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I'm sure it's more than that. It's a 18' x 10' 4 way masking system. I'm just guessing the price

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Sounds like a complete waste of a 4k projector. Take a 1k pixel, put 3horizontal lines and 3 vertical lines through it and get 16 4k pixels. And, pay HOW much for the privilege??

Upconverting has advantages we certainly have seen that with SD to HD. What ,except for the magnitude, would be the difference ? It would be great to have 4K sources of course , but I'll need a diaper by then.

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Hell, their webpage must have cost them $6,000,000 to produce...

heheh What a terrible site! INavigating it is like trying to trying to drop the explosives in the little hole in the death star without the force.
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Where are consumers supposed to get 4K content?


Here I am on my way down to Best Buy to get my 4K copy of Forbidden Planet.


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Upconverting has advantages we certainly have seen that with SD to HD. What ,except for the magnitude, would be the difference ? It would be great to have 4K sources of course , but I'll need a diaper by then.

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This is true (the diaper part for me too). Upscaling works so well because it is NOT the simple pixel multiplication described by coldmachine. The higher HD resolution is used by SD upconverters to smooth the SD pixel structure with various methods and algorythms.

Am I really writing this to Art!? Pardon me if I'm stating the obvious.
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This is true (the diaper part for me too). Upscaling works so well because it is NOT the simple pixel multiplication described by coldmachine. The higher HD resolution is used by SD upconverters to smooth the SD pixel structure with various methods and algorythms.

Am I really writing this to Art!? Pardon me if I'm stating the obvious.

Almost nothing is too obvious for me.

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What a phase nightmare. All those drivers! Perhaps one listening position can be optimized but that's it.

And, like others have said, I like my equipment to disappear. It's all in a projector room and behing the SMX screen.

That reminds me of a story a K+H saleman told me. He may have been at Genelec at the time. He was called to calibrate a custom installation, I don't know the brand of the equipment, and when he got to the location there was a ton of components. He said that the single greatest improvement in bass responce was when he unplugged half of the sub-woofers. Apparently they were phasing each other out.

I also like everything hidden that doesn't need to be seen. I do like easy access to the Preamp/Processor, DVD, and HTPC drive, but I would have them behind me so their blue LEDs don't distract me.

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Erkq : Is art supposed to know everything just because he has one of the best theaters around? IMPO of course. I am just being humorous so do not take it seriously.

Everyone is still learning as our hobbies progress. Even me and I thought I knew everything. Just kidding.
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Erkq : Is art supposed to know everything just because he has one of the best theaters around? IMPO of course. I am just being humorous so do not take it seriously.

Everyone is still learning as our hobbies progress. Even me and I thought I knew everything. Just kidding.

Art doesn't know it but he has been one of the biggest contributors to the design and implementation of my HT. My neighbors and I are very pleased with the results.
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That reminds me of a story a K+H saleman told me. He may have been at Genelec at the time. He was called to calibrate a custom installation, I don't know the brand of the equipment, and when he got to the location there was a ton of components. He said that the single greatest improvement in bass responce was when he unplugged half of the sub-woofers. Apparently they were phasing each other out.

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Yeah, people make this mistake all the time. A local AV shop built a theater showroom and put a subwoofer in the front, back and in every column. They spread something like 12 woofers all over. What a gawd-awful mess they made. The modal results were completely unmanageable. They were adamat: "DON'T do it!"
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Examining finished theaters especially high end ones like some of the forum members have are so handy at implementing ideas which I would never have thought about in 10 lifetimes.
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Quote: Sony SRX-R-110 - 4k (4096 x 2160p) 3-chip SXRD Cine Alta 10,000 ANSI Lumen Theater Projector (short throw Fujinon zoom lens: 1.56-1.90) - Main Projector

This is the Crown Jewell of the whole Home Theater (better: Home Cinema), wondering how Bright and "Excellent" is the picture and How Much $$$$ it’s cost !

( And Sony Qualia 004 for beaming . . . the commercials/sponsor's ads ??? )
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The hydro company will love you with that home theater.
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The people who do that "home theater" are idiots. 48 foot lamberts? Are they nuts? Do they want to blind people? A projector is meant to be viewed in the dark not under noon day sun! Why do they quote SMPTE and then say it's all digital? Again, S T U P I D!!!!! D-Cinema is for "DIGITAL CINEMA", which is 14 foot lamberts.

Same total nonsense I was given when I said I was going to use a High Power screen with my Infocus IN82. They were totally wrong. More lumen's is a lot more enjoyable.

Blinding you? Do any of these people understand how bright it is when you are outside?

The result with the HP and the projector is a very enjoyable picture The high light levels put your eyes in a good viewing range like reality instead of down low where the eyes are getting into a distorted region as you approach the color cones starting go out and the BW cones starting to come in.

We all know that higher sound levels are more exciting than sound levels. It sure seems that light is the same way. Higher fls are better.
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This is from some dude on projectorcentral.com. $ 98,550 (MSRP)

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I saw this baby with the 10K light in action at the Government Video Expo in Washington, D.C. in December 2005. It is immense. About four foot long, three foor wide, two foot tall. You ain't gonna hang this brute upside down, bat-like in your living room, trust me on that!

With respect to image quality, what can I say. The demo showed 35,000 Excel spread sheets concurrently. And when you walked up close to the screen, you could read the numbers in each and every one of hese 35,000 spreadsheets projected simultaneously. Try that trick with your $999 Best Buy projector!

The native resolution is app. 4,000 x 2,000, "4K" or 8.2 megapixel. The Digital Cinema Initiative won't eve go there until after 2010.

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The projector weighs in at 282 pounds. There are two sturdy grab bars built into it front and back, so I suppose four hunks can lift it and move it about. But be careful on those stairs! You also need to have proper air ventilation (ir duct to the outside) for this baby.
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Hell, their webpage must have cost them $6,000,000 to produce...

If I paid for that web site design, I would have asked for a refund
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If the upscaling is done at an exact even multiple, then there should be no additional artifacts. So 1920*1080 becomes 3840*2160. Or stated another way one pixel becomes four pixels. The resolution stays exactly the same.

The point was that bragging about the resolution of the home theater projector being higher than IMAX is irrelevant when that level of detail is not present in the source.

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One thing that this room does better than most of the minimal rooms is make a really great place to do business. I bet it's a great room to just sit and talk about home theater in. It also looks great in the magazines.
It almost looks like a cross between a library/study/studio/theater.
I wouldn't build it as my HT, but I kind of like it for what it does.

I'd have the 4k projector in a flash though (as long as it came with a free house big enough to fit it into and in the english countryside )
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I'd have the 4k projector in a flash though (as long as it came with a free house big enough to fit it into and in the english countryside )

AND a free hydro-electric plant.
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I saw this projector at CEDIA in 2006. The resolution on some parts of the screen was astounding but it had significant uniformity and panel registration errors. This resulted in a green appearance to about a third of the screen as well as it appearing not to be nearly as sharp in various areas of the screen.

The ANSI pop of DLP was nonexistant with the image looking very bright but simultaneosly flat looking. This was after seeing a few three chip DLPs before and after. I went back into the demo which had I think a 20' wide screen later to confirm my impressions.

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Holy crap , definitive evidence that no amount of viagra will compensate for a 1/2" pecker. All claims of color space and res being better than imax are, of course, wrong btw. Imax ocn is regularly scanned at at least 8K and probably resolves 16K or more so even with loses in contact printing a imax print will wipe the floor with a 4K sony projector. Not that you would be able to tell after having you eyes burnt out by the fl on this dope's screen.
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Holy crap , definitive evidence that no amount of viagra will compensate for a 1/2" pecker. All claims of color space and res being better than imax are, of course, wrong btw. Imax ocn is regularly scanned at at least 8K and probably resolves 16K or more so even with loses in contact printing a imax print will wipe the floor with a 4K sony projector. Not that you would be able to tell after having you eyes burnt out by the fl on this dope's screen.

Harsh......harsh.

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Sorry but it just seems that it takes a really feeble mind to come up with something so gaudy and technically off the mark. Furthermore it does not even seem to be a enjoyable theatre to watch a film in unless you are impressed by the dollar content, which I am not. The site makes multiple reference to many classic old cinema palaces but the monstrosity they made does not pay any homage to the class or beauty of these old theatres, lame.
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With respect to image quality, what can I say. The demo showed 35,000 Excel spread sheets concurrently. And when you walked up close to the screen, you could read the numbers in each and every one of hese 35,000 spreadsheets projected simultaneously. Try that trick with your $999 Best Buy projector!

Some basic arithmetic will show that claim to be utter garbage as it means that each spreadsheet was just over 200 pixel in total volume or 15x15 pixels.

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I'd have the 4k projector in a flash though (as long as it came with a free house big enough to fit it into and in the english countryside )

We had an extensive discussion on this PJ a while back so I wont go into all the details again. I've seen it many many times and actually used it professionally for image analysis.

It is without doubt the most disappointing machine I've ever used. Uniformity is terrible. registration is terrible, CR was bad and ANSI is pathetic. Thats why sales are abysmal. There is a healthy segment in larger HT at that price and over and the Sony cant penetrate it when stacked against the Christies and Barcos.

The only way for Sony to shift them would be to give them away with a PS3

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This is from some dude on With respect to image quality, what can I say. The demo showed 35,000 Excel spread sheets concurrently.


The 4K sxrd is often used in DI grading suites with setups like a Quantel Pablo or Filmlight Baselight-8 which will play and grade uncompressed 4K files. The projector has problems with convergence (as you would expect) but it makes a great pic when calibrated but still does not display the full color gamut of film...
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Why do I have a sneaky feeling these people sell $100 + per foot speaker wire and convince customers it creates a "warmth and extra 3d pop" to the sound?
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The only way for Sony to shift them would be to give them away with a PS3


Ah well - Digital Projection are just up the road from me - I should try and get a look at their stuff.
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The 4K sxrd is often used in DI grading suites with setups like a Quantel Pablo or Filmlight Baselight-8 which will play and grade uncompressed 4K files. The projector has problems with convergence (as you would expect) but it makes a great pic when calibrated but still does not display the full color gamut of film...

It also has poor ANSI and on off contrast very very poor uniformity and color.

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