my ceiling is painted a very dark blue so I don't think I would notice a little light spill. My room is a dark merlot with a dark blue ceiling. The lightest thing in the room is the faux wood flooring.


Even my wife said to me today that usually when I bring something new home she can't tell the difference, but this HD projector is a definite improvement.

I will try to post some pics in the near future.

The 1080UB was definitely more bright and had more detail in low light level scenes compared to the Home 1080 I saw at my local Ultimate last week, but in comparison I think that unit was throwing on 133" screen compared to my 92" and I don't know how many hours the Home had on it compared to my new bulb.
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The projectorreviews.com blog has some initial comments in this projector. A quote:

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The important point is that the black levels in the letterbox areas, is actually very close between the two. My JVC seems to be a little brighter with both in best modes, and to have a bit lower gamma overall, but the Epson may well prove to be competitive with the RS1, if not as good at black levels and shadow detail, at least fairly close, and defintely more horsepower in brightnest mode.

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Now that I have enough posts to add a link:

ProjectorReviews.com: Epson Home Cinema 1080UB being reviewed - First thoughts
http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog...irst-thoughts/
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My previous unit was a Sharp DT300, a DLP Matterhorn. Color on that unit was marred by a strong green yellow like many DLPs of the time. Comparing the DT300 to the last years Home 1080 noise wise, the DT300 is jet engine with its loud fan and color wheel whine.

I have seen other 1080 units, but I did not see the PC 1080UB before ordering. Complaints on the AE2000 scared me out of ordering, but I know I am guniea pig for the Epson users. There were too many 1080 options coming out soon that caused me to pass over the Panny.

The reason I went with the new Pro UB sight unseen were the following:
1. Warranty 3 years (Epson will replace Pj on short notice).
2. Extra Bulb
3. Mount.
4. AVS pricing!!!! Call them!!! Marc sent me the rebate form this morning. It was icing on the cake for an already excellent price.
5. Intrigued by the UltraBlack technology. This may just be marketing hype, but if Epson truly has this technology exclusively then it may be something to brag about. I will just be happy if its native contrast ratio approaches my ancient DLP.

This unit will be throwing onto a 92" Optoma Graywolf screen. I will probably be updating the screen sometime in this calendar year. Waves are issue with it and I want to go with a fixed frame screen to eliminate this.

Hey I remember you in the Panny ae2000u thread. I got a ae2000u and had TERRIBLE convergence, got it replaced and this one had bad convergence. PPeople are giving me another return and I was thinkning about the 1080UB. Did you see a ae200u as well? I would LOVE a comparison. ALSO Peoplke mentioned the image on the EU version was "soft", do you see that or is is sharp?? AND how is the Screen Door Effect? At what distance does it go away??

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AND how is the Screen Door Effect? At what distance does it go away??

about 2 inches....NO SDE issues at all! And sharper than my old pearl, webby.

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bad pics (grainy)..will post better pics soon....
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about 2 inches....NO SDE issues at all! And sharper than my old pearl, webby.

Really??

OK
I have had 2 bad ae2000u and can get another or the Home 1080UB...Hope I make the right call with the UB!!!

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bad pics (grainy)..will post better pics soon....

Thats some black black

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Hope that someone will post how to use the ISF features of the pro-cinema when they are available.
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yeah, it seems like there's a lot to tweak on my TW2000! But i feel that it is "dialed in" for now. I'm just trying to get 1080P from my PS3....I have an old DVI cable with HDMI ends and it's not jivin with the pj....anyone who can chime in on this would be great.

I will post more accurate pics when I get the time.....however, what I posted so far, the colors are accurate from the "theater black 1" setting. It is the best so far.....

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KBMAN...
How is your convergence?

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Hey I remember you in the Panny ae2000u thread. I got a ae2000u and had TERRIBLE convergence, got it replaced and this one had bad convergence. PPeople are giving me another return and I was thinkning about the 1080UB. Did you see a ae200u as well? I would LOVE a comparison. ALSO Peoplke mentioned the image on the EU version was "soft", do you see that or is is sharp?? AND how is the Screen Door Effect? At what distance does it go away??

Never saw an AE2000 in action. I don't think the image is soft, but I still think single chip DLP holds the sharpness crown.

I project a 92" image and view it at about 11' feet. Screen door is not an issue. I have to press my nose to the screen almost to see individual pixels. The pixels are extremely tiny compared to the ones I saw on my 576 DLP unit.
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yeah, it seems like there's a lot to tweak on my TW2000! But i feel that it is "dialed in" for now. I'm just trying to get 1080P from my PS3....I have an old DVI cable with HDMI ends and it's not jivin with the pj....anyone who can chime in on this would be great.

I will post more accurate pics when I get the time.....however, what I posted so far, the colors are accurate from the "theater black 1" setting. It is the best so far.....

I never tried using my old DVI cable with the HDMI dongles. I ran a new 25' 1.3 HDMI from Monoprice. Synced up immediately.

You may be running into your DVI cable not supporting data transfer rates especially going through the dongles. A lower resolution may work, but 1080p is much more data intensive.
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My initial opinion is what many have been saying over the last year. 3LCD has surpassed DLP in many areas. No more rainbows, green yellows, dithering.

The contrast and black lever are unbelievable in my setup. I never thought LCD would look this black and darker scenes are not missing detail. Glad I took chance going LCD.
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YOU GUYS,
Take a look at the "TW2000 vs Sony VW50 (pearl) thead....it might shine some light on the subject

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Here are some pics
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I have not taken any of the projector in action, but as many of us know those are not good indicators for showing what a projector is capable of.
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How is your convergence?

IT's better than average for sure. There is a slight red shift upward on some text, but not really noticable from my seating distance. Every other color is spot-on.

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a few more "grainy" pics, but the color is right on....
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My HT has advanced light years with the three pieces of equipment I added over the the last year. First it was the PS3 which then caused upgraditis for a new HDMI receiver for lossless audio. So I bought the Onkyo TX-SR805. Well after the PS3 was upgraded via firmware to do 1080p24 it was pushing me to a display to fully appreciate Blu-ray. Add the declining 1080p projector prices and now I have the final piece, the Pro 1080UB.
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Has anyone found the 1080UB for the price before Epson made the suppliers jump them up? I have been looking, but have had no luck. This is what is pushing me toward the Mits HC6000.

If so could you PM me?

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Has anyone found the 1080UB for the price before Epson made the suppliers jump them up? I have been looking, but have had no luck. This is what is pushing me toward the Mits HC6000.

If so could you PM me?

I must have missed something. What price jump are you talking about?
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