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I think its also VHF Hi, if Im reading it right. AntennasDirect are claiming entire DTV spectrum which includes VHF Hi, and also Military Antenna Array Technology like the Winegard SquareShooters which also do VHF Hi, decently.

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How to get more out of Rabbit Ears

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Just thought I'd mention, too, that for un-amped, traditional-style VHF rabbit ears/UHF loop models, Radio Shack's have always been very good.

Usually better than the Walmart RCA/Philips ones.

Thanks for the tip Rammit. I checked Radio Shacks website and they are selling Philips and Jensen(owned by the parent company of RCA, namely Thompson) antenna assortments. Only one basic RS RE&Loop (and the 1868 and UFO and Clasic Single Bowtie models which I have in the guide already), and the 1878 model which Im not a big fan of.

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The Philips SDV 2210/17 is one inexpensive antenna I've been testing out. Retailers sell it for under $15 ($10 at Wal*Mart). In my suburban location, performance was pretty decent but not quite enough to be my "antenna of choice". This non-amplified aerial features a "UHF flat panel" and a multi-position fine tuning device. The attached cable is pretty thin, but the overall assembly quality is pretty good. Appearance is quite elegant. Not quite as sensitive on UHF as the RCA ANT-110, and not as stable as the amplified Philips MANT510, but possibly a good choice for your location.

One other great feature: this antenna has a fairly wide base, making it less prone to tipping when you put it up on top of a 7-foot-high Ikea bookshelf The 5-foot connecting cable is similar to that used for a wired mouse, it is competent but not as thick or extremely insulated as the quad RG-6 cable I use with my MANT510.
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Seatac, can I quote you on the front page? I already did, but didnt name you, thought Id ask first. Id like to credit you for the quote.



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Will the Philips Silver Sensor Work?

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Seatac, can I quote you on the front page? I already did, but didnt name you, thought Id ask first. Id like to credit you for the quote.

Marking this thread here.

Will the Philips Silver Sensor Work?

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Yes. I recently tried the Silver Sensor PHDTV1 again, and took it back to the store. It did a couple of channels really well...but where I live, local TV stations are situated 12 to 23 miles away in five different directions. I really wanted to have the Silver Sensor be the solution - it's an incredibly logical design, but for my residence, it isn't. The risk of tipping over was a real concern, particularly since my two CECBs are propped on top of loudspeakers and could be yanked down to the floor when the Silver Sensor fell.

I will say my second attempt using the Silver Sensor, the fit and finish were somewhat better than the first sample.

P.S. When I first picked up a $9.99 TriQuest Model 8040 Amplified Indoor Antenna at Big Lots, it seemed promising, but the unit really isn't competitive in terms of resistance to interference, signal fade, and multipath. I might send a picture for anyone who's really interested - again, it MIGHT work at your location, but once the novelty wore off of getting a new amplified antenna for $10, it was a disappointment.
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Im thinking about listing the GE Optima at least in the "Considering Slot." What do you think about that one?

Ive never actually seen a Silver Sensor personally, is the bottom stand part hollowed out. If so you might can shove clay in it, to stabilize it.

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The Philips SDV 2210/17 is one inexpensive antenna I've been testing out. Retailers sell it for under $15 ($10 at Wal*Mart). In my suburban location, performance was pretty decent but not quite enough to be my "antenna of choice". This non-amplified aerial features a "UHF flat panel" and a multi-position fine tuning device.

What does the "multi-position fine tuning device" actually DO? I see some other antennae which have this feature but none of the web sites really describe what they do.
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I think it tweaks the antenna or a small electronic circuit/filter to adjust for VSWR interference, dont know how.

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When I first picked up a $9.99 TriQuest Model 8040 Amplified Indoor Antenna at Big Lots, it seemed promising, but the unit really isn't competitive in terms of resistance to interference, signal fade, and multipath. I might send a picture for anyone who's really interested - again, it MIGHT work at your location, but once the novelty wore off of getting a new amplified antenna for $10, it was a disappointment.

Yeah, I tried that one too. Actually, it worked pretty well for me. It didn't get all of the stations in my area, but it did much better than I expected for a $10 antenna. It wouldn't be my antenna of choice, but for someone on a tight budget, it might be perfect.
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RCA's ANT110 is one of the nicer surprises I've bought. This could be one of the better indoor antennas, though it is deceptively simple looking. Fry's sells it for $6.99. Note that the ANT110 sold at Fry's includes an integrated 5 foot (1.5 metre) coax connecting cable and 75-ohm connector.

VHF dipoles stretch out to 39", the integrated UHF loop is about 5" in diameter. The antenna stand is properly weighted and stable. This antenna brought in good signal strength levels - in some cases VERY healthy strength.

Over time, I did find one of my favorite channels (UHF 39 which is remapped to 7.1 and 7.2) that the large silver UHF loop was somewhat more prone to interference from nearby aircraft or even from nearby pedestrians than I'd have preferred. Interestingly, for fun I plugged it in to my TV's analog inputs and the analog OTA reception (which is truly miserable at my home) was significantly better than with other aerials.

RCA makes a similar unit, the ANT111, which sells for about three dollars more than the ANT110 and is sold at a greater variety of retailers (Wal*Mart, Best Buy come to mind). I also bought one of these, my Dad is still enjoying it. The UHF aerial is a smaller rectangle, it felt a bit lighter weight but was a decent performer.
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Im thinking about listing the GE Optima at least in the "Considering Slot." What do you think about that one?

Ive never actually seen a Silver Sensor personally, is the bottom stand part hollowed out. If so you might can shove clay in it, to stabilize it.

I'd like to know if others have had experience with the GE Optima. I no longer am using mine; I think at its price point, it really would have been much better with detachable cables. The permanently-attached cables on the $30 GE Optima were not any better quality than on the Philips $10 SDV2210/17.
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I've been really curious about the GE 24775 Quantum Indoor HDTV Antenna. It has one glowing review on Amazon, but that's not much to go on. It looks like an interesting design. I've never seen an antenna with only one dipole before, so I would be a little apprehensive about trying it. Anyone have any experience with this one?
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bad link rick

I was checking that one out too. Bit of a mystery.

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bad link rick

Yeah, I finally just got rid of the link. The editor kept replacing part of the URL with asterisks, so I'm not sure what that's about. Anyway, you can find it on Amazon. There hasn't been any buzz about it, so I'm guessing it's an expensive paper weight like a lot of the new fangled ones. It often seems like the more high-tech and expensive things get, the less useful they are.
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I think references to it and the-bay are frowned upon by the forum owners.

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Seatac, Rick, deltaguy, Rammit, and all.....

Anybody know whether a thinner or thicker loop in a basic rabbit ear and loop is better, or how it affects the reception through the spectrum and strength of signal, etc? How about a bigger vs smaller loop?

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Heres a better answer mattack.

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Many indoor antennas have a rotary switch on them that you must set each time you change channels. This switch improves the match between the antenna and the feedline. When effective, it makes the net gain as good as the raw gain. But in some cases it is mainly for the VHF channels and does a poor job on UHF. (There is no way to tell before you buy.) A UHF-only antenna with a tuner is a good buy. You may find you can tune it to your weakest station and forget about it.

and more on loops....

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The 7.5” loop is representative of a large class of indoor antennas built around a loop or something similar. These may include units with amplifiers or switched “tuning circuits”, and frequently VHF rabbit ears are included.

Simple loops

If this is all you need, great! Some simple improvements are possible :
You can add three feet of twin-lead (300 ohm ribbon cable) to it. This will get it away from the body of the TV set and allow you to rotate it. But twin-lead must always be kept one inch from anything metal and must not touch any substantial thing that is plastic.
You can rescale the loop for your weakest channel. Use this formula : dia=4537/(6*N+389) where N is the channel number (14-69). (Plugging 36 into this formula will give you 7.5. Multiply that by 3.141 to get the total wire length.) 12 or 14 gauge copper wire is fine. Remove any thick insulation.
Higher gain is possible with a double-loop (J2 on the gain graphs). However it has a narrower bandwidth. This “figure-8” antenna should look like two tangent circles, one above the other, fed at the bottom. Keep the wires a quarter inch apart at the crossover point. This formula gives the diameter of each circle : dia=4244/(6*N+389) Multiply this by 6.283 to get the total wire length.

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I have one set of 30+ year old rabbit ears still in service. I can get S.F. and San Jose analogs with them. The UHF loop (bowtie) is currently MIA, but I remember it as being larger than the ones Radio Shack sells today.
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Thanks for the tip Rammit. I checked Radio Shacks website and they are selling Philips and Jensen(owned by the parent company of RCA, namely Thompson) antenna assortments. Only one basic RS RE&Loop (and the 1868 and UFO and Clasic Single Bowtie models which I have in the guide already), and the 1878 model which Im not a big fan of.

I guess they don't make many of their own anymore, and just sell more of the other brands now.
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Seatac, Rick, deltaguy, Rammit, and all.....

Anybody know whether a thinner or thicker loop in a basic rabbit ear and loop is better, or how it affects the reception through the spectrum and strength of signal, etc? How about a bigger vs smaller loop?

Ones with thicker rabbit ears seemed to work better for me, although I'm not enough of an engineer to know why.

Not sure about the bigger vs smaller traditional UHF loop, but I would think if it's too small, it probably wouldn't work as good.

The ones I could never figure out, and they get pretty good reviews, are those little solidly-encased, rectangular, powered UHF models. I know that at least Radio Shack and Philips makes them.

(edit: the Radio Shack is the DA-5200.)
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Probably going to be adding the Philips 940 to the list. Is that Radio Shack one pretty good?

Know anything about the RCA ANT537?

Im largely skeptical of these style antennas.

Perhaps the Antennas Direct Lacrosse and Lacrosse Micron too.

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Probably going to be adding the Philips 940 to the list. Is that Radio Shack one pretty good?

All the reviews about both that I've ever read are mostly positive, and I know there have been a few people here that have had some satisfactory results with them.

Never tried one personally, though.

Don't really know anything about any of the others one way or the other. But if I've never heard anything about them from anyone here in the past I just figure they're not anything much worth mentioning.

I usually won't just go by the store reviews, because we all know how they tend to "pick and choose" those.
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Ive never actually seen a Silver Sensor personally, is the bottom stand part hollowed out. If so you might can shove clay in it, to stabilize it.

The Silver Sensor has a metal plate at the base that gives it some weight at the bottom, but it is hallow so you could insert an added weight item for more stability. I've used one for 2 years here in Honolulu and it works well, it helps that only the FOX station here is on VHF( Ch. 8), but can't lock on to the NBC station that transmits 17mi. west of my locale. But I'm not the only one with that problem, even Dish and Directv can't maintain the signal at it's Honolulu POP.
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I usually won't just go by the store reviews, because we all know how they tend to "pick and choose" those.

Me neither, I agree.



edit: Added expanded comments on Channel Master 4220 and 4221, Silver Sensor and RCA ANT110 and ANT110. Added Philips MANT940, Radio Shack DA-5200, and GE Optima to the "under consideration" list. Moved Samsung to Discontinued slot. Moved RCA1020 to "under consideration list."

I eyeballed a CM4220 today. It is quite a bit larger than the DB2. Speaking of the DB2, who is the primary manufacturer/brand of that antenna, Terrestial Digital or AntennasDirect?

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Anybody have any experience with the Channel Master lineup of indoor antennas?

http://www.channelmasterintl.com/antennas_indoor.html


This one looks interesting....

CM 4040


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I bet those Channel Masters have good build, fit, and finish....as well as a quality low noise amplifier in the amplified 4030 model.

Im putting them on the "consideration list."

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This one looks interesting....CM 4040

I've never tried Channel Master but have certainly heard of them by reputation. They have been known for building quality antennas for decades. I would be curious to know how this one compares to the venerable Silver Sensor.

It was kind of odd though. The page where the antennas were listed showed six antennas, but if you go to their online store, only three of them are actually available for purchase.
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I noticed that too. Id like to get one to test out.

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