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post #1 of 12 Old 03-08-2008, 09:40 AM - Thread Starter
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I just checked my location at tvfool.com and every digital station was in the green. I can only get 5.1,5.2,7.1,7.2,7.3,11.1(HD),11.2 but all the other stations are listed as green. I can't get 2.1(cbs),4.1(nbc),13.1(PBS) and 2 & 4 are important to me. Is it because i'm using old rabbit ears that aren't set for the digital age? I did buy a powered antenna from wal-mart, philips i think it was but it was worse than the one i'm using.
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It might be that some of your stations are UHF and the others VHF. Could be interference in the house, etc.. Can you post your results so we have a better idea of what you require for an antenna?

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http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/Stations.aspx
Show Digital Stations Only FLORAL PARK, NY 11001
Antenna Call Sign Channel City,State Heading Miles Frequency
* yellow WWOR-DT 9.1 MNT SECAUCUS, NJ 290° 14.5 38
* yellow WPXN-DT 31.1 ION NEW YORK, NY 290° 14.5 30
* yellow WNYW-DT 5.1 FOX NEW YORK, NY 290° 14.5 44
* yellow WPIX-DT 11.1 CW NEW YORK, NY 290° 14.5 33
* yellow WXTV-DT 41.1 UNI PATERSON, NJ 290° 14.5 40
* yellow WLIW-DT 21.2 PBS GARDEN CITY, NY 84° 14.4 22
* yellow WCBS-DT 2.1 CBS NEW YORK, NY 290° 14.5 56
* yellow WABC-DT 7.1 ABC NEW YORK, NY 292° 14.5 45
* yellow WABC-DT 7.1 ABC NEW YORK, NY 281° 15.8 7
* yellow WCBS-DT 33.1 CBS NEW YORK, 290° 14.5 33
* yellow WNET-DT 13.1 PBS NEWARK, 281° 15.8 13
* yellow WLIW-DT 21.2 PBS GARDEN CITY, 84° 14.4 21
* yellow WFUT-DT 30.1 TFA NEWARK, 292° 14.5 30
* yellow WPXN-DT 31.1 ION NEW YORK, 281° 15.8 31
* yellow WPIX-DT 11.1 CW NEW YORK, 281° 15.8 11
* green WNYE-DT 25.1 IND NEW YORK, NY 274° 14.0 24
* green WNET-DT 13.1 PBS NEWARK, NJ 290° 14.5 61
* violet WNJN-DT 51.1 PBS MONTCLAIR, NJ 304° 27.4 51
* violet WNJB-DT 8.1 PBS NEW BRUNSWICK, NJ 274° 42.1 8
* violet WNBC-DT 4.1 NBC NEW YORK, NY 294° 14.3 28
street map level
Channels
A: 21.2, 21.2
B: 7.1, 8.1, 11.1, 13.1, 25.1, 31.1
C: 2.1, 4.1, 5.1, 7.1, 9.1, 11.1, 13.1, 30.1, 31.1, 33.1, 41.1
D: 51.1
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Do you really mean rabbit ears? Those are VHF only.

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All the stations listed, with the exception of WNJB-DT are currently broadcasting their digital signals on UHF. Next February 17th, Ch. 7,11 & 13 will be moving back to VHF, so you're going to need an antenna that can pick up both.
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I get great reception on 3 UHF and 1 VHF high digital channels using rabbit ears. Of course Bakersfield doesn't have anywhere near as many tall buildings and other obstructions as the NYC metro area.

How can we say "the digital transition is complete" when thousands of low power stations are still broadcasting in analog?
LOW POWER ANALOG NEEDS TO DIE NOW!!!
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Do you really mean rabbit ears? Those are VHF only.

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While true, I was able to pull in UHF DTV stations using nothing but simple rabbit ears. It may not be perfect, but it can work.

I have seen a dual "rabbit ear" antenna that had the longer "ears" and the loop connected at the same time. That might be a bit better.

In comparing rabbit ears to a simple loop antenna, both seem to work about the same. The stations are about 32 miles from my house, so I receive a strong signal. I did like the rabbit ears to the loop antenna, because it was easier to bend and thist them to get a stable signal.

Still, I would rather use an outside antenna over rabbit ears; even with the strong signals in my area. (No need to fool around to get a solid signal.)

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I did buy a powered antenna from wal-mart, philips i think it was but it was worse than the one i'm using.

Amplifying indoor antennas usually create too much random noise. It's better to use a passive (unamplified) antenna like the $25 Radio Shack 15-1868. That thing has a fine-tuning dial, so you might need to work at it for a while to get a reliable feed of all stations. Connect that antenna to the tuner with a quad-shielded RG-6 cable (which you can also get at RS), and you'll have a chance.

WCBS-DT and WNBC-DT are your toughest signals because WNBC is at a lower power and altitude than the other stations, and WCBS is at a very high UHF frequency (56), which indoor antennas tend to have a lack of gain compared to other channels for. The fact that your old antenna's not desgned for HDTV isn't the reason you're having trouble with those channels.
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my antenna is a RCA date code5318, it has a UHF loop behind the regular VHF antennas but no dials to fine tune anything. WOW i just checked and i can get D56-01 which is CBS but still can't get channel 4 NBC which i would like to watch the hockey games in HD.
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In April, Antennas Direct will have available it's newest indoor antenna. The Lacrosse Micron indoor DTV antenna represents a breakthrough indoor design. It has a higher gain in only a 10x10 form of 8 dBi (max gain) and is 98% efficient at 525 MHz across the entire bandwidth. It targets post 2009 core DTV frequencies with high VHF capabilities.
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There is no such thing as an antenna that is "designed for HDTV"! Antennas are disigned to receive all signals within the antenna's frequency range. It neither knows nor cares how the signal is modulated or what the program content is.

How can we say "the digital transition is complete" when thousands of low power stations are still broadcasting in analog?
LOW POWER ANALOG NEEDS TO DIE NOW!!!
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