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hi fpemiller - sorry for delayed response... the e95 finally did find itself again... it would seem that during this period of time, something was up because my mits 46244 w/ tvguid daily had also lost the schedule for a couple of days... ultimately, both the mits and panasonic locked up once again on the local PBS ch 10 analog feed through cox cable...rg
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TVGOS needs to take control of it's CE device (that it's built into) in order to extract a channel map. It tells the device to scan through all the channels it knows about (that were scanned by the device or that get mapped by a cablecard) and monitors each channel for a period of time while it harvests info like station, channel#, etc.

I have a slightly different take on the process of acquiring a channel lineup. I agree with you that the recorder needs to be turned off and the TVGOS software takes control to create the channel lineup, but I don't believe that this is done by scanning through the channels for the following reasons. My channel lineup includes many channels that my recorder doesn't receive, including cable channels (I am OTA only). My channel lineup also includes channels that are local to me and I could receive if I rotated my antenna, but are not currently scanned into my recorder's channel memory (i.e. they are not included in the CH +/- List and if I tune to them with the remote the recorder displays No Signal).

I believe that the recorder gets its channel lineup from information included in the download based upon the host channel Station ID. This explains why I have different channel lineups (including different numbers of channels in the lineup) when my two recorders have different host channels that are in different geographical areas. It also explains why you can't get a channel lineup without a host channel even if you are getting TVGOS data and have a correctly set clock. I think that there is a list embedded in the download for each station ID that specifies which channels are in that station's reception area (both OTA and cable) and the state (on or off) of each channel in the channel lineup.
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Not at all. As far as the TVGOS, which is what this thread's about, the EH55 uses the V9 guide, while the EH50 uses V7. There's a big enough difference in the ways they are designed and integrated (V8 and V9 not so much).

There are many scattered threads on older, V7 models, such as the E85H. You should probably be reading those, too, at least, if you're not already.

They're pretty scattered. There's the occasional "I'm have X problem with EH50" threads as well. The Eh55 seems to be more active and it's useful to know what kinds of issues are being discussed. It's certainly served as a consistent starting point for info and issues I've encountered over the 5 years I've had the eh50.
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I have a slightly different take on the process of acquiring a channel lineup. I agree with you that the recorder needs to be turned off and the TVGOS software takes control to create the channel lineup, but I don't believe that this is done by scanning through the channels for the following reasons. My channel lineup includes many channels that my recorder doesn't receive, including cable channels (I am OTA only). My channel lineup also includes channels that are local to me and I could receive if I rotated my antenna, but are not currently scanned into my recorder's channel memory (i.e. they are not included in the CH +/- List and if I tune to them with the remote the recorder displays No Signal).

I believe that the recorder gets its channel lineup from information included in the download based upon the host channel Station ID. This explains why I have different channel lineups (including different numbers of channels in the lineup) when my two recorders have different host channels that are in different geographical areas. It also explains why you can't get a channel lineup without a host channel even if you are getting TVGOS data and have a correctly set clock. I think that there is a list embedded in the download for each station ID that specifies which channels are in that station's reception area (both OTA and cable) and the state (on or off) of each channel in the channel lineup.

I was stating for the benefit of those who have reset and haven't powered off yet, that they need to power it off for TVGOS to take control and do it's channel scanning to build it's channel map and find TVGOS stations. It also has to correlate the downloaded timezone, zipcode, station & lineup packets before it asks you to select a lineup.
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rkg22, Yes I was surprised when it came back after that last 3 day outage a few weeks ago, that the data was being TRX'd over COX's system on ch 10. Based on some of the trouble other people were having with their respective cable companies stripping out the signal. I also use a cable card in my Sony unit, so I was glad to see it pass through that also. Although I'm not too worried as I can get CBS OTA from my location as a back up.
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rkg22, Yes I was surprised when it came back after that last 3 day outage a few weeks ago, that the data was being TRX'd over COX's system on ch 10. Based on some of the trouble other people were having with their respective cable companies stripping out the signal. I also use a cable card in my Sony unit, so I was glad to see it pass through that also. Although I'm not too worried as I can get CBS OTA from my location as a back up.
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Do both you and rkg22 get your analog PBS on COX cable channel 10? That's definitely different than my area (COMCAST-Sacramento) where they put the true analog PBS (channel 6) on cable channel 90 and digital (SD) PBS on cable channel 6, although our PBS analog quit broadcasting analog TVGOS a week ago and does not broadcast digital TVGOS at all.
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Since I posted this in the Sony DHG thread and it applies to more than just the Sony DHG recorders, I'll post the same here.

UTC DLID MIN TYPE D/A StID Qual Version Flags
0531-0621 81 50 3 A 2554 & 2712 6 100 0xE0
0626-0726 27 60 4 A 2554 & 2712 6 100 0xE0
0731-0821 81 50 3 A 2554 & 2712 6 100 0xE0
0751-0811 81 20 3 D 5844 6 100 0x68
0816-0836 27 20 4 D 5844 6 100 0x68
0826-0926 27 60 4 A 2554 & 2712 6 100 0xE0
0841-0901 81 20 3 D 5844 6 100 0x68
0906-0926 27 20 4 D 5844 6 100 0x68
0931-1001 70 30 2 D 5844 6 100 0xE8
0931-1231 70 180 2 A 2554 & 2712 6 100 0xE8
1006-1106 97 60 6 D 5844 6 100 0x68
1111-1141 70 30 2 D 5844 6 100 0xE8
1146-1246 97 60 6 D 5844 6 100 0x68
1236-1336 27 60 4 A 2554 & 2712 6 100 0xE0
1251-1311 27 20 4 D 5844 6 100 0x68
1316-1346 70 30 2 D 5844 6 100 0xE8
1341-1641 70 180 2 A 2554 & 2712 6 100 0xE8
1351-1451 97 60 6 D 5844 6 100 0x68
1456-1526 70 30 2 D 5844 6 100 0xE8
1531-1631 97 60 6 D 5844 6 100 0x68
1636-1656 81 20 3 D 5844 6 100 0x68
1646-1946 70 180 2 A 2554 & 2712 6 100 0xE8
1701-1731 70 30 2 D 5844 6 100 0xE8
1736-1836 97 60 6 D 5844 6 100 0x68
1841-1911 70 30 2 D 5844 6 100 0xE8
1916-2016 97 60 6 D 5844 6 100 0x68
1951-2041 81 50 3 A 2554 & 2712 6 100 0xE0
2021-2041 81 20 3 D 5844 6 100 0x68
2046-2116 70 30 2 D 5844 6 100 0xE8
2046-2346 70 180 2 A 2554 & 2712 6 100 0xE8
2121-2221 97 60 6 D 5844 6 100 0x68
2226-2256 70 30 2 D 5844 6 100 0xE8
2301-0001 97 60 6 D 5844 6 100 0x68
0006-0026 27 20 4 D 5844 6 100 0x68
0046-0146 27 60 4 A 2554 & 2712 6 100 0xE0

This is from my Mits DLP-RP set w/TVGOS 08.01.71/08.06.44
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Hey, If you have a question about your TVGOS problem, post it here or call/email Macrovision (Gemstar), don't take it out on your TV/DVR/family/pet. Macrovision, the cable co's and the TV stations are quite busy with the sc*****-up digital transition just like we are. We're all concerned about keeping our job, so remember that and just be civil when you contact them and put that customer contact person's job in perspective and you may be surprised to get a civil answer. Just pretend it's you on the other end of your communication and treat them the way you'd want to be treated.
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For reference, I copied this over from the Sony DHG thread since this posting really concerns a Mits LT46246 and not the Sony specifically. My original question as posted in the Sony thread concerned how to run the 9012 command on the Mits..............

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TVGOS ( TV Guide On Screen ) Devices

For V9 Diagnostics, Open TV Guide On Screen, highlight SETUP on the service bar, press ENTER, enter the diagnostic code of 753 159 852 (or any other diagnostic code).

NOTE: For V9 Guide Daily, Bring up TV Guide, press 'Menu' button, highlight first choice, enter the diagnostic code of 753 159 852 (or any other diagnostic code).

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bwall23 -

Thanks for the link, but I had seen that already and it doesn't appear to work for my set (LT-46246) with V9 Guide Daily. The V9 on my set has no service bar, so the first method you mention doesn't work. The second method you note works, but only for the 753159852 diagnostics screens, and you can get to those more quickly by simply selecting the "Diagnostics" choice after you've pressed the Guide/Menu buttons on the remote.



You get to this screen by pressing /Guide/Menu on the remote. You can then get to diagnostics by choosing it, or I found that you can do the 753.... code from here (with Diagnostics highlighted) to get to the diagnostic screen.

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It could be that TVGOS v9 takes different diagnostic codes. Have you tried the above, but keying in the code 971 397 135, this should be the G* Test everyone is talking about. It's also known as "Enter factory test screen".

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I will definitely try that............. but I'll have to wait until the morning. This Mits is on the wall in the bedroom and my WAF has already decided to hit the sack. And she already thinks I'm crazy for forking around with all the TV's and DVR's and stuff every few minutes.......... without ever really watching anything lately.

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Highlight "Change channel lineup" but don't press OK or ENTER.

On your Mits remote, press the following keys one after the other;
9 then 7 then 1 then 3 then 9 then 7 then 1 then 3 then 5 and don't press OK or ENTER. This should start the test screen that looks for VBI and ATSC data.

P.S. As you press the number buttons on your remote, you won't see anything change until you key in the last number.

P.P.S. Where did you find that version 9.1.56?

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Re P.S. ........... Yes, I know.

Re P.P.S. ............ That's the version that came in the TV, which is about 2 months old. Or do you mean where did I see the version number??? It is shown on the diagnostics screens accessed by /Guide/Menu/Diagnostics (or Guide/Menu/753159852).

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Do you know if you have a patch version?
09.01.56/??.??.??/

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09.01.56/00.00.00/00.00.00

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Thanks for that info and sorry to bug you Enjoy your Saturday night

Ok, well it's now Sunday morning............ I tried the 971397135 with "Change Channel Lineup" highlighted. This causes the text "Enter Factory Test Screen" to be displayed in the Info Window near the top of the screen. If I then press ENTER, it simply goes into the normal Change Channel Lineup screen. I've tried pressing a number of other buttons, as well as simply waiting a while, but I haven't stumbled into the actual Factory Test screen itself. Any ideas?

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I don't blame you for not wanting to "force" anything on such an expensive piece of equipment

You can't 'ruin' the unit by doing so. The worst that can happen is you loose your listings for x number of days just as would happen if you change Zip Codes or do a reset.

Nice to see V9 with a "Diagnostics information" tab. Why they didn't do this in the first place is beyond me. That entry is the same as the 753 screens?

WS65711; I usually just highlight the sentence I want and do a quote. I have never used the "Multi Quote" feature. I assume that is how you did the above post?

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Yes, choosing the "Diagnostics Info" selection brings you to the exact same screens as the 753........ command.

The only problem with the way you just highlight the sentence to quote is that it sometimes makes it hard for others to locate the post where the original statement came from.

Yes, I used the multi-quote feature (the first time I've tried this) but what made it extra difficult was that I was transferring the information from one thread to a another thread (this one). I had two instances of IE running and the confusion level was very high............

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I had two instances of IE running and the confusion level was very high.

That was your problem. One is bad enough, but two Idiot Exploiter's running at once?
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Do both you and rkg22 get your analog PBS on COX cable channel 10? That's definitely different than my area (COMCAST-Sacramento) where they put the true analog PBS (channel 6) on cable channel 90 and digital (SD) PBS on cable channel 6, although our PBS analog quit broadcasting analog TVGOS a week ago and does not broadcast digital TVGOS at all.

Here in LAS, COX passes most of the local OTA analog and digital channels straight through to their respective channels when you don't subscribe to their digital system (basic subscription). If you subscribe to their digital system, then things get mixed up a bit. All local HD channels are rebroadcast in the 7## range. So PBS analog (OTA 10) is Cox cable 10 and PBS OTA HD digital (10.1) is on Cox cable 710. Hope this makes sense.

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Ok, well it's now Sunday morning............ I tried the 971397135 with "Change Channel Lineup" highlighted. This causes the text "Enter Factory Test Screen" to be displayed in the Info Window near the top of the screen. If I then press ENTER, it simply goes into the normal Change Channel Lineup screen. I've tried pressing a number of other buttons, as well as simply waiting a while, but I haven't stumbled into the actual Factory Test screen itself. Any ideas?

Nice job on the quoting!
Once you see "Enter Factory Test Screen" displayed, press the INFO button on the remote. If that doesn't work, try highlighting "Diagnostics information" and keying in the code. Another way that works on mine is just entering the code while you're viewing any of the diag screens.
Maybe that test isn't implemented the same way in your Guide Daily. Here's what mine looks like (Mits w/v8.1.71 TVGOS)

Normally (if our CBS digital stations Macrovision/Gemstar inserter was inserting the 127 data) you would see the VBI count incrementing as the test runs.
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Once you see "Enter Factory Test Screen" displayed, press the INFO button on the remote. If that doesn't work, try highlighting "Diagnostics information" and keying in the code. Another way that works on mine is just entering the code while you're viewing any of the diag screens.

Unfortunately, none of these methods seem to work on my Mits. And worse than that, it seems that once the TV has chosen a TVGOS host channel, that is the only channel it will ever look at for TVGOS data for the life of the set. (Well maybe if I do a total system reset on the TV, but then again, maybe not.)

Anyway, it's been over 3 weeks since I've been able to get any TVGOS updates on the V-9.1.56 Mits. All this time, my Sony DHG's continue to update fine (at least for 5-6 days of data). The problem is that Charter cable in my area stopped passing TVGOS data 3 weeks ago. The data is still available OTA, from analog PBS and from digital CBS. The DHG's have switched over and are getting the data from OTA analog PBS. The Mits is stuck on (cable) analog PBS and apparently will not search anywhere else for data. I have tried disabling TVGOS in the setup three times overnight, and then turning it back on the following day. When I turn it back on, the channel lineup is still there, and when I look at diagnostics it still shows analog PBS as the host. Listings show as "pending". They will be "pending" until doomsday if it doesn't go search for a new host.....................

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I'm still fighting with Mits. the latest is macrovision tells them I'm not using the corect Zip Code.
I had to send them screen shots of a G* test showing there are no VBI data packets being received. What does a Zip Code have to do with that??

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My analog PBS stopped transmitting TVGOS a few weeks ago and that's the only analog channel I receive over local comcast (as cable channel 90). Our CBS digital is obviously having trouble as I did a TVGOS system reset a few days ago and although it finally got around to sending my zipcode and determining the timezone after 2.5 days, it hasn't updated the TVGOS software version, got a grid or asked me to choose a lineup. I'm now enjoying my Tivo HD and look at the TVGOS diag screen on my set once a day (more as a curiosity). I will be selling my attached firewire recorder that relied on my Mits TVGOS soon. Anyone interested in an RCA Scenium DVR2080 firewire recorder?
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5 days now since I've reset my TVGOS and it still hasn't picked up a patch version or a lineup selection choice/grid/listings. Appears my local analog PBS is stiill not transmitting TVGOS, local analog ABC is still transmitting B-Type packets and local digital CBS is still transmitting some TVGOS that my digital TVGOS device doesn't recognize. Versions for timezone and download are now up to 148. I'm just glad I bought a backup (Tivo HD working great).
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Its been 15 days now since TVGOS data disappeared from Charter Cable in my area. My three Sony HDD500's (V-8.x TVGOS) continue to work fine, picking up TVGOS data via analog OTA. One HDD500 even lost everything (clock, listings, and lineup) on Thursday due to an electrical storm, but it recovered fully by Friday afternoon. My Mits 46246 (V-9.x TVGOS) has not had TVGOS data over this entire 15 day period. I have tried everything I can think of short of a System Reset of the TV (which I presume will cause it to lose ALL settings) but it still refuses to look anywhere other than cable for a host channel. In fact, I don't think its really looked for a new host channel at all, even though it says it is on the "Display setup progress" screen. The "1:12-0" always continues to show as the host channel. There is no TVGOS data on 1:anything ...........................

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... I have tried everything I can think of short of a System Reset of the TV (which I presume will cause it to lose ALL settings) but it still refuses to look anywhere other than cable for a host channel. In fact, I don't think its really looked for a new host channel at all, even though it says it is on the "Display setup progress" screen. The "1:12-0" always continues to show as the host channel. There is no TVGOS data on 1:anything ...........................

What happens when you manually tune to the Mits to the OTA channel (that works for your Sony HDD's) and run a G* Test... does it Pass?

I'm not familiar with v9, but if it allows you to run the 963214785 test (VBI Search Current Channel), you may want to give that a shot.
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FWIW, The "no listings" problem seems to getting worse on my end. For the past few weeks, all I get by Friday evening when I scan through next weeks shows are listings up to the next Tuesday at best.

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What happens when you manually tune to the Mits to the OTA channel (that works for your Sony HDD's) and run a G* Test... does it Pass?

I'm not familiar with v9, but if it allows you to run the 963214785 test (VBI Search Current Channel), you may want to give that a shot.

I haven't figured out how to run the G*test on the Mits.........
I have one analog (PBS) and one digital (CBS) station OTA that carrys TVGOS data. My DHG's are using the analog OTA station and I have successfully run the G*test to make them pick up data from the digital OTA station a number of times. The Mits however appears to be stuck on cable for TVGOS, but the TVGOS over cable went away in my area a couple of weeks ago, as did the clock signal.

See my post above for additional info........
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I found this somewhere else on this forum. Hope it helps!

 

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My Mits TVGOS (v08.01.71) hasn't picked up new software or a channel lineup since I reset it 6 days ago. Since I finally got a dual-stream Cable Card in my TiVo HD, I gave the single stream card that was in my Mits back to Comcast.

As far as TVGOS on my Mits goes, I'm strictly digital OTA now. Disconnected Comcast cable from the Mits and plugged my OTA UHF antenna in. Setup the Mits for OTA on that input, scanned channels and turned off all analog channels in the Mits channel editor so they cannot be tuned. I then System Reset the TVGOS and set it up from scratch.

I'm not going to play with TVGOS anymore (tune to Host & leave on, do G* Test, etc.). I'll check it once a day to see if it ever gets a lineup.
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ive been trying to get my samsung to get the guide back for 2 weeks now i live in sacramento, i cant even get any packets from the host channels.
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ive been trying to get my samsung to get the guide back for 2 weeks now i live in sacramento, i cant even get any packets from the host channels.

PBS KVIE(6) analog stopped broadcasting TVGOS data. ABC KXTV(10) analog showed Type B packets (ads?) last time I checked (a week ago). CBS KOVR(13) digital is supposed to be our digital host, but it appears Macrovision isn't broadcasting the data we need or it's just coming over REAL SLOW.

If you can do a G* Test on your Samsung, try CBS KOVR 13-1 digital, ABC KXTV 10 analog and PBS KVIE 6 analog to see if you get any packets from any of them.
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PBS KVIE(6) analog stopped broadcasting TVGOS data. ABC KXTV(10) analog showed Type B packets (ads?) last time I checked (a week ago). CBS KOVR(13) digital is supposed to be our digital host, but it appears Macrovision isn't broadcasting the data we need or it's just coming over REAL SLOW.

If you can do a G* Test on your Samsung, try CBS KOVR 13-1 digital, ABC KXTV 10 analog and PBS KVIE 6 analog to see if you get any packets from any of them.


i tried the test on analog 10, digital 13, i tried the pbs digital, all i get for my test is it says i fail all tests but the flash test, and i get the 1023-65533 as the statistics, nothing else changes. i also tried all the tests through comcast and i get nothing with them either.
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i tried the test on analog 10, digital 13, i tried the pbs digital, all i get for my test is it says i fail all tests but the flash test, and i get the 1023-65533 as the statistics, nothing else changes. i also tried all the tests through comcast and i get nothing with them either.

I pass the G* Test (well, I did a week ago) on KOVR-13 digital (13-1), but all it does so far is set the clock.

If you're not familiar with the G* Test and you have TVGOS v8 something, just let it run about a minute and watch the packet counts, ignore the pass/fail on the VBI. If the packet counts increase, that's what counts. If digital v8 or v9, then pass/fail means something.

P.S. It's ANALOG PBS, KVIE-6, physical channel 6, not pbs digital (which would be digital 6-1, physical channel 53).
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I pass the G* Test (well, I did a week ago) on KOVR-13 digital (13-1), but all it does so far is set the clock.

If you're not familiar with the G* Test and you have TVGOS v8 something, just let it run about a minute and watch the packet counts, ignore the pass/fail on the VBI. If the packet counts increase, that's what counts. If digital v8 or v9, then pass/fail means something.

P.S. It's ANALOG PBS, KVIE-6, physical channel 6, not pbs digital (which would be digital 6-1, physical channel 53).

thats probably my problem, i cant tune into channel 6 analog, over the air. i can through comcast, but i get nothing through comcast when i run the test. no packet counts. i do have the original v8, now cause when it went down i unplugged it and tried all kinds of things before i got online to see if i could find a solution. also, my clock is set, but i think it may have set from memory, cause when i look for what channel it set the clock from it says 0-0
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thats probably my problem, i cant tune into channel 6 analog, over the air. i can through comcast, but i get nothing through comcast when i run the test. no packet counts. i do have the original v8, now cause when it went down i unplugged it and tried all kinds of things before i got online to see if i could find a solution. also, my clock is set, but i think it may have set from memory, cause when i look for what channel it set the clock from it says 0-0

I get a very weak, snowy signal on analog 6 (not surprising, since it's low-VHF and I use a rooftop UHF antennae). Comcast re-broadcasts it as the original analog signal on their channel 90 (cablecard or set top box). KVIE-6 analog hasn't been transmitting TVGOS info for about a month now.

Your TVGOS clock is set by any TVGOS host station (to read UTC time), but until you get a correct timezone packet for your zipcode from your host station, it will not set your local time. If you have no local time set, TVGOS will go no further.

P.S. In an all digital setup, I'm getting VBI Slicing packets, but no timezone packets yet. This is after 2 days from a system reset.
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