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post #181 of 3319 Old 06-22-2008, 12:09 PM - Thread Starter
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Sage advice from KenH.

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Others will reply, but check the 'stuck' topics at the top of the forum. Lots of info on selecting an antenna.

In general:
Outdoors is better than indoors.
Bigger is better than smaller.
Directional is better than omnidirectional.
Mounting higher is better than mounting lower.


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That RS UFO is like a Smart Antenna but without the tuner control interface.

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Dollar General had one RCA ANT110 on the shelf, $5.

Target had the PHDTV3 Amped Silver Sensor as their top model and the Philips MANT110 as their lowest priced model.

Best Buy had the RCA ANT111 as their lowest modela and the Terk HDTVa as their top model.

Seatacboy, could you try the Philips MANT110, and compare it to the basic RCA's? The loop doesnt "come together," but attaches on each side of the stand. I wonder if that is a help(making the loop bigger), or a hindrance.


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Looks like youve lost your nacelles/warp drives.

No, I think the unit pictured above is castrated; my ship has "extendable" warp drives. And this thing is fairly large....works so well, I don't care about its size.

"I knew you'd say that"...*BLAM!*
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Yeah, the Radio Shack 15-1892 has extendable rabbit ears attached to the back--so it isn't "UHF only." 'Course, it isn't giving VHF any help either.

Saw one at the local Radio Shack and was impressed with its size and stature. It totally looks like the Starship Enterprise (my girlfriend called it that without me prompting her!).
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Corrected on the front page. Thanks guys.

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Thinking about adding teh Terk TV-55, Philips MANT950, and RCA ANT701, all similar designs, with good VHF Hi performance. These may be good solutions for those with VHF Hi coming their way, like seatacboy. And although the UHF performance is not top notch, people relatively close to the towers perhaps can get by.

What do you think about that?

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Marking this here.

How do UHF loops antennas work?

http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?p=503028


TELEVISION UHF LOOP ANTENNA

http://www.surplusshed.com/pages/item/r3077.html

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Tested 3 units quickly tonight. RCA ANT1500, RS DA-5200, Philips MANT940

Heavy rain and storms just passed a couple of hours ago, overcast now. None of these antennas picked up everything solid at my extremely difficult location, but they all surpassed the MANT510, the RCA unamplified, just barely.

Early impressions of the RCA ANT1500 are pretty positive with one big negative, the coax is permanently attached, meaning you have to use a female to female connector to lengthen it, instead of just substituting a longer coax cable. Also the cable is white, I dont care for that much either. Before I bought this, I thought this unit was internally amplified, but it is not. However its large size pays off and it shows. Picked up my PBS at 23 miles clean with no dropouts/pixelation, this station has 2 subchannels, all good. Acknowledged all stations but only locked video on my strongest channel at 45 miles with moderate dropouts. UHF analog was impressive as well, I have a couple of UHF analogs that I pick up from other markets , not just duplicates of the digitals I receive, and it brought those in impressively clear, including channel 11 VHF Hi analog, which is 100 miles South in Savannah GA at 316kw. Hooked up RS-5200 amp and that combo beat everything I checked out tonight, brought in my weakest 2 channels with moderate dropouts. Comes with a little guide and a nice stainless steel bar that slips into the back of the unit to make a stand. Mounting options are nice, with 2 vertical screw/nail head mount holes, as well as the stand and also bumps in the plastic in the backside for laying flat. Very lightweight.

RS DA-5200 impressions are very positive. This is the smallest of the 3. Great simple one piece articulating arm design, solid versatile mounting system with quality hefty steel and ABS plastic materials. Pretty strong high quality off board in-line amplifier. Even came with screws and wall anchors, 20ft of or so decent coax and a nice little folded guide. The antenna box itself is small and light, and didnt do much without its amplifier. With it's amp, it swept the field of 3(excepting for when I attached this units amp to the RCA ANT1500), bringing in my 2 weakest stations at 45 miles with heavy dropouts. Strong UHF analog performance, also.

Philips MANT940's mounting system while a bit more complicated than the RS DA-5200 (3 pieces not including the antenna box) is versatile and very usable, however it didnt have the heft or simplicity of the RS DA-5200 unit, and it is tough plastic. It came with the longest run of coax, and good instruction booklet, pretty good accessory kit like the RS 5200. Its amplifier was not as strong, or perhaps just a good bit more noisy(probably both) as the RS unit's amp, Its performance was non existent without an amplifier(23 mile PBS station), and with its amplifier, it came in second above the unamped RCA unit for digital picking up a couple of 45 mile stations, but came in third for analog UHF with really dismal analog UHF performance compared to the other 2.

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Very helpful info, EV. Thanks.
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I would say that the RS DA-5200 beat the unamplified DB2, but the unamplified DB2 beat the other 2, at the same location.

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Hmmm . . . I may give the RS DA-5200 a test run myself! Do you think I would be able to mount it on my pole? Also, how much does it weigh? Very heavy?
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BTW golinux, I edited the big post for clarity and added a few things, you may want to read it again.

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Hmmm . . . I may give the RS DA-5200 a test run myself! Do you think I would be able to mount it on my pole? Also, how much does it weigh? Very heavy?

For a temporary mount to test, yes. The box itself is featherweight, the one piece articulating mount is solid and weighs a pound or 2. I was really impressed with this mount.

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For a temporary mount to test, yes. The box itself is featherweight, the one piece articulating mount is solid and weighs a pound or 2.

I'm gonna call RS right now and see if they have it in stock.
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Let us know how it goes. Id be very interested in a comparison with your current system.

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Just ordered a Winegard 4400, Channel Master 4220, Channel Master 4030, and 2 PICO UVSJ Combiner/Seperator 's from Solid Signal.

I think very highly of the unamplified RCA ANT1500, bit pricey at $50, but at $30, I think its stylish low profile design and excellent performance make it a viable good choice for those whom unamped rabbit ears and loop are the best solution because of amp overloading on strong nearby channels.

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Performance rankings so far. This does not mean that the top is necessarily the best solution for you. It is primarily a distance performance measure. Some may need omni directional ability or unamplified units, and directional and amplified units do better in general for distance. Some of these are too close to call, this is just a good rough guide.

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My First Attempt at the Coat Hanger Antenna, Youtube Video Specifications.... amped
RCA ANT1500
Philips MANT 510
RS 1868 Delta
My First Attempt at the Coat Hanger Antenna, Youtube Video Specifications
Jensen TV-931
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Im using the RS DA-5200 amplifier to amp non amplified units. Id rather leave the Channel Master Titan 7777 in place.

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Let us know how it goes. Id be very interested in a comparison with your current system.

Bummer. The RS DA-5200 is out-of-stock. I signed up for email notification when it is available.
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You could call another RS out of town and get them to ship it.




The RS 1868 came in today. Pretty impressed with it so far. The fine tuning adjustment knob helps out. Work some comments up on it later.

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Just ordered a Winegard 4400, Channel Master 4220, Channel Master 4030, and 2 PICO UVSJ Combiner/Seperator 's from Solid Signal.

I think very highly of the unamplified RCA ANT1500, bit pricey at $50, but at $30, I think its stylish low profile design and excellent performance make it a viable good choice for those whom unamped rabbit ears are the best solution because of amp overloading on strong nearby channels.



Would certainly be interested to know the results of the Winegard 4400 test.
Im looking at this antenna with a CM pre amp to go on the roof.

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You could call another RS out of town and get them to ship it.

Thanks. What a great idea and it worked! Should be here by Friday.

And some interesting testing results . . . I just experimented with the DB2 unamplified vs amplified. I could not pull in ANY unamplified analog signal but the unamplified signal connected to the Zentih DTT900 brought in every digital channel at almost the same strength as with the 22db amp. That really surprised me. The amp makes a real difference on the two weaker stations. Stronger stations wouldn't need it at all.
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Would also like to know the comparative results of the RS 15-1892.
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Here is the location. It may help others vizualize the issues.

The first picture shows the TV Room, a lot of the testing of table top models is being done on the Oppo 970 to the right of the Vizio GV42LF, and in the immediate corner windows.



The second picture shows the North facing view in which the Charleston towers are located at 45 miles tightly clustered within 2 degrees. The gap in the trees is just slightly West of a perfect shot at the towers.



The third picture shows the Western view behind the Vizio. Southwest is where my alternate PBS station at 23 miles is located. Yes that is a huge oak tree, blocking my window of opportunity.


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Edited and/or added comments on MANT510, RS 1868 Delta, Winegard SS-3000, Coat Hanger Antenna, RS DA-5200, RS 1892 UFO, Terk HDTVi and HDTVa. Moved Jensen TV-931 back to The Dugout and Picture Frame Antenna to the Batter's Circle. Moved RCA ANT1500 to the UHF Flat Panel Array category. Added Terk TV-55 to The Dugout.

Question:

Should I move the Philips MANT510 to the Flat Panel Array category? Should I pry open the RCA ANT1500, RS DA-5200 and Philips MANT940 to see what is in there to categorize it properly?

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Would also like to know the comparative results of the RS 15-1892.

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Moved RCA ANT1500 to the UHF Flat Panel Array category.

Extra emphasis on UHF there.  Although its box says it "supports" both VHF and UHF, my experiences when I got home with it were otherwise.  Its function declined rapidly with the channel number when I went below 14.  It's going back to the store next time I am near there.
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I dont know dattier, I had good success with the RCA ANT1500 on Channel 11 analog which is located 100 miles South in Savannah, GA broadcasting at 316kw.

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Here is a pic of the tiny DB2 (pointed North-East at the Charleston tower cluster at 45 miles) mounted on the chimney between the giant tin roof reflector and the giant oak tree.

EDIT: Sorry about the pic, the DB2 is barely visible just to the left of center on the chimney breaking the roofline. Ill take a better pic and post it below. Its a good pic to get your evironmental bearings of the location though.



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