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Many thanks for your thoughts on the Philips SDV 2210/17. Reading this forum has been quite informative, and when I read your comments, remembered seeing this antenna listed on Amazon.com as the Philips SDV2210/17 UHF/VHF/FM/HDTV Indoor Antenna (whew!), and for all of $9.99 it was a compelling buy. Looks like they carry the Philips PHDTV1 Silver Sensor and the MANT510 along with a number of others, but for the price decided that it was worth it, if only to see if it was any better than my old '80s-vintage GE rabbit ears.

The 2210/17 is a competent though unspectacular indoor antenna; its performance is close to that of the RCA ANT108/ANT110, Radio Shack 15-1868 Delta, and RCA ANT1020. In my home tests, its ATSC signal-grabbing performance was more dependable than some older antennas such as the Radio Shack 15-1838, Radio Shack 15-1857, and some other 1990s-vintage Gemini and Recoton antennas.

Given the $10 to $13 price tag, it's an attractive alternative to test out in your home if you are in a very strong signal location and dislike the RCA ANT108/ANT110 styling. This very stylish antenna is competent but not the absolute best unit I've used.

EV, they sell the 2210/17 at Walmart stores (though not online) - are you interested in seeing how it performs at your South Carolina laboratories?
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I got an RCA ANT1500 last night and was very disappointed in it. With a Silver Sensor I get about 85% signal from stations about 30 miles away but with the RCA1500 I could not get above 65% signal and could not get near as many stations. I am returning the RCA1500. It may work better if you are closer to stations but for my case this is not a good antenna.

Thank you for the report. It seems that the while the Silver Sensor can be a nuisance in certain respects - particularly its proneness to tipping over - it remains a superior antenna for many locations.
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Sorry folks. Im doing the best I can.

Anyways, we can see that instruments are more reliable indicactors, thus a good move for this guide, to take some of the human error and guesswork out of it.

golinux, cant wait to hear your results.

Derek Dean and hdfan, thanks for sharing your experiences.

Im going up to my Brothers next week, he lives at 29640, Easley SC and is within reach of several broadcast markets, I believe....with closer towers and in more directions.

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EscapeVelocity, since you published this the RS 15-1880 that once went for $40 on E-bay now goes for $80+shipping!

If you think those converter box signals are something, you should get one of the Dish vip HD receivers. Those things are stubborn and flakey when it comes to reporting signal strength. The signal strength might be at 97. Then a gust of wind will blow (Mind you, I have rabbit ears and loops--all indoor stuff), and the signal will be at 62.
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I believe "TS-1581B - HI-TECH UHF/VHF/FM BOOSTER ANTENNA" (from the site below) is a Chinese/Taiwanese copy of the legendary RS 15-1880 and should be cheaper than the E-bay $80+SH. However, it would be a challenge to locate stores that sell these replicates, and those stores normally do not have online shopping setup.


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I notice that the "RS 15-1880" is basically 2 loops and a reflector behind them (UHF part). So, maybe the reflector is the feature that enhances the performance of this antenna.

Could some folks with expertise in RF antenna to confirm this?

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I believe "TS-1538B - HI-TECH UHF/VHF/FM BOOSTER ANTENNA" (from the site below) is a Chinese/Taiwanese copy of the legendary RS 15-1880 and should be cheaper than the E-bay $80+SH. However, it would be a challenge to locate stores that sell these replicates, and those stores normally do not have online shopping setup.

We need to find out what these are selling for! Trisonic model TS-1538 resembles the Radio Shack 15-1862 more than the silver-colored 15-1880. There is also a Trisonic TS-1538B with a claimed "30db booster."

The distributor indicates the minimum order amount is $200, it appears these are shipped as a master pack quantity of 12, inner pack quantity of 6. Although the web site references "99 cent store specials", it's unclear what the price plus shipping would be to buy a quantity of these Trisonic TS1538s.

Note: I called their phone number just a couple of minutes ago at 1-800-TRISONIC. I was informed that the minimum purchase amount was $500, and no pricing information would be provided on antennas "because you are not our customer". Beware.
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I believe "TS-1538B - HI-TECH UHF/VHF/FM BOOSTER ANTENNA" (from the site below) is a Chinese/Taiwanese copy of the legendary RS 15-1880.....

I hope we can find one to test - but check this blog post about a Trisonic antenna. In the article "Crap We'll Never Buy Again", the blogger mentioned absolutely nothing about TV reception but made other comments about the Trisonic TS-1598B worth a good laugh.

While I'm at it, check out this EV-DT410 Luxtronic UHF/ VHF/ FM Rabbit Ear Antenna. It's selling for $1.49.
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DT410 Luxtronic UHF/ VHF/ FM Rabbit Ear Antenna• Telescoping Rods• Adjustable Antenna Rods• UHF Signal Grabbing Rings• Felt Protected Base Bottom• Stainless Steel Rods• Poly Bag and Header Card PackagingUPC 8 26139 12002 6

Another curiosity: the EV-ANT-101 Quantum FX 25dB Gain UHF/VHF/FM High Performance Amplified Indoor Antenna selling for $8.97. It appears to be near-identical to the $29.97 Cornet antenna being sold at C.Crane, here is the description:
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Quantum FX High Performance Indoor Antenna Amplifies With BoosterFeatures:State of the art 2 stage VHF amplifier.Low noise high gain UHF amplifier incorporating surface mount technology.Adjustable linear gain control.Super efficient noise reduction circuitry.Highly sensitive VHF elements and gain directional UHF element.Super FM reception.Tilt adjustment.LED power indicator UPC: 6 06540 00148 6

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As does the Trisonic 1898B. Ive also seen a Petra branded model that looks the same.

Beware that these units can be manufacutered with superior or inferior electronics(amplifiers) to meet price points. But also can be the exact same units.

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As does the Trisonic 1898B. Ive also seen a Petra branded model that looks the same.

Beware that these units can be manufactured with superior or inferior electronics(amplifiers) to meet price points. But also can be the exact same units.

These off-brand antennas might be the B-grade units from Chinese factories which don't pass the quality-control tests of major-brand companies like Jasco, Audiovox and Philips. Chinese factories produce an enormous amount of manufactured product, so these off-brand units are likely made on the same production lines as the Jasco/Audiovox/Philips aerials.

Still, I'd be eager to get my hands on a clone of the Radio Shack 15-1862 or 15-1880.

P.S. For those who don't know the corporate shorthand:

Jasco = General Electric (GE)
Audiovox = Terk, RCA, Jensen
Philips = Philips, Magnavox
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Here are more Trisonic antennas which resemble the discontinued Radio Shack 15-1862 and 15-1880:

TS-1538B - HI-TECH UHF/VHF/FM BOOSTER ANTENNA
Built-In 30 dB Booster
8.5" Satellite Dish Antenna

TS-1581 - HI-TECH UHF/VHF/FM ANTENNA
11" Satellite Dish Antenna

TS-1581B - HI-TECH UHF/VHF/FM BOOSTER ANTENNA
Built-In 30 dB Booster
11" Satellite Dish Antenna
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Ive got some 6 gauge solid copper wire, and will be attempting a Youtube type antenna with design and material improvements gleaned from the How to Build a UHF Antenna thread.

Probably 9" or 9 1/2" whiskers and bowtie spacing on center.

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DT5000 Luxtronic 25dB Gain UHF/VHF/FM High Performance Amplified Indoor Antenna, sold for $8.97 at Easy Street Electronics, appears to be a clone of the C. Crane Cornet Indoor Antenna, sold by C.Crane for $29.97.

It is possible that the internal electronic circuitry on the "name brand" antenna meets higher specifications than the "off-brand" unit. The resemblance certainly is striking, though. Incidentally: if you are contemplating buying one from Easy Street Electronics, the lowest-cost shipping to my ZIP code (UPS Ground) is quoted as $8.07 plus a "materials" fee of $2.50. This is $19.54 plus tax. C. Crane quoted the lowest-cost UPS Ground Shipping at $6.95 (excluding tax), no "materials" fee.
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Im gonna run this shootout soon with the Zenith. And then take many of these up to my brothers and do something similar there.


Philips MANT950, Terk TV-3, GE Optima Amplified on the way.

Ill do a mini Stick Antenna combo review when I get them. Ill also go over to my friends land, and check out the Winegard Sensar and found out which model it is, and add that in, as well.

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I retested the Youtube I built to Video specifications with Coat Hangers, and it was right about with the RCA ANT1500.

Ill be disassembling it, to use the hardware on my improved version.

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EscapeVelocity, since you published this the RS 15-1880 that once went for $40 on E-bay now goes for $80+shipping!

You think I had something to do with that?

I tested the RS 1880 with the Zenith 901.

It picked up all of my stations at the Green(OK)/Blue(Good) demarcation line....many way above. It also hesitated on a channel scan at channel 15, 17, 19, 23, 27, 30, 31, 39, and 42, all of which were showing signal at just below the Red(Bad)/Green(OK) demarcation line.

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The Picture Frame Antenna is definitely attractive though expectations are high given it isn't particularly inexpensive. I'm really surprised at the relative slippage of the ANT1500 in your tests.

FYI, have you had any experience connecting two (non-amplified) Silver Sensors together, for situations where primary transmitters are in different directions? How should they be connected? Also, have you reviewed the Philips PHDTV3 (powered SS)?

From glancing thoroughly at the Zenith DTT900 and 901 CECB threads, it seems the "signal strength" labeling is incorrect, it's really a "signal quality" meter showing the overall quality of ATSC digital information being received. In suburban environments with multipath problems and medium-to-strong signal levels, a "signal quality" meter can be helpful when aiming a hyper-directional aerial such as the Antiference Silver Sensor design (licenced to Philips, Zenith and other vendors in the U.S.)

No I havent ganged 2 Silver Sensors. I wouldnt know how really. But it seems like a possibility.

I havent checked out the PHDTV3 Amped Silver Sensor yet, but I plan on doing so.

Signal Quality Meter, makes sense...yeah. Whitis was on about that.

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Antenna (radio) topic on Wikipedia
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I believe "TS-1538B - HI-TECH UHF/VHF/FM BOOSTER ANTENNA" (from the site below) is a Chinese/Taiwanese copy of the legendary RS 15-1880 and should be cheaper than the E-bay $80+SH. However, it would be a challenge to locate stores that sell these replicates, and those stores normally do not have online shopping setup.
http://www.trisonic.com/cat_view.asp?catID=2&viewid=1

It will be fun to search for stores carrying these Trisonic antennas. There isn't a searchable directory of "factory authorized Trisonic resellers".
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I believe "TS-1538B - HI-TECH UHF/VHF/FM BOOSTER ANTENNA" (from the site below) is a Chinese/Taiwanese copy of the legendary RS 15-1880 and should be cheaper than the E-bay $80+SH. However, it would be a challenge to locate stores that sell these replicates, and those stores normally do not have online shopping setup.

http://www.trisonic.com/cat_view.asp?catID=2&viewid=1

From the dimensions given on Trisonic's catalogue page 83 (see below), it appears that the closer approximation to the 15-1880 would be the models TS-1581 (unamplified) or TS-1581B (amped).

The dimensions of the Radio Shack 15-880, specified in the 15-1880 manual, are 11.5" wide by 4.33" deep; the 15-1880's height is specified only with rabbit ears fully extended, and nominally is 38.25". The (rounded rectangular) reflecting screen of the 15-880 appears to determine the width. The width of the Trisonic TS-1581 (with a rounder reflecting screen) is shown in the attachment as 11", while the width of the Trisonic's TS-1538B is shown as only 8.5".
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GE Infinity "Hammacher Schlemmer" Special came in today....cant say that Im expecting much out of this one....and it is smaller than I imagined from the pics.

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Antenna (radio) topic on Wikipedia

Ive been shamelessly promoting the thread again.

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GE Infinity "Hammacher Schlemmer" Special came in today....cant say that Im expecting much out of this one....and it is smaller than I imagined from the pics.

Many of us expect disappointment. I wonder if the Hammacher Schlemmer's description of "The Best Indoor Television Antenna" is purely marketing hype, or if objective measurements may show it's actually a strong performer:
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In tests conducted by the Hammacher Schlemmer Institute, this indoor television antenna proved to be the best for providing clear channel reception with minimal image ghosting. Tested in urban, suburban, and rural environments, the antenna receives UHF, VHF, and local high-definition broadcasts (requires an HD-ready TV to receive HD signals)

There's no indication which other antennas were tested.
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During tests, it received four more channels with good reception than the nearest model.....

Give this unit a good thorough test; HS is making some pretty strong claims here.
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Works best in unobstructed environments

Good advice for most indoor TV antennas. I'd really like to be surprised and find out this is an exceptional aerial, but we've been disappointed before.
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Article documenting rigorous comparison tests, "Best Indoor Aerials". Most of the high-rated aerial brands - Telecam, One For All, Mercury, Maxview, Philex - are not sold in the United States, and Britain uses a different digital TV standard than ATSC.

Test results for 44 aerials.
Antiference Silver Sensor SS-100 scored right in the middle of the group with a 55% performance score.
The Unbranded 6463A aerial (which strongly resembles the former Radio Shack 15-1862 and 15-1880) scores slightly above the middle with a 60% performance score.
The Philips SDV4240/05 resembles the US-spec MANT510 and earns a healthy 80% score.
The very low-cost Telecam TCE2000, a highly-directional non amplified antenna won the contest at a strong 85% performance score:
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Directional aerial that scored best for house trials. Technical performance good. Good value for money.

Although Amazon UK offers many of these aerials, Amazon UK does not ship electronics outside of the United Kingdom.
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Radio Shack 15-1634 Omni-Directional
Had my first chance to go through your guide today, and thought you might appreciate more information on this model. I believe AntennaCraft also sells this as the OmniState, as the plastic housing and dimensions are identical for both models, and what few specs RS puts out for this model match up with the OmniState as well. AntennaCraft posted comprehensive specs for their version, which I've attached below.

We've been using a 'predecessor' model, the 15-1624, for eight years, mounted in the attic. It's worked reasonably well for analog out to about 30 miles (Denver OTA majors are 23 miles away from us). As its AntennaCraft name implies, however, it's multi-directional, and so it isn't the best choice for DTV reception (particularly in the attic).

 

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This may be sacrilege and slightly OT to bring up in this thread, but how do the simple VHF/UHF antennas like the RCA ANT110 or the Philips SVD2210/17 do with ANALOG signals? My CECB coupon does not come in till mid August, so I want to get an antenna this weekend so that I can punt my Comcast cable right away instead of incurring another month's cable charges. I am sure I can live through a month of moderate snow - as I said earlier in the thread, I live in Beaverton OR on the 4th floor of a condo complex and all the TV towers are on a hill less than 5 miles away in LOS from my living room.
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Which has nothing to do with antennas.

Antennas are designed to resonant on a frequency regardless of the modulation type.

That is correct with regards to 8VSB and DVB-T. However Europe uses vertical wave transmissions and the US uses horizontal....from what I understand. Thus you will see the Telecam log periodic style antenna(Silver Sensor style) is in the vertical position. They both use more or less the same spectrum for broadcast, FWIU.

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Scrumhalf, VHF and UHF waves are VHF and UHF waves. They should do fine.

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Here's the tale of my three indoor antennas, an Eagle Aspen 2 bay (fan dipole) bowtie, a Philips PHDTV3 Amplified Silver Sensor and a Winegard SharpShooter SS-3000. First of all it's possible to receive up to 10 digital (8 local) stations at my location. Six of the stations are to the northeast, labeled yellow or green by antennaweb and are easy to receive at least on the second floor with any one of the three antennas. One local station is a little further away, more to the East, weaker (a little over a third of maximum power) and has at least slight multipath judging by antennaweb's red label but I really don't have much trouble receiving it. The last local station is even farther away but still only about 16 miles to the southeast. However as antennaweb's blue labeling suggests an outdoor directional antenna is actually the answer for dealing with a very real multipath problem here. Of the three indoor antennas the Silver Sensor if very carefully pointed gives the most stable reception of this channel but will then lose stable reception of some of the other channels. The Philips PHDTV3 Amplified Silver Sensor is not the antenna for those who only want to adjust an antenna once and not fuss. Finally I often receive two more distant stations from other cities, one about 50 miles to the east and another about 55 miles to the northwest with either the 2 bay or amplified Silver Sensor. The SharpShooter just doesn't have the range but is a nice antenna if your stations aren't too far away and don't suffer from too much multipath. I can only judge high VHF performance based on analog reception at the present time and of these three antennas the Silver Sensor's rabbit ears probably are best, the SharpShooter second and the 2 bay last.
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Bad reception day. The GE Infinity and New Youtube Quad Bowtie reviews will have to wait.

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